(01-25-2021 02:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:47 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Was only stating it because IMO we need to get WT this year.

The WAC has 2 D2 members transitioning, they'll need to space out the WT add and subsequent transition.

Make that three transitioning members. CBU is only in year 3.

(01-25-2021 02:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:47 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Was only stating it because IMO we need to get WT this year.

The WAC has 2 D2 members transitioning, they'll need to space out the WT add and subsequent transition.

I believe the WAC has three schools transitioning, California-Baptist is in their third year with Dixie & Tarleton in their first.

(01-25-2021 02:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:47 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Was only stating it because IMO we need to get WT this year.

The WAC has 2 D2 members transitioning, they'll need to space out the WT add and subsequent transition.

I don't think that's much of a concern given the number of schools that will be in the WAC that are already D1 (eight in 2021 and ten in 2022).

Even if it is, the transition period for both Dixie State and Tarleton State is 2020-2023. Bringing in WT in 2021 or 2022 for a transition that ends in 2024 or 2025 would provide some spacing.

Unless the WAC thinks it has a realistic chance to pry another D1 school loose from the Big Sky the conference would be wise to move on WT right away.

I don't want any more move ups if we can avoid it. I'd prefer we got an existing D1 school.

An existing D1 will enter the conference with a much higher basketball ranking. They will also be in much better position to improve quickly for not having the stupid four probationary period holding them back.

(01-25-2021 03:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 02:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:47 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Was only stating it because IMO we need to get WT this year.

The WAC has 2 D2 members transitioning, they'll need to space out the WT add and subsequent transition.

I don't think that's much of a concern given the number of schools that will be in the WAC that are already D1 (eight in 2021 and ten in 2022).

Even if it is, the transition period for both Dixie State and Tarleton State is 2020-2023. Bringing in WT in 2021 or 2022 for a transition that ends in 2024 or 2025 would provide some spacing.

Unless the WAC thinks it has a realistic chance to pry another D1 school loose from the Big Sky the conference would be wise to move on WT right away.

If it’s a D2 school in Texas, it wouldn’t effect NMSU too much.

(01-25-2021 04:08 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 02:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:47 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Was only stating it because IMO we need to get WT this year.

The WAC has 2 D2 members transitioning, they'll need to space out the WT add and subsequent transition.

I don't think that's much of a concern given the number of schools that will be in the WAC that are already D1 (eight in 2021 and ten in 2022).

Even if it is, the transition period for both Dixie State and Tarleton State is 2020-2023. Bringing in WT in 2021 or 2022 for a transition that ends in 2024 or 2025 would provide some spacing.

Unless the WAC thinks it has a realistic chance to pry another D1 school loose from the Big Sky the conference would be wise to move on WT right away.

If it’s a D2 school in Texas, it wouldn’t effect NMSU too much.

Understood. I'm just tired of D2's. Let's throw our weight around and get another D1.

(01-25-2021 04:16 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:08 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 02:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:47 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Was only stating it because IMO we need to get WT this year.

The WAC has 2 D2 members transitioning, they'll need to space out the WT add and subsequent transition.

I don't think that's much of a concern given the number of schools that will be in the WAC that are already D1 (eight in 2021 and ten in 2022).

Even if it is, the transition period for both Dixie State and Tarleton State is 2020-2023. Bringing in WT in 2021 or 2022 for a transition that ends in 2024 or 2025 would provide some spacing.

Unless the WAC thinks it has a realistic chance to pry another D1 school loose from the Big Sky the conference would be wise to move on WT right away.

If it’s a D2 school in Texas, it wouldn’t effect NMSU too much.

Understood. I'm just tired of D2's. Let's throw our weight around and get another D1.

For sure I can understand that. However, look at the quality of the 4 D2’s we got. Not exactly USC-Upstate, NJIT, and Houston Baptist.

(01-25-2021 03:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 02:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 11:47 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Was only stating it because IMO we need to get WT this year.

