... to set up a final play for the 3?

We had two.

(01-17-2021 05:15 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  ... to set up a final play for the 3?

We had two.

Because he doesn’t have a clue what he is doing????

(01-17-2021 05:16 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-17-2021 05:15 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  ... to set up a final play for the 3?

We had two.

Because he doesn’t have a clue what he is doing????

Ouch!

Great recruiter. Awful Xs and Os

(01-17-2021 05:22 PM)jets521 Wrote:  Great recruiter. Awful Xs and Os

How can you tell. None of the so called 5 stars are playing like it. Neither are the 4 stars. He players don't don't listen to him. Seems to me he is a bad coach because he can't get and hold his teams attention. He coaches like a great player who doesn't assert himself in the locker room because he doesn't want to step on the coaches toes. HE IS THE COACH. He should act like it.

(01-17-2021 05:32 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(01-17-2021 05:22 PM)jets521 Wrote:  Great recruiter. Awful Xs and Os

How can you tell. None of the so called 5 stars are playing like it. Neither are the 4 stars. He players don't don't listen to him. Seems to me he is a bad coach because he can't get and hold his teams attention. He coaches like a great player who doesn't assert himself in the locker room because he doesn't want to step on the coaches toes. HE IS THE COACH. He should act like it.

You don't really understand basketball do you? I mean like the rules and stuff like that.

(01-17-2021 05:36 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(01-17-2021 05:32 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(01-17-2021 05:22 PM)jets521 Wrote:  Great recruiter. Awful Xs and Os

How can you tell. None of the so called 5 stars are playing like it. Neither are the 4 stars. His players don't listen to him. Seems to me he is a bad coach because he can't get and hold his teams attention. He coaches like a great player who doesn't assert himself in the locker room because he doesn't want to step on the coaches toes. HE IS THE COACH. He should act like it.

You don't really understand basketball do you? I mean like the rules and stuff like that.

I am no authority on the rule book and stuff like that, but I was a classmate of Larry Finch and I have been a loyal fan and for many years a season ticket holder of Tiger Basketball. I have been a fan of Penny Hardaway since his years at Treadwall. I played organized Basketball in the Army when I wasn't serving in Vietnam and have been a student of the game for more than the last 5 decades of my life. I am merely stating my opinion about what is wrong with Penny the coach. Once again no authority, but have observed many great coaches, and have played for a very good ones.

X's and O's were fine this game. That's an old narrative that wasn't applicable today. Biggest issues were not "X's and O's". They were:
1. Still herky-jerky with substitutions.
2. Poor use of TO's.
3. No respect from officials. We got out-reffed again (bad foul calls/no-calls, 3-seconds that weren't, jump balls that shouldn't have been, etc.).

TO usage is a philosophy from the NBA of letting the guys control the game. I keep thinking this will improve over time.
He said he was going to shorten the rotation, but he didn't. Of course, we do have a stretch of a lot of games over the next 15 days - so maybe he's trying to preserve legs. Down the stretch, he needs to leave Lance on the bench. And unless Boogie turns it around - I'm REALLY hoping he does - his minutes will need to be limited.
His demeanor just isn't going to get anything from the refs, so that cause is futile.

(01-17-2021 11:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  X's and O's were fine this game. That's an old narrative that wasn't applicable today. Biggest issues were not "X's and O's". They were:
1. Still herky-jerky with substitutions.
2. Poor use of TO's.
3. No respect from officials. We got out-reffed again (bad foul calls/no-calls, 3-seconds that weren't, jump balls that shouldn't have been, etc.).

TO usage is a philosophy from the NBA of letting the guys control the game. I keep thinking this will improve over time.
He said he was going to shorten the rotation, but he didn't. Of course, we do have a stretch of a lot of games over the next 15 days - so maybe he's trying to preserve legs. Down the stretch, he needs to leave Lance on the bench. And unless Boogie turns it around - I'm REALLY hoping he does - his minutes will need to be limited.
His demeanor just isn't going to get anything from the refs, so that cause is futile.

