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The fallout from this will be quite interesting.

Some familiar names aligned with the guy, doing the hiring on Southwest Michigan First, especially that trust fund baby. Why am I NOT SURPRISED?!

(02-16-2021 08:31 AM)Flashboski Wrote:  Looks like Kalamazoo saw right through the political smokescreen

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/202...ction.html

Interesting read

Quote:Praedel said the incoming CEO has no economic development experience, and he is divisive. He asked why the board would choose to hire someone who is so different the others who live in the area

And

Quote:“If you’re gonna do business in Kalamazoo, you’re gonna value diversity, equity and inclusion,” Knott said.

Got it?

(02-15-2021 12:48 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:19 PM)BJBCM Wrote:  I can't believe so many people here are against a downtown arena. The arena and rink on campus are DUMPS. I get that people love the intimacy of Lawson but it's falling apart. A downtown arena would be HUGE! Think about the marketing between local bars/restaurants and WMU athletics. Would change the game in a great way for WMU athletics.

Go ask WMU hockey players, NCHC rivals, Lawson Lunatics, & college hockey fans what they think of Lawson. It's special. It can also be renovated. UM & MSU have done that to Yost & Munn.

A downtown arena would still be great for concerts, other events, WMU hoops, & the K-Wings.

Lol I think those same people (wmu players, nchc rivals, etc...) will be pretty happy walking into a brand new arena with updated locker rooms, work out areas, videoboards, lighting, sound, etc...It makes no sense to dump money into Lawson if you can piggyback off a new arena downtown. The Lunatics can hit Wild Bull right after the games!

(02-16-2021 11:32 AM)ess Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 08:31 AM)Flashboski Wrote:  Looks like Kalamazoo saw right through the political smokescreen

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/202...ction.html

Interesting read

Quote:Praedel said the incoming CEO has no economic development experience, and he is divisive. He asked why the board would choose to hire someone who is so different the others who live in the area

And

Quote:“If you’re gonna do business in Kalamazoo, you’re gonna value diversity, equity and inclusion,” Knott said.

Got it?

Good for them.

(02-16-2021 11:45 AM)BJBCM Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:48 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:19 PM)BJBCM Wrote:  I can't believe so many people here are against a downtown arena. The arena and rink on campus are DUMPS. I get that people love the intimacy of Lawson but it's falling apart. A downtown arena would be HUGE! Think about the marketing between local bars/restaurants and WMU athletics. Would change the game in a great way for WMU athletics.

Go ask WMU hockey players, NCHC rivals, Lawson Lunatics, & college hockey fans what they think of Lawson. It's special. It can also be renovated. UM & MSU have done that to Yost & Munn.

A downtown arena would still be great for concerts, other events, WMU hoops, & the K-Wings.

Lol I think those same people (wmu players, nchc rivals, etc...) will be pretty happy walking into a brand new arena with updated locker rooms, work out areas, videoboards, lighting, sound, etc...It makes no sense to dump money into Lawson if you can piggyback off a new arena downtown. The Lunatics can hit Wild Bull right after the games!

Nope. Plenty of updated locker rooms all throughout college hockey. Rival teams say they love coming to Lawson because it's an old school arena w/ the Lunatics. We barely fill up Lawson on most nights. What's the atmosphere going to be like in a 9,000 seat downtown arena? I doubt players will tell their grandkids about the locker rooms. And oh, by the way, locker rooms can be renovated @ Lawson.

(02-16-2021 12:21 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 11:45 AM)BJBCM Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:48 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:19 PM)BJBCM Wrote:  I can't believe so many people here are against a downtown arena. The arena and rink on campus are DUMPS. I get that people love the intimacy of Lawson but it's falling apart. A downtown arena would be HUGE! Think about the marketing between local bars/restaurants and WMU athletics. Would change the game in a great way for WMU athletics.

Go ask WMU hockey players, NCHC rivals, Lawson Lunatics, & college hockey fans what they think of Lawson. It's special. It can also be renovated. UM & MSU have done that to Yost & Munn.

A downtown arena would still be great for concerts, other events, WMU hoops, & the K-Wings.

Lol I think those same people (wmu players, nchc rivals, etc...) will be pretty happy walking into a brand new arena with updated locker rooms, work out areas, videoboards, lighting, sound, etc...It makes no sense to dump money into Lawson if you can piggyback off a new arena downtown. The Lunatics can hit Wild Bull right after the games!

