(03-24-2021 12:15 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 11:07 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  Why JMU doesn't have a BS and MS in Cybersecurity by now (partnering with NSA, CIA, FBI, DIA and all the other alphabet soup agencies given our proximity to those federal agencies, is beyond me).

https://www.jmu.edu/infosec/index.shtml

Quote:JMU is one of only seven original National Centers of Academic Excellence in Information Assurance/Cyber Defense, designed by the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Pretty sure Uncle Ron jumped on some of this in the Rte 66 area in late 80’s, early 90’s. Out Dulles way IIRC.
Remember seeing something about it on a small brick entryway to an ndustrial park I was probably pulling off into to take a pee. “JMU center for computer security” or something like that.

Wondered, WTH is that about? Keeping the VAX system and 5” floppies moving along?!?

Guess things have moved along a bit in the last 30 years...

(03-24-2021 06:55 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 11:22 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 11:02 PM)Anders Wrote:  The grand total:

$823,506 (5053 gifts)

How does that compare to prior years? Anyone know?

Was wondering the same thing, dug up the stats from 2019:
2021 Giving Day:
$823,506 via 5053 gifts
2019 Giving Day:
$1,230,900.53 total dollars raised
5,329 total gifts
5,117 total donors (so not nearly as many repeat donors in the day as I might have guessed)
743 first time donors
4,818 gifts below $250
$2,927 donated by students (244 of them)
47 states and 9 countries represented on giving day

Let’s keep in mind the ‘19! environment and what many have gone through in the last 12 months. Many small businesses and people have been absolutely slaughtered by this.

(03-24-2021 06:46 PM)jmu18 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 02:13 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I think this campaign will finish somewhere around $250M. The first campaign (under Rose) set out with a goal of 100M right? topping 250 is a great goal for the 2nd one. The next one should be a 500M or even 1B goal (JMADDY WANTS TO GO BIG). I'll agree with that take.

The fact remains that our alumni simply don't give back. It sounds easy to capture outgoing students and get them to give low recurring gifts, but think back to your days at JMU and realize that the same response is heard now that you and I gave when we graduated: "JMU got my money", or "they don't need me", or "I don't have that kind of money", or "I need to start my job and build up my savings first". It's tough to get students invested, but it is a priority at JMU. Until JMU can prove to people that their support is needed and actually makes a difference, we're going to stay around that 7-8% figure we keep hearing about. It's improving, but we're not where we could be.

I was looking over the colleges late last night and observed my college - CISE (ISAT) in dead last place for participation AND dollars raised. I wish it were as simple as JMaddy says - get those STEM degrees and high paying jobs going, but the answer just isn't that simple. It may be the youngest college in the group, but I'd expect that college to be competing with and exceeding other colleges, yet it is not. There seems to be lots of potential to improve.

As a fellow CISE graduate, I can say I only give back the minimum contribution to the Duke Club to remain at the Duke level (and didn't even do that this year because of no in person sports). All recent CISE grads I know have not even made it back to campus since graduation a few years ago. I'd say a solid 5% of my friends from JMU still follow JMU sports - unfortunately JMU doesn't have good donation numbers because of our small time sports.

Maybe we'll see some big doners come out of the woodworks once the more recent STEM grads reach exec levels - or maybe we'll see them give back to their grad school.

EDIT - my main point is that recent grads won't donate unless it's for sports reasons. I bet this is the case at schools with a solid doner base as well: recent grads donate small amount to sports, older well established (i.e. wealthy) grads give back not only to athletics, but to individual schools/colleges within the University as well.

Totally spot on.
And I’m not an FBS at any cost guy either.

But, look at the high rollers. The Tx, okies, Bama, Mi, Pn St, ND, even Vippy Sue or the C-vile frenchies etc.
what do they all have in common?

The front porch.

Long past time for lil Ol’ JMU.

Time for a change or things will never change. Tis what it tis.

(03-25-2021 05:08 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 06:46 PM)jmu18 Wrote:  

(03-24-2021 02:13 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I think this campaign will finish somewhere around $250M. The first campaign (under Rose) set out with a goal of 100M right? topping 250 is a great goal for the 2nd one. The next one should be a 500M or even 1B goal (JMADDY WANTS TO GO BIG). I'll agree with that take.