When I was their age---me and my friends played 8-10 hpurs a day every day---legs were not a problem

Has penny ever got a T since he has been coach. All he does is just stand--with a blank stare--usually with hands in pockets. NO FIRE NO EMOTION EVER EVER

(01-17-2021 11:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  X's and O's were fine this game. That's an old narrative that wasn't applicable today. Biggest issues were not "X's and O's". They were:
1. Still herky-jerky with substitutions.
2. Poor use of TO's.
3. No respect from officials. We got out-reffed again (bad foul calls/no-calls, 3-seconds that weren't, jump balls that shouldn't have been, etc.).

TO usage is a philosophy from the NBA of letting the guys control the game. I keep thinking this will improve over time.
He said he was going to shorten the rotation, but he didn't. Of course, we do have a stretch of a lot of games over the next 15 days - so maybe he's trying to preserve legs. Down the stretch, he needs to leave Lance on the bench. And unless Boogie turns it around - I'm REALLY hoping he does - his minutes will need to be limited.
His demeanor just isn't going to get anything from the refs, so that cause is futile.

We had 21 turnovers... I agree our offense looked better and more fluid at times but we still had far too many possessions were the players aimlessly passed the ball around for 20 seconds and then tried to go one on one and forced a terrible shot up. Xs and Os are still a major issue.

(01-18-2021 09:49 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-17-2021 11:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  X's and O's were fine this game. That's an old narrative that wasn't applicable today. Biggest issues were not "X's and O's". They were:
1. Still herky-jerky with substitutions.
2. Poor use of TO's.
3. No respect from officials. We got out-reffed again (bad foul calls/no-calls, 3-seconds that weren't, jump balls that shouldn't have been, etc.).

TO usage is a philosophy from the NBA of letting the guys control the game. I keep thinking this will improve over time.
He said he was going to shorten the rotation, but he didn't. Of course, we do have a stretch of a lot of games over the next 15 days - so maybe he's trying to preserve legs. Down the stretch, he needs to leave Lance on the bench. And unless Boogie turns it around - I'm REALLY hoping he does - his minutes will need to be limited.
His demeanor just isn't going to get anything from the refs, so that cause is futile.

We had 21 turnovers... I agree our offense looked better and more fluid at times but we still had far too many possessions were the players aimlessly passed the ball around for 20 seconds and then tried to go one on one and forced a terrible shot up. Xs and Os are still a major issue.

Disagree.
The TO's mounted up quickly in the 2nd half. The 1st half TO's were a few bogus calls (offensive fouls, 3-seconds, traveling), and a few errant passes. Overall, pretty manageable. The 2nd half though, we tried some goofy passes and it got out of hand - along with more bogus calls.
The way I define X/O's, that was not a reflection of it.

(01-18-2021 10:36 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 09:49 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-17-2021 11:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  X's and O's were fine this game. That's an old narrative that wasn't applicable today. Biggest issues were not "X's and O's". They were:
1. Still herky-jerky with substitutions.
2. Poor use of TO's.
3. No respect from officials. We got out-reffed again (bad foul calls/no-calls, 3-seconds that weren't, jump balls that shouldn't have been, etc.).

TO usage is a philosophy from the NBA of letting the guys control the game. I keep thinking this will improve over time.
He said he was going to shorten the rotation, but he didn't. Of course, we do have a stretch of a lot of games over the next 15 days - so maybe he's trying to preserve legs. Down the stretch, he needs to leave Lance on the bench. And unless Boogie turns it around - I'm REALLY hoping he does - his minutes will need to be limited.
His demeanor just isn't going to get anything from the refs, so that cause is futile.

We had 21 turnovers... I agree our offense looked better and more fluid at times but we still had far too many possessions were the players aimlessly passed the ball around for 20 seconds and then tried to go one on one and forced a terrible shot up. Xs and Os are still a major issue.