Nope. Plenty of updated locker rooms all throughout college. Rival teams say they love coming to Lawson because it's an old school arena w/ the Lunatics. We barely fill up Lawson on most nights. What's the atmosphere going to be like in a 9,000 seat downtown arena? I doubt players will tell their grandkids about the locker rooms. And oh, by the way, locker rooms can be renovated @ Lawson.

I would LOVE to see them knock out the end now that the Natatorium is done, and make Lawson a real arena with these upgrades. Keep the close atmosphere and on campus.

(02-16-2021 12:23 PM)FortWorthRaider Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 12:21 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 11:45 AM)BJBCM Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:48 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:19 PM)BJBCM Wrote:  I can't believe so many people here are against a downtown arena. The arena and rink on campus are DUMPS. I get that people love the intimacy of Lawson but it's falling apart. A downtown arena would be HUGE! Think about the marketing between local bars/restaurants and WMU athletics. Would change the game in a great way for WMU athletics.

Go ask WMU hockey players, NCHC rivals, Lawson Lunatics, & college hockey fans what they think of Lawson. It's special. It can also be renovated. UM & MSU have done that to Yost & Munn.

A downtown arena would still be great for concerts, other events, WMU hoops, & the K-Wings.

Lol I think those same people (wmu players, nchc rivals, etc...) will be pretty happy walking into a brand new arena with updated locker rooms, work out areas, videoboards, lighting, sound, etc...It makes no sense to dump money into Lawson if you can piggyback off a new arena downtown. The Lunatics can hit Wild Bull right after the games!

Nope. Plenty of updated locker rooms all throughout college. Rival teams say they love coming to Lawson because it's an old school arena w/ the Lunatics. We barely fill up Lawson on most nights. What's the atmosphere going to be like in a 9,000 seat downtown arena? I doubt players will tell their grandkids about the locker rooms. And oh, by the way, locker rooms can be renovated @ Lawson.

I would LOVE to see them knock out the end and make Lawson a real arena with these upgrades. Keep the close atmosphere and on campus.

Agreed. Lawson is such a gem. The University would be crazy to move the hockey team anywhere else.

(02-16-2021 11:45 AM)BJBCM Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:48 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:19 PM)BJBCM Wrote:  I can't believe so many people here are against a downtown arena. The arena and rink on campus are DUMPS. I get that people love the intimacy of Lawson but it's falling apart. A downtown arena would be HUGE! Think about the marketing between local bars/restaurants and WMU athletics. Would change the game in a great way for WMU athletics.

Go ask WMU hockey players, NCHC rivals, Lawson Lunatics, & college hockey fans what they think of Lawson. It's special. It can also be renovated. UM & MSU have done that to Yost & Munn.

A downtown arena would still be great for concerts, other events, WMU hoops, & the K-Wings.

Lol I think those same people (wmu players, nchc rivals, etc...) will be pretty happy walking into a brand new arena with updated locker rooms, work out areas, videoboards, lighting, sound, etc...It makes no sense to dump money into Lawson if you can piggyback off a new arena downtown. The Lunatics can hit Wild Bull right after the games!

You couldn't pay me to go to Wild Bull. Feels like you catch an STD just walking into the place.

I'll head over to Bell's. Or Shakespeare's. Or Old Dog. Or Beer Exchange. Or Olde Peninsula. Or any of the other options downtown.

(02-16-2021 12:21 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 11:45 AM)BJBCM Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:48 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:19 PM)BJBCM Wrote:  I can't believe so many people here are against a downtown arena. The arena and rink on campus are DUMPS. I get that people love the intimacy of Lawson but it's falling apart. A downtown arena would be HUGE! Think about the marketing between local bars/restaurants and WMU athletics. Would change the game in a great way for WMU athletics.

Go ask WMU hockey players, NCHC rivals, Lawson Lunatics, & college hockey fans what they think of Lawson. It's special. It can also be renovated. UM & MSU have done that to Yost & Munn.

A downtown arena would still be great for concerts, other events, WMU hoops, & the K-Wings.

Lol I think those same people (wmu players, nchc rivals, etc...) will be pretty happy walking into a brand new arena with updated locker rooms, work out areas, videoboards, lighting, sound, etc...It makes no sense to dump money into Lawson if you can piggyback off a new arena downtown. The Lunatics can hit Wild Bull right after the games!

