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"At least a hundred people gathered at the front of the Idaho Capitol on Saturday to burn masks in a protest against measures taken to limit infections and deaths caused by the coronavirus pandemic...."

fweedom!!

I don't understand republican opposition to masks and the vaccines.

If we had gotten everyone wearing masks and social distancing and washing hands, and had isolated those at highest risk, we could have kept the economy open. Japan did that, and have 1/30 the cases per million, and 1/25 the deaths per million that we do. If Trump had hit those numbers with the economy still going, he would have been re-elected in a landslide.

Operation Warp Speed was an incredible success and should be celebrated. Again give Trump proper credit.

99% survival rate...

(03-08-2021 06:49 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  99% survival rate...

Sure. I do however know 3 people personally that are still having complications from this thing months after they contracted it. One has lost her sense of smell and taste. Docs say it may never return. Survivability is not the only metric that is important here. Ive seen enough to know I don't want to get it. Im taking precautions until I believe that is a very low possibility of happening. I respect the feelings of others however that want to take the risk.

And I’ve read countless articles saying masks changed nothing. None of you mask people can prove they help. Places where people mostly wore masks had the same or sometimes higher infection rates.

(03-08-2021 06:57 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 06:49 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  99% survival rate...

Sure. I do however know 3 people personally that are still having complications from this thing months after they contracted it. One has lost her sense of smell and taste. Docs say it may never return. Survivability is not the only metric that is important here. Ive seen enough to know I don't want to get it. Im taking precautions until I believe that is a very low possibility of happening. I respect the feelings of others however that want to take the risk.

Right...and isn't the rate at least a half percentage point less than that? Doesn't sound like a lot, but when applied to hundreds of million of people, it is.

But the bigger issue is the lifetime of other health issues that we're still discovering. Lung issues, heart issues, mental issues, etc.

Wear your damned mask...it's common sense. Clearly these mopes have little of it.

(03-08-2021 07:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Wear your damned mask...it's common sense.

a liberal saying to use common sense! that is one of the most ironic things i have ever read

(03-08-2021 07:36 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  And I’ve read countless articles saying masks changed nothing. None of you mask people can prove they help. Places where people mostly wore masks had the same or sometimes higher infection rates.

When does common sense prevail?

Obviously the mask has some level of suppression for droplettes - maybe they travel 50% as far - whatever - it is less than if you are not wearing one? It also has some level of suppression of inhaling these same germs as it would get caught in the mask instead of going into your system. It is not 100% perfect - plain and simple.

if you are comfortable wearing one, great - keep your distance and go about your business as much as you feel comfortable.

WHY IS THIS SO F-ING HARD?

personally I wear a mask whenever I may be in a tight space or the building I am entering requires it. Outside of that, I will take my chances not wearing one and I will respect others space by keeping my distance if the situation allows.

Have you ever seen a hazmat suit?

If you can breath through the damn mask it's not stopping a virus.

(03-08-2021 09:31 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Have you ever seen a hazmat suit?
If you can breath through the damn mask it's not stopping a virus.

Not stop but can slow. Let's say it stops 50%.

Say you infect 10 people without a mask. In a week each of them infects 10, that's 100. In another week each of them infects 10, that's 1000.

With a mask you infect 5. In a week they each infect 5, that's 25. In another week they each infect 5, that's 125.

Japan did nothing but masks and some social distancing, and kept their economy going, and they have 1/30 the cases per million and 1/25 the deaths per million that we do.

Would you rather have had everybody wear masks and keep the economy going, or shut down the economy? If Trump had been able to keep te economy going and had hit Japan's numbers, he would have been re-elected in a landslide. But he had advisors who didn't want that.

(03-07-2021 10:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.idahostatesman.com/latest-ne...52158.html

"At least a hundred people gathered at the front of the Idaho Capitol on Saturday to burn masks in a protest against measures taken to limit infections and deaths caused by the coronavirus pandemic...."