Disagree.
The TO's mounted up quickly in the 2nd half. The 1st half TO's were a few bogus calls (offensive fouls, 3-seconds, traveling), and a few errant passes. Overall, pretty manageable. The 2nd half though, we tried some goofy passes and it got out of hand - along with more bogus calls.
The way I define X/O's, that was not a reflection of it.

Ya, except offensive fouls, 3 second calls and so on are products of poor offense... Regardless we have 171 turnovers this year and 168 assists. We are averaging 15.5 turnovers per game. That puts us at 287th in the country in turnovers/game. Point being, this was not a one off outing or one game issue.

A tribute to Finch who loved to take those timeouts with him on the plane home.

When your point guards combine to play 39 minutes, score 2 points on 0-7 shooting, 0-1 free throws (a very crucial miss at that), 3 assists and 4 turnovers; you probably aren't going to win.

(01-18-2021 01:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  When your point guards combine to play 39 minutes, score 2 points on 0-7 shooting, 0-1 free throws (a very crucial miss at that), 3 assists and 4 turnovers; you probably aren't going to win.

I have no idea what to even think about the state of our PG play. Lomax is who he is. He is never going to be a 12-15 ppg scorer but we knew that when he came in. But he should be the solid and dependable ball hawking on defense and ball protection and passer on offense. But he is not. I mean we get a glimpse of it every few games but it is not even close to consistent.

Then you have Boogie. He should be scoring 12-15 ppg with ease. But he seems to be 100% lost on the court at all times. He has absolutely no confidence. He does not drive with authority, he does not shoot like a confident shooter and he just seems to roam aimlessly most of the time.

Alo should be a solid and dependable leader and Boogie should be a consistent playmaker but neither have panned out thus far. I still think there is hope for Boogie but I fully expect him to transfer after this year and in all honestly a change of scenery might be really good for his development.

(01-18-2021 02:49 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  When your point guards combine to play 39 minutes, score 2 points on 0-7 shooting, 0-1 free throws (a very crucial miss at that), 3 assists and 4 turnovers; you probably aren't going to win.

I have no idea what to even think about the state of our PG play. Lomax is who he is. He is never going to be a 12-15 ppg scorer but we knew that when he came in. But he should be the solid and dependable ball hawking on defense and ball protection and passer on offense. But he is not. I mean we get a glimpse of it every few games but it is not even close to consistent.

Then you have Boogie. He should be scoring 12-15 ppg with ease. But he seems to be 100% lost on the court at all times. He has absolutely no confidence. He does not drive with authority, he does not shoot like a confident shooter and he just seems to roam aimlessly most of the time.

Alo should be a solid and dependable leader and Boogie should be a consistent playmaker but neither have panned out thus far. I still think there is hope for Boogie but I fully expect him to transfer after this year and in all honestly a change of scenery might be really good for his development.

Posters weren't making a big deal out of it when he chose Gonzaga, but Nembhard would have completely changed our team. He is the one recruit/transfer we couldn't afford to miss.

Andrew Nembhard

All we need is one or two more 5-star guys, then we could beat Tulsa and finish in the top 4 of the conference.

The. Problem. Is. Not. Talent.

(01-18-2021 03:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 02:49 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  When your point guards combine to play 39 minutes, score 2 points on 0-7 shooting, 0-1 free throws (a very crucial miss at that), 3 assists and 4 turnovers; you probably aren't going to win.

I have no idea what to even think about the state of our PG play. Lomax is who he is. He is never going to be a 12-15 ppg scorer but we knew that when he came in. But he should be the solid and dependable ball hawking on defense and ball protection and passer on offense. But he is not. I mean we get a glimpse of it every few games but it is not even close to consistent.

Then you have Boogie. He should be scoring 12-15 ppg with ease. But he seems to be 100% lost on the court at all times. He has absolutely no confidence. He does not drive with authority, he does not shoot like a confident shooter and he just seems to roam aimlessly most of the time.