Nope. Plenty of updated locker rooms all throughout college hockey. Rival teams say they love coming to Lawson because it's an old school arena w/ the Lunatics. We barely fill up Lawson on most nights. What's the atmosphere going to be like in a 9,000 seat downtown arena? I doubt players will tell their grandkids about the locker rooms. And oh, by the way, locker rooms can be renovated @ Lawson.

And oh, by the way, they already have been.

(02-16-2021 01:12 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 11:45 AM)BJBCM Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:48 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-15-2021 12:19 PM)BJBCM Wrote:  I can't believe so many people here are against a downtown arena. The arena and rink on campus are DUMPS. I get that people love the intimacy of Lawson but it's falling apart. A downtown arena would be HUGE! Think about the marketing between local bars/restaurants and WMU athletics. Would change the game in a great way for WMU athletics.

Go ask WMU hockey players, NCHC rivals, Lawson Lunatics, & college hockey fans what they think of Lawson. It's special. It can also be renovated. UM & MSU have done that to Yost & Munn.

A downtown arena would still be great for concerts, other events, WMU hoops, & the K-Wings.

Lol I think those same people (wmu players, nchc rivals, etc...) will be pretty happy walking into a brand new arena with updated locker rooms, work out areas, videoboards, lighting, sound, etc...It makes no sense to dump money into Lawson if you can piggyback off a new arena downtown. The Lunatics can hit Wild Bull right after the games!

You couldn't pay me to go to Wild Bull. Feels like you catch an STD just walking into the place.

I'll head over to Bell's. Or Shakespeare's. Or Old Dog. Or Beer Exchange. Or Olde Peninsula. Or any of the other options downtown.

Start @ Bell’s. End @ Old Dog. Old Dog was even better when it was Kraftbrau.

The people that say move from Lawson are missing the point of why students go. Campus Court apartments and Knollwood area are literally within a 2-3 minute walk to the game. They get hammered pregame, come for the game, and then leave by 10pm for the house parties in that neighborhood. They don't actually care about hockey - it's about convenience. Nobody wants to walk to University Arena during winter time so nobody goes. If we move our sports teams downtown, we will lose the tiny student support that we already have.

(02-16-2021 11:32 AM)ess Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 08:31 AM)Flashboski Wrote:  Looks like Kalamazoo saw right through the political smokescreen

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/202...ction.html

Interesting read

Quote:Praedel said the incoming CEO has no economic development experience, and he is divisive. He asked why the board would choose to hire someone who is so different the others who live in the area

And

Quote:“If you’re gonna do business in Kalamazoo, you’re gonna value diversity, equity and inclusion,” Knott said.

Got it?

That was my point too. This was nothing but a political maneuver to establish residence and likely primary Upton cause he spoke out and voted against Trump.

(02-16-2021 03:52 PM)Flashboski Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 11:32 AM)ess Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 08:31 AM)Flashboski Wrote:  Looks like Kalamazoo saw right through the political smokescreen

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/202...ction.html

Interesting read

Quote:Praedel said the incoming CEO has no economic development experience, and he is divisive. He asked why the board would choose to hire someone who is so different the others who live in the area

And

Quote:“If you’re gonna do business in Kalamazoo, you’re gonna value diversity, equity and inclusion,” Knott said.

Got it?

That was my point too. This was nothing but a political maneuver to establish residence and likely primary Upton cause he spoke out and voted against Trump.

You're thinking that the Kalamazoo City Commission's actions where motivated by a desire to help Fred Upton?

(02-16-2021 05:02 PM)ess Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 03:52 PM)Flashboski Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 11:32 AM)ess Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 08:31 AM)Flashboski Wrote:  Looks like Kalamazoo saw right through the political smokescreen

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/202...ction.html

Interesting read

Quote:Praedel said the incoming CEO has no economic development experience, and he is divisive. He asked why the board would choose to hire someone who is so different the others who live in the area

And

Quote:“If you’re gonna do business in Kalamazoo, you’re gonna value diversity, equity and inclusion,” Knott said.

Got it?

That was my point too. This was nothing but a political maneuver to establish residence and likely primary Upton cause he spoke out and voted against Trump.

You're thinking that the Kalamazoo City Commission's actions where motivated by a desire to help Fred Upton?