The fact remains that our alumni simply don't give back. It sounds easy to capture outgoing students and get them to give low recurring gifts, but think back to your days at JMU and realize that the same response is heard now that you and I gave when we graduated: "JMU got my money", or "they don't need me", or "I don't have that kind of money", or "I need to start my job and build up my savings first". It's tough to get students invested, but it is a priority at JMU. Until JMU can prove to people that their support is needed and actually makes a difference, we're going to stay around that 7-8% figure we keep hearing about. It's improving, but we're not where we could be.

I was looking over the colleges late last night and observed my college - CISE (ISAT) in dead last place for participation AND dollars raised. I wish it were as simple as JMaddy says - get those STEM degrees and high paying jobs going, but the answer just isn't that simple. It may be the youngest college in the group, but I'd expect that college to be competing with and exceeding other colleges, yet it is not. There seems to be lots of potential to improve.

As a fellow CISE graduate, I can say I only give back the minimum contribution to the Duke Club to remain at the Duke level (and didn't even do that this year because of no in person sports). All recent CISE grads I know have not even made it back to campus since graduation a few years ago. I'd say a solid 5% of my friends from JMU still follow JMU sports - unfortunately JMU doesn't have good donation numbers because of our small time sports.

Maybe we'll see some big doners come out of the woodworks once the more recent STEM grads reach exec levels - or maybe we'll see them give back to their grad school.

EDIT - my main point is that recent grads won't donate unless it's for sports reasons. I bet this is the case at schools with a solid doner base as well: recent grads donate small amount to sports, older well established (i.e. wealthy) grads give back not only to athletics, but to individual schools/colleges within the University as well.

Totally spot on.
And I’m not an FBS at any cost guy either.

But, look at the high rollers. The Tx, okies, Bama, Mi, Pn St, ND, even Vippy Sue or the C-vile frenchies etc.
what do they all have in common?

The front porch.

Long past time for lil Ol’ JMU.

Time for a change or things will never change. Tis what it tis.

I’m looking, and all of your “front porch” examples are P5 schools, most of them flagships, and all boast high-level research profiles and multiple highly respected professional schools in medicine, law and the like.

“Long past time”? Yes, JMU is “long past” the opportunity to become a state flagship or member of a closed P5 conference. So what’s your point?

You’re suggesting the magical reclassification of JMU FB to FBS, joined with a move to a G5 FB conference (which is the only way a move to FBS will happen for JMU), is somehow going to open the pocketbooks of alums and change JMU’s profile to match your example?

I’ll have some of what your drinking.

College athletics often serve as the glue that bonds people to their university/college. Rooting for your team with your friends and classmates makes great memories, promotes lifelong friendships, and inspires unity and philanthropy.

JMU has really only BARELY tapped what athletics could add to the University. We've basically maxxed out what we can get from fan support while in the FCS/CAA.

I don't know what the future answer is, but I do know that status quo is the enemy of progress.

Just tossed out names off the top of my head.

Clearly not the point. But ok.

Go read what ‘18 is saying, it’s been chronic like that since, well forever. I can only personally speak since around ‘87 or so though, but I’ll put some trust in the ‘63 alumna I’ve known for thirty years. They give exclusively to FeceU.

Why?

(03-25-2021 07:43 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Just tossed out names off the top of my head.

Clearly not the point. But ok.

Go read what ‘18 is saying, it’s been chronic like that since, well forever. I can only personally speak since around ‘87 or so though, but I’ll put some trust in the ‘63 alumna I’ve known for thirty years. They give exclusively to FeceU.

Why?

Success in varsity sports can spur school spirit and giving. No argument about that. Post graduation, alums can also take pride in their school through the success of varsity teams, and football can be a major part of that. Men’s basketball (if successful) can rival, and in some instances surpass FB, in flying the flag high and generating giving (Villanova would be a great example of that.