I hope the FBI doesn't run facial recognition on these people and arrest them all for an Insurgency event in front of the Idaho Capitol..... If they were "burning" something that is at least as bad as showing up to the nations' capitol with stuff....

(03-08-2021 09:43 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Would you rather have had everybody wear masks and keep the economy going, or shut down the economy? If Trump had been able to keep te economy going and had hit Japan's numbers, he would have been re-elected in a landslide. But he had advisors who didn't want that.

Good grief man. WE DID BOTH. Wore the damn masks AND shut down the economy.


Spinnin' wheel got to go 'round

I wear a mask when I have to. When I don't have to I don't wear it. Look, I have great sympathy for those effected by this virus but I'd be willing to bet that many of those were wearing masks and social distancing and washing their hands.

I still say this was an experiment to see just how far we would be pushed, an exercise in control. Apparently they met little real resistance.

Proud of these free-thinking, brave folks.

We'll show them.

(03-08-2021 07:36 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  And I’ve read countless articles saying masks changed nothing. None of you mask people can prove they help. Places where people mostly wore masks had the same or sometimes higher infection rates.

Its like sticking a basketball net in front of you to protect you from someone throwing a bucket of water at you. As for protection for others, all it does is reduce the spread of the virus IF you sneeze or cough and IF you are sick.

And reality is that it provides a false sense of protection. The people who are most likely to avoid social distancing are the mask wearers. And many wear them under their nose, even educated people. They fool with it, spreading germs on themselves. In real life with real people, I'm not sure masks aren't a net negative instead of a miniscule improvement.

Its simply NOT science based. Its paternalism. The authorities have bounced all over the place with their mask mandates. And the fake news about masks is what really causes people to oppose them. When you hear the media, they talk only about masks. Every now and then they mention social distancing. They almost never talk about washing your hands or staying home when you might be sick.

(03-08-2021 06:57 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 06:49 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  99% survival rate...

Sure. I do however know 3 people personally that are still having complications from this thing months after they contracted it. One has lost her sense of smell and taste. Docs say it may never return. Survivability is not the only metric that is important here. Ive seen enough to know I don't want to get it. Im taking precautions until I believe that is a very low possibility of happening. I respect the feelings of others however that want to take the risk.

Aside from the loss of my father, my mother still has brain fog 3 months later. I (believe) I get Covid in early March of last year at Mardi Gras (before testing was widely available) and I had breathing issues when doing heavy cardio for about 4 months. Fortunately lung regeneration is fairly rapid so any scarring I had is likely temporary but still... surviving Covid is a happy thing but living with the repercussions of contracting it (long term)? TBD.

(03-08-2021 09:43 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 09:31 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Have you ever seen a hazmat suit?
If you can breath through the damn mask it's not stopping a virus.

Not stop but can slow. Let's say it stops 50%.

Say you infect 10 people without a mask. In a week each of them infects 10, that's 100. In another week each of them infects 10, that's 1000.

With a mask you infect 5. In a week they each infect 5, that's 25. In another week they each infect 5, that's 125.

Japan did nothing but masks and some social distancing, and kept their economy going, and they have 1/30 the cases per million and 1/25 the deaths per million that we do.

Would you rather have had everybody wear masks and keep the economy going, or shut down the economy? If Trump had been able to keep te economy going and had hit Japan's numbers, he would have been re-elected in a landslide. But he had advisors who didn't want that.

Contact with an infected person is considered close contact for 15 minutes. Wearing a mask while you spend 15 minutes walking around Walmart, never for very long around the same person, is simply not a measurable risk as long as someone doesn't sneeze in your face.

If stores want you to wear masks, I have no problem with it as its their property. Its the nonsense like creepy Joe telling us we need to wear them outside at National Parks. And the constant deceitful propaganda about masks by the media. If you want to know what government thinks about masks, look at Pelosi not wearing one in her illegal haircut or the Pennsylvania governor talking about how wearing a mask is political theater or Feinstein preaching about masks in airports but not wearing one herself. Its all lying, deceitful political theater. If you socially distance, masks have no value even if people actually wore them properly.