The WAC has 2 D2 members transitioning, they'll need to space out the WT add and subsequent transition.

I don't think that's much of a concern given the number of schools that will be in the WAC that are already D1 (eight in 2021 and ten in 2022).

Even if it is, the transition period for both Dixie State and Tarleton State is 2020-2023. Bringing in WT in 2021 or 2022 for a transition that ends in 2024 or 2025 would provide some spacing.

Unless the WAC thinks it has a realistic chance to pry another D1 school loose from the Big Sky the conference would be wise to move on WT right away.

Right, add WT in a year.

(01-25-2021 04:19 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:16 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:08 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 02:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  The WAC has 2 D2 members transitioning, they'll need to space out the WT add and subsequent transition.

I don't think that's much of a concern given the number of schools that will be in the WAC that are already D1 (eight in 2021 and ten in 2022).

Even if it is, the transition period for both Dixie State and Tarleton State is 2020-2023. Bringing in WT in 2021 or 2022 for a transition that ends in 2024 or 2025 would provide some spacing.

Unless the WAC thinks it has a realistic chance to pry another D1 school loose from the Big Sky the conference would be wise to move on WT right away.

If it’s a D2 school in Texas, it wouldn’t effect NMSU too much.

Understood. I'm just tired of D2's. Let's throw our weight around and get another D1.

For sure I can understand that. However, look at the quality of the 4 D2’s we got. Not exactly USC-Upstate, NJIT, and Houston Baptist.

If it's a quality D2 add then it would be better then a middling D1. WAC has the leeway to be a little more picky with their last add. But it sounds like WT checks most, it not all, of the boxes the WAC desires.

What D1's would consider the WAC? And how do they stack up against the D2's in consideration? Seems like a pretty straight forward analysis that the WAC could easily decide on.

(01-25-2021 06:33 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:19 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:16 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:08 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 03:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I don't think that's much of a concern given the number of schools that will be in the WAC that are already D1 (eight in 2021 and ten in 2022).

Even if it is, the transition period for both Dixie State and Tarleton State is 2020-2023. Bringing in WT in 2021 or 2022 for a transition that ends in 2024 or 2025 would provide some spacing.

Unless the WAC thinks it has a realistic chance to pry another D1 school loose from the Big Sky the conference would be wise to move on WT right away.

If it’s a D2 school in Texas, it wouldn’t effect NMSU too much.

Understood. I'm just tired of D2's. Let's throw our weight around and get another D1.

For sure I can understand that. However, look at the quality of the 4 D2’s we got. Not exactly USC-Upstate, NJIT, and Houston Baptist.

If it's a quality D2 add then it would be better then a middling D1. WAC has the leeway to be a little more picky with their last add. But it sounds like WT checks most, it not all, of the boxes the WAC desires.

What D1's would consider the WAC? And how do they stack up against the D2's in consideration? Seems like a pretty straight forward analysis that the WAC could easily decide on.

Indeed they do, because of quality D2 moveups. Lone Star D2's are not your average bear, and WTAMU is the pick of the litter after Tarleton left. Really can't go wrong with option 2 or 3, either.

Give me NAU or someone more west than Texas.

Are we sure WTAMU wants to move up?

Only D1 I could see being interested (outside the SLC) is Oral Roberts. Great baseball program. Not sure they're interested in starting a football program, though. They left the Summit for the SLC in 2012, and then went back to the Summit in 2014 after they were disappointed by the SLC, so clearly they aren't married to the Summit.

Now that UST is moving directly from D3 to D1, some of the SCAC schools could be possibilities, too. The only one that I would be interested in is Trinity, though. That $1.2 billion endowment is nothing to scoff at. Pretty sure that would more than double the current WAC endowment.

(01-25-2021 09:40 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Give me NAU or someone more west than Texas.

Ain't happenin', bucko!