The usefulness of using/promoting sports as a vehicle for giving, however, is limited. The better path is to promote success among the graduates from its various academic programs, especially professional schools. Graduates who accumulate wealth post graduation are the vehicle for rapid growth of a school’s endowment, and further development of the university’s national and international profile. Sports may serve as a tie to that wealthy alum, but in many instances the tie is weak or non-existent.

The following is a true story, but only one example that has been repeated at other schools receiving large $$$ gifts.

Michael Dell, founder of Dell Computers, is a U. of Texas alum. His success in life and continued interest in UT isn’t wholly based on athletics. His recent gift of $150 million to build a medical school on the Austin campus was based on the desire to meet the need for more doctors, but also on the desire to elevate UT’s academic profile. So, the “what came first, the chicken or the egg” question remains. Did Dell’s success in the business world and willingness to give back hundreds of millions of $$$ to his Alma mater build the medical school? Or was the medical school built because of the success of UT athletics? I would argue the medical school was built because Dell had become fabulously wealthy and still felt a strong feeling of connection to UT, however, Dell first had to become rich.

And that’s JMU’s situation (at present). JMU has yet to see a Michael Dell emerge among our graduates. JMU does boast some very successful alums, and they are beginning to give back, but JMU has yet to see a gift of the size that can significantly elevate or change the direction of the university. In time I’m hopeful such a gift (or gifts) will come to JMU, but I have my doubts a move to FBS and G5 FB will move the needle.

Need to figure out how to get on the Federal Pork train like the Ivy League.

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(03-25-2021 07:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  College athletics often serve as the glue that bonds people to their university/college. Rooting for your team with your friends and classmates makes great memories, promotes lifelong friendships, and inspires unity and philanthropy.

JMU has really only BARELY tapped what athletics could add to the University. We've basically maxxed out what we can get from fan support while in the FCS/CAA.

I don't know what the future answer is, but I do know that status quo is the enemy of progress.

I would kill for JMU to be in a P5 conference, it's not in the cards, we all know this. I will root and donate my my butt off if I know JMU is doing the best JMU can do with athletics (any level or conference)...I will be a whining ***** and donate minimums if a rudderless and or tired admin continues on a course to nowhere with little to no evidence that JjMU has a vision at all...fcs is not the best we can do

I hear those of you saying, "now is the time to support". I get it, I get it and 99 percent agree but it's hard to open up the wallet and lead when the leaders won't communicate a vision, wants, goals...anything besides "being excellent."
If the reason is Bourne and King are nine toes out the door and dead pan does not even know if he is able to come back for a third term, that really is rudderless.

Does anyone actually feel that a move to Sunbelt will have a material donation impact on the university as a whole? It looks like JMU received $14M in donations in 2019, what does that jump to if JMU joined the Sunbelt?

Also, for any spikes in athletics donating due to a Sunbelt move, what is the corresponding offset to academic donations? I know there have been posts about donors supporting other areas of the university due to their unhappiness within Athletics, does that flip back when we announce Sunbelt, and thus, no net impact on the university?

Lastly, I don't believe someone who isn't giving to the university bc we are FCS, is suddenly going to open the checkbook when our schedule features two University of Louisiana schools. Sorry, I shouldn't speak in absolutes, some will certainly start donating, but their Paw/Duke Level giving isn't moving the needle for the university as a whole. Those not donating due to "small time sports" are looking for an excuse. Think about it, they went to JMU despite the "small time sports" so there was another reason they love JMU, which would be the reason for them to donate. Saying "I went to JMU because of a great teaching/nursing/business program, but I'm not donating bc they are FCS" is a crock of sh!t. I'm not going to insult JMU and say we give degrees to people that dumb.

(03-25-2021 01:10 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I hear those of you saying, "now is the time to support". I get it, I get it and 99 percent agree but it's hard to open up the wallet and lead when the leaders won't communicate a vision, wants, goals...anything besides "being excellent."
If the reason is Bourne and King are nine toes out the door and dead pan does not even know if he is able to come back for a third term, that really is rudderless.

EXACTLY

(03-25-2021 01:49 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Does anyone actually feel that a move to Sunbelt will have a material donation impact on the university as a whole? It looks like JMU received $14M in donations in 2019, what does that jump to if JMU joined the Sunbelt?