Alo should be a solid and dependable leader and Boogie should be a consistent playmaker but neither have panned out thus far. I still think there is hope for Boogie but I fully expect him to transfer after this year and in all honestly a change of scenery might be really good for his development.

Posters weren't making a big deal out of it when he chose Gonzaga, but Nembhard would have completely changed our team. He is the one recruit/transfer we couldn't afford to miss.

Andrew Nembhard

I do not recall recruiting him specifically but I do not follow recruiting terribly closely. I think losing Tyler Harris was a massive blow. He was the one player on the roster with a true scorers mentality and who could score us out these droughts by himself.

(01-18-2021 04:31 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 03:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 02:49 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  When your point guards combine to play 39 minutes, score 2 points on 0-7 shooting, 0-1 free throws (a very crucial miss at that), 3 assists and 4 turnovers; you probably aren't going to win.

I have no idea what to even think about the state of our PG play. Lomax is who he is. He is never going to be a 12-15 ppg scorer but we knew that when he came in. But he should be the solid and dependable ball hawking on defense and ball protection and passer on offense. But he is not. I mean we get a glimpse of it every few games but it is not even close to consistent.

Then you have Boogie. He should be scoring 12-15 ppg with ease. But he seems to be 100% lost on the court at all times. He has absolutely no confidence. He does not drive with authority, he does not shoot like a confident shooter and he just seems to roam aimlessly most of the time.

Alo should be a solid and dependable leader and Boogie should be a consistent playmaker but neither have panned out thus far. I still think there is hope for Boogie but I fully expect him to transfer after this year and in all honestly a change of scenery might be really good for his development.

Posters weren't making a big deal out of it when he chose Gonzaga, but Nembhard would have completely changed our team. He is the one recruit/transfer we couldn't afford to miss.

Andrew Nembhard

I do not recall recruiting him specifically but I do not follow recruiting terribly closely. I think losing Tyler Harris was a massive blow. He was the one player on the roster with a true scorers mentality and who could score us out these droughts by himself.

He may be finding that the grass isn’t always greener. After starting the first 3 games, he’s come off the bench in the last 6. 3 of the last 4 games he hasn’t scored. Plus Iowa St isn’t very good. 0-5 in conference and 2-7 overall.

Thru 9 games @ Memphis last year:
20.4 minutes
36.4 fg%
41.0 3fg%
1.6 R
.67 A
.67 S
9 ppg

Thru 9 games @ Iowa St.
20.0 minutes
35.0 fg%
32.5 3fg%
1.3 R
.80 A
.90 S
5.9 ppg

AND 16° with snow tonight.

(01-18-2021 02:49 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 01:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  When your point guards combine to play 39 minutes, score 2 points on 0-7 shooting, 0-1 free throws (a very crucial miss at that), 3 assists and 4 turnovers; you probably aren't going to win.

I have no idea what to even think about the state of our PG play. Lomax is who he is. He is never going to be a 12-15 ppg scorer but we knew that when he came in. But he should be the solid and dependable ball hawking on defense and ball protection and passer on offense. But he is not. I mean we get a glimpse of it every few games but it is not even close to consistent.

Then you have Boogie. He should be scoring 12-15 ppg with ease. But he seems to be 100% lost on the court at all times. He has absolutely no confidence. He does not drive with authority, he does not shoot like a confident shooter and he just seems to roam aimlessly most of the time.

Alo should be a solid and dependable leader and Boogie should be a consistent playmaker but neither have panned out thus far. I still think there is hope for Boogie but I fully expect him to transfer after this year and in all honestly a change of scenery might be really good for his development.

ALo is NOT a good on-ball defender. Competent ballhandlers absolutely roast him 1 on 1 and experienced PGs put him in a P&R torture chamber.

Idk what the deal is with Boogie. I agree he looks absolutely lost at all times and somehow has regressed aa an attacker off the dribble. Honestly wouldnt be surprised if every guard not named Lomax or Hardaway left the team.