(01-25-2021 09:02 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 06:33 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:19 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:16 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:08 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  If it’s a D2 school in Texas, it wouldn’t effect NMSU too much.

Understood. I'm just tired of D2's. Let's throw our weight around and get another D1.

For sure I can understand that. However, look at the quality of the 4 D2’s we got. Not exactly USC-Upstate, NJIT, and Houston Baptist.

If it's a quality D2 add then it would be better then a middling D1. WAC has the leeway to be a little more picky with their last add. But it sounds like WT checks most, it not all, of the boxes the WAC desires.

What D1's would consider the WAC? And how do they stack up against the D2's in consideration? Seems like a pretty straight forward analysis that the WAC could easily decide on.

Indeed they do, because of quality D2 moveups. Lone Star D2's are not your average bear, and WTAMU is the pick of the litter after Tarleton left. Really can't go wrong with option 2 or 3, either.

In my mind, there are only two teams the WAC should focus on landing... 1A. Weber State; if the WAC can add an FCS school. Or 1B. West Texas A&M; if the next addition has to be a D2 school, any other D2 school would be the WAC settling for less. Angelo State is in the middle of nowhere. Texas A&M Commerce is a small blip in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metro with TCU, SMU, North Texas, and UT Arlington sucking up all the oxygen. Now West Texas A&M is in the small community of Canyon, TX. But they are only 20 miles away from Amarillo, TX (310K Metro population) which doesn't have a Division 1 program in the region. Additionally, WTAM has legit D1 quality facilities which were built for easy expansion in the future.

West Texas A&M...





Texas A&M Commerce...





Angelo State...

(01-25-2021 09:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 09:02 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 06:33 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:19 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2021 04:16 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Understood. I'm just tired of D2's. Let's throw our weight around and get another D1.

For sure I can understand that. However, look at the quality of the 4 D2’s we got. Not exactly USC-Upstate, NJIT, and Houston Baptist.

If it's a quality D2 add then it would be better then a middling D1. WAC has the leeway to be a little more picky with their last add. But it sounds like WT checks most, it not all, of the boxes the WAC desires.

What D1's would consider the WAC? And how do they stack up against the D2's in consideration? Seems like a pretty straight forward analysis that the WAC could easily decide on.

Indeed they do, because of quality D2 moveups. Lone Star D2's are not your average bear, and WTAMU is the pick of the litter after Tarleton left. Really can't go wrong with option 2 or 3, either.

In my mind, there are only two teams the WAC should focus on landing... 1A. Weber State; if the WAC can add an FCS school. Or 1B. West Texas A&M; if the next addition has to be a D2 school, any other D2 school would be the WAC settling for less. Angelo State is in the middle of nowhere. Texas A&M Commerce is a small blip in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metro with TCU, SMU, North Texas, and UT Arlington sucking up all the oxygen. Now West Texas A&M is in the small community of Canyon, TX. But they are only 20 miles away from Amarillo, TX (310K Metro population) which doesn't have a Division 1 program in the region. Additionally, WTAM has legit D1 quality facilities which were built for easy expansion in the future.

West Texas A&M...





Texas A&M Commerce...





Angelo State...

https://www.cosatx.us/departments-services/airport

Angelo State and Texas A&M Commerce stadiums look like high school facilities to me. Below is the the football stadium the high schools in Las Cruces use...

(01-25-2021 10:41 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Angelo State and Texas A&M Commerce stadiums look like high school facilities to me. Below is the the football stadium the high schools in Las Cruces use...

How many 15k capacity HS football stadiums are in NM?
https://texasbob.com/stadium/stadium.php?id=1004

Is San Angelo that much harder to get to than Abilene? They could make decent travel partners.

If the choice was between Lone Star schools and facilities were the only consideration then West Texas A&M would be the choice hands down. Buffalo Stadium is brand new, single-purpose (no track), and expandable to 14,000 seats from the current 8,500-seat capacity. It’s FCS-ready today.