Also, for any spikes in athletics donating due to a Sunbelt move, what is the corresponding offset to academic donations? I know there have been posts about donors supporting other areas of the university due to their unhappiness within Athletics, does that flip back when we announce Sunbelt, and thus, no net impact on the university?

Lastly, I don't believe someone who isn't giving to the university bc we are FCS, is suddenly going to open the checkbook when our schedule features two University of Louisiana schools. Sorry, I shouldn't speak in absolutes, some will certainly start donating, but their Paw/Duke Level giving isn't moving the needle for the university as a whole. Those not donating due to "small time sports" are looking for an excuse. Think about it, they went to JMU despite the "small time sports" so there was another reason they love JMU, which would be the reason for them to donate. Saying "I went to JMU because of a great teaching/nursing/business program, but I'm not donating bc they are FCS" is a crock of sh!t. I'm not going to insult JMU and say we give degrees to people that dumb.

Way to to choose the putliers in the SunBelt.......but lets talk more about Coastal Carolina, App State, Ga Southern...............also I care a lot more about a real all-sports conference not the hodgepodge that is the CAA. Speaking of CAA since you brought up 2 Louisiana schools - how about Maine/NH/Albany/Stony Brook for football and NE/Hofstra for all sports....who cares about any of them.

I am not saying FBS or bust, but I will say anywhere but the CAA.

Athletic fundraising Skyrocketed at ODU following move up to FBS

Jan 01, 2021 · In August of 2017 ODU President, John Broderick, announced a fundraising initiative for Old Dominion University. As a part of the university wide initiative, the Old Dominion Athletic Foundation was tasked with raising $40,000,000 in support of ODU Athletics and our student-athletes. Thanks to our committed supporters, we have surpassed our goal!

ODU raised a record $16.1 million in 2018
By Harry Minium
The prospect of a renovated S.B. Ballard football stadium enticed Old Dominion University athletic boosters to donate money in record amounts in 2018.
The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation, ODU’s athletic fundraising organization, raised a record $16.1 million last year, said Jena Virga, senior associate athletic director.
That’s more than the $12.3 million ODAF raised in 2017 and far more than the $9.6 million raised in 2016, Virga said.
The 2018 total is impressive among mid-major schools.
For instance, James Madison University, which has a Football Championship Subdivision program
but is otherwise comparable to ODU, raised $4.5 million in 2017-2018 school year.


10/2/20 – Virginia Pilot

the athletic department has even managed to avoid layoffs and furloughs, thanks largely to the generosity of its donors and sponsors. The department recently received a $5 million gift from a benefactor Selig declined to name.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp...story.html

(03-25-2021 01:49 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Does anyone actually feel that a move to Sunbelt will have a material donation impact on the university as a whole? It looks like JMU received $14M in donations in 2019, what does that jump to if JMU joined the Sunbelt?

Also, for any spikes in athletics donating due to a Sunbelt move, what is the corresponding offset to academic donations? I know there have been posts about donors supporting other areas of the university due to their unhappiness within Athletics, does that flip back when we announce Sunbelt, and thus, no net impact on the university?

Lastly, I don't believe someone who isn't giving to the university bc we are FCS, is suddenly going to open the checkbook when our schedule features two University of Louisiana schools. Sorry, I shouldn't speak in absolutes, some will certainly start donating, but their Paw/Duke Level giving isn't moving the needle for the university as a whole. Those not donating due to "small time sports" are looking for an excuse. Think about it, they went to JMU despite the "small time sports" so there was another reason they love JMU, which would be the reason for them to donate. Saying "I went to JMU because of a great teaching/nursing/business program, but I'm not donating bc they are FCS" is a crock of sh!t. I'm not going to insult JMU and say we give degrees to people that dumb.

The "why didn't you go to a 1a football university?" in response to not accepting JMU's fcs status is bull ****. I went to JMU because I was an 18 year old kid with no parental guidance and JMU was close and the only choice. I was lucky I could go to college anywhere... Yes, I live JMU...

How does that preclude me from pushing my alma mater to compete at the D1a level of football with peers? No correlation at all...