I took their move to be just how it sounded, they didn't want to be aligned with a divisive white supremacist who also happens to be a Trumper that was appointed as part of a strategy (by a fellow Trump style trust fund baby no less) to primary Fred Upton.

Did I miss something?

(02-16-2021 05:53 PM)FortWorthRaider Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 05:02 PM)ess Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 03:52 PM)Flashboski Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 11:32 AM)ess Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 08:31 AM)Flashboski Wrote:  Looks like Kalamazoo saw right through the political smokescreen

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/202...ction.html

Interesting read

Quote:Praedel said the incoming CEO has no economic development experience, and he is divisive. He asked why the board would choose to hire someone who is so different the others who live in the area

And

Quote:“If you’re gonna do business in Kalamazoo, you’re gonna value diversity, equity and inclusion,” Knott said.

Got it?

That was my point too. This was nothing but a political maneuver to establish residence and likely primary Upton cause he spoke out and voted against Trump.

You're thinking that the Kalamazoo City Commission's actions where motivated by a desire to help Fred Upton?

I took their move to be just how it sounded, they didn't want to be aligned with a divisive white supremacist who also happens to be a Trumper that was appointed to primary Fred Upton.

Did I miss something?

This

(02-16-2021 05:53 PM)FortWorthRaider Wrote:  I took their move to be just how it sounded, they didn't want to be aligned with a divisive white supremacist who also happens to be a Trumper that was appointed as part of a strategy (by a fellow Trump style trust fund baby no less) to primary Fred Upton.

Did I miss something?

No

Quote:“If you’re gonna do business in Kalamazoo, you’re gonna value diversity, equity and inclusion,” Knott said.

Why hide behind all of this ^^^ nonsense?

While building rhetorical walls.

Very Trumpesque.

(02-16-2021 06:10 PM)ess Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 05:53 PM)FortWorthRaider Wrote:  I took their move to be just how it sounded, they didn't want to be aligned with a divisive white supremacist who also happens to be a Trumper that was appointed as part of a strategy (by a fellow Trump style trust fund baby no less) to primary Fred Upton.

Did I miss something?

No

Quote:“If you’re gonna do business in Kalamazoo, you’re gonna value diversity, equity and inclusion,” Knott said.

Why hide behind all of this ^^^ nonsense?

While building rhetorical walls.

Very Trumpesque.

What's nonsense about that?

How is that nonsense when a divisive guy basically a modern carpetbagger was appointed to such a high level position where he had no relevant or portable experience or qualifications?

THAT is Trumpesque if you ask me. In fact....JUST like Trump/Jarred/Ivanka.

(02-16-2021 06:10 PM)ess Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 05:53 PM)FortWorthRaider Wrote:  I took their move to be just how it sounded, they didn't want to be aligned with a divisive white supremacist who also happens to be a Trumper that was appointed as part of a strategy (by a fellow Trump style trust fund baby no less) to primary Fred Upton.

Did I miss something?

No

Quote:“If you’re gonna do business in Kalamazoo, you’re gonna value diversity, equity and inclusion,” Knott said.

Why hide behind all of this ^^^ nonsense?

While building rhetorical walls.

Very Trumpesque.

Valuing diversity, equality, and inclusion is actually the complete opposite of being Trumpesque. And rejecting Trumper Lee Chatfield seems pretty consistent with everything they said. There are going to be consequences for all of these politicians who continued to support an inciter of insurrections. They want all of us to pretend like none of this happened.

(02-16-2021 07:01 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 06:10 PM)ess Wrote:  

(02-16-2021 05:53 PM)FortWorthRaider Wrote:  I took their move to be just how it sounded, they didn't want to be aligned with a divisive white supremacist who also happens to be a Trumper that was appointed as part of a strategy (by a fellow Trump style trust fund baby no less) to primary Fred Upton.

Did I miss something?

No

Quote:“If you’re gonna do business in Kalamazoo, you’re gonna value diversity, equity and inclusion,” Knott said.

Why hide behind all of this ^^^ nonsense?

While building rhetorical walls.

Very Trumpesque.

Valuing diversity, equality, and inclusion is actually the complete opposite of being Trumpesque. And rejecting Trumper Lee Chatfield seems pretty consistent with everything they said. There are going to be consequences for all of these politicians who continue to support an inciter of insurrections. They want all of us to present like none of this happened.

Hey pal, don't be jumping on all these different threads!