(03-25-2021 03:35 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Athletic fundraising Skyrocketed at ODU following move up to FBS

Jan 01, 2021 · In August of 2017 ODU President, John Broderick, announced a fundraising initiative for Old Dominion University. As a part of the university wide initiative, the Old Dominion Athletic Foundation was tasked with raising $40,000,000 in support of ODU Athletics and our student-athletes. Thanks to our committed supporters, we have surpassed our goal!

ODU raised a record $16.1 million in 2018
By Harry Minium
The prospect of a renovated S.B. Ballard football stadium enticed Old Dominion University athletic boosters to donate money in record amounts in 2018.
The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation, ODU’s athletic fundraising organization, raised a record $16.1 million last year, said Jena Virga, senior associate athletic director.
That’s more than the $12.3 million ODAF raised in 2017 and far more than the $9.6 million raised in 2016, Virga said.
The 2018 total is impressive among mid-major schools.
For instance, James Madison University, which has a Football Championship Subdivision program
but is otherwise comparable to ODU, raised $4.5 million in 2017-2018 school year.


10/2/20 – Virginia Pilot

the athletic department has even managed to avoid layoffs and furloughs, thanks largely to the generosity of its donors and sponsors. The department recently received a $5 million gift from a benefactor Selig declined to name.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp...story.html

Oooh someone updated their word document last year!

I’m not FBS or die but I think it’s fair to say that playing at the top level of D1 would energize young donors (mostly males if we’re being honest). You see it a full cultural acceptance at the P5 level where young female alumni are excited about athletics. The SEC and ACC schools are a great example where game days for football and basketball are more exciting for the student bodies and it’s “cool” to be a supporter. We have great student fans but I do think some are reluctant to go all in based on our level of competition.

Not saying we are ready for P5 or that will happen anytime soon but I do think young alumni want to be able to compare to peer colleges when talking about athletics (football mainly). When you talk to friends and family who aren’t big time fans of college athletics, it’s hard to generate excitement for a league, conference, and teams that they didn’t know have football.

(03-25-2021 03:59 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 03:35 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Athletic fundraising Skyrocketed at ODU following move up to FBS

Jan 01, 2021 · In August of 2017 ODU President, John Broderick, announced a fundraising initiative for Old Dominion University. As a part of the university wide initiative, the Old Dominion Athletic Foundation was tasked with raising $40,000,000 in support of ODU Athletics and our student-athletes. Thanks to our committed supporters, we have surpassed our goal!

ODU raised a record $16.1 million in 2018
By Harry Minium
The prospect of a renovated S.B. Ballard football stadium enticed Old Dominion University athletic boosters to donate money in record amounts in 2018.
The Old Dominion Athletic Foundation, ODU’s athletic fundraising organization, raised a record $16.1 million last year, said Jena Virga, senior associate athletic director.
That’s more than the $12.3 million ODAF raised in 2017 and far more than the $9.6 million raised in 2016, Virga said.
The 2018 total is impressive among mid-major schools.
For instance, James Madison University, which has a Football Championship Subdivision program
but is otherwise comparable to ODU, raised $4.5 million in 2017-2018 school year.


10/2/20 – Virginia Pilot

the athletic department has even managed to avoid layoffs and furloughs, thanks largely to the generosity of its donors and sponsors. The department recently received a $5 million gift from a benefactor Selig declined to name.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp...story.html

Oooh someone updated their word document last year!

Didn't save their wrestling program though.

I have had business relationships and personal friendships with hundreds of JMU grads over many, many years . ( like many of you i am sure)

a good number of them own their own business and choose where to send their donations and sponsorship money. more often than NOT, it is not Jmu -as the perception of sponsoring "small time" football does not move the needle when they can sponsor other state schools with more brand recognition and media attention.

If you think that FBS would not increase our Giving and sponsorship levels exponentially, your head must be buried in the sand or you don't have much of a background in economics. This will be the quickest way to also grow our endowment.

Its long been time to make the move, and quite honestly the longer we wait the deeper the hole we will be in.

FBS WILL be a financial windfall for JMU and the Duke club in General. Our alums are ready to step up, i guarantee it. Give us a reason.

But we might have a few losing seasons!! Way too risky..umass failed!