(01-07-2021 05:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 04:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 02:51 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Great news for the WAC. They pulled themselves from near extinction and are now raiding the SLC for members. Amazing turnaround.

This is not really the WAC raiding the SLC. It's a group of disaffected SLC schools appropriating the WAC for their own whims and desires.

Call it what it is, a raid.

That suggests the WAC is the party in power, whereas it's actually the defecting schools that are more powerful.

Lol ok, that's not how this works. A group of 4 can't "defect" their way into a conference. All these years of the WAC sitting there and just now these schools want to "defect" to the WAC? Sure. It's a raid, and kudos to the WAC for pulling it off.

(01-07-2021 05:49 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 04:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 02:51 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Great news for the WAC. They pulled themselves from near extinction and are now raiding the SLC for members. Amazing turnaround.

This is not really the WAC raiding the SLC. It's a group of disaffected SLC schools appropriating the WAC for their own whims and desires.

Call it what it is, a raid.

That suggests the WAC is the party in power, whereas it's actually the defecting schools that are more powerful.

Lol ok, that's not how this works. A group of 4 can't "defect" their way into a conference. All these years of the WAC sitting there and just now these schools want to "defect" to the WAC? Sure. It's a raid, and kudos to the WAC for pulling it off.

Well, it's clear you're not understanding the balance of power. "Self-kidnapping" would be more accurate a term, as the previous poster suggested.

(01-07-2021 05:49 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 04:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 02:51 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Great news for the WAC. They pulled themselves from near extinction and are now raiding the SLC for members. Amazing turnaround.

This is not really the WAC raiding the SLC. It's a group of disaffected SLC schools appropriating the WAC for their own whims and desires.

Call it what it is, a raid.

That suggests the WAC is the party in power, whereas it's actually the defecting schools that are more powerful.

Lol ok, that's not how this works. A group of 4 can't "defect" their way into a conference. All these years of the WAC sitting there and just now these schools want to "defect" to the WAC? Sure. It's a raid, and kudos to the WAC for pulling it off.

I think of it as a mutually beneficial kind of arrangement between the Texas 4 and the WAC. The WAC wanted to expand, and the Texas 4 were looking for a way out of a sinking Southland.

(01-07-2021 05:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 04:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 02:51 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Great news for the WAC. They pulled themselves from near extinction and are now raiding the SLC for members. Amazing turnaround.

This is not really the WAC raiding the SLC. It's a group of disaffected SLC schools appropriating the WAC for their own whims and desires.

Call it what it is, a raid.

That suggests the WAC is the party in power, whereas it's actually the defecting schools that are more powerful.

Thats your opinion.

(01-07-2021 06:41 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 04:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 02:51 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Great news for the WAC. They pulled themselves from near extinction and are now raiding the SLC for members. Amazing turnaround.

This is not really the WAC raiding the SLC. It's a group of disaffected SLC schools appropriating the WAC for their own whims and desires.

Call it what it is, a raid.

That suggests the WAC is the party in power, whereas it's actually the defecting schools that are more powerful.

Thats your opinion.

As Isaac Asimov said, a difference that makes no difference is no difference. Whether it's a raid or a defection, a marriage is coming between SUU, the Texas 4 and the WAC (except probably Chicago State). What matters is how this changes conference stability and perceived reputations. IMHO it will remove all questions of the WAC's continued survival, move it a step above the Southland and put it on course to become a legitimate rival for the Big Sky.

(01-07-2021 05:49 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 04:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 02:51 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Great news for the WAC. They pulled themselves from near extinction and are now raiding the SLC for members. Amazing turnaround.

This is not really the WAC raiding the SLC. It's a group of disaffected SLC schools appropriating the WAC for their own whims and desires.

Call it what it is, a raid.

That suggests the WAC is the party in power, whereas it's actually the defecting schools that are more powerful.

Lol ok, that's not how this works. A group of 4 can't "defect" their way into a conference. All these years of the WAC sitting there and just now these schools want to "defect" to the WAC? Sure. It's a raid, and kudos to the WAC for pulling it off.

Sure, they need an invite. But I think the point is now they can act as a voting block in the new WAC.

I can't think of any recent examples of that happening, though. That definitely did not happen with the Sun Belt schools that went to CUSA.

The WAC raided the Southland just as much as the TX4 fled a conference situation they were unhappy with for a tradition-rich conference with an established brand.

Okay. Lets list of targets that the WAC are looking at.

California to be with California Baptist.
UC-Davis
Sacramento State
Cal. Poly
CSU-LA

Arizona:
Northern Arizona

Utah:
Southern Utah
Weber State

Colorado:
Colorado Mesa
Northern Colorado
CSU-Peublo
Metro State
Colorado-Colorado Springs

Texas:
West Texas A&M
Angelo State
Commerce
Kingsville

Oklahoma:
Central Oklahoma

Arkansas:
UCA

South Dakota:
Augustana

FBS inspiration schools?
MVFC tried in the past do a merger with the WAC in the past. The sticking point that fell through was the Idaho angle. They wanted Idaho to be gone from the WAC then.

MVFC/WAC FBS football merger.

East:
Youngstown State
Indiana State
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Murray State

Central:
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
SDSU

South Central:
Sam Houston State
SFAU
Lamar
Tarleton State
UCA
UTRGV

West:
West Texas A&M
New Mexico State
Northern Arizona
Dixie State
Southern Utah
Weber State/Colorado Mesa/Northern Colorado

7 years down the road, the MVFC can buy the naming rights to the original MVC as a former 1A all sports FBS conference again and moved the none-football schools to the Summit League and add Chicago State to SLC.

If the top three schools can't get a better tv deal for basketball? Gonzaga, Saint Mary's and BYU go to the MWC. That opens the door for Seattle, California Baptist and Grand Canyon to WCC.

(01-07-2021 07:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 06:41 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:38 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 04:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  This is not really the WAC raiding the SLC. It's a group of disaffected SLC schools appropriating the WAC for their own whims and desires.

Call it what it is, a raid.

That suggests the WAC is the party in power, whereas it's actually the defecting schools that are more powerful.

Thats your opinion.

As Isaac Asimov said, a difference that makes no difference is no difference. Whether it's a raid or a defection, a marriage is coming between SUU, the Texas 4 and the WAC (except probably Chicago State). What matters is how this changes conference stability and perceived reputations. IMHO it will remove all questions of the WAC's continued survival, move it a step above the Southland and put it on course to become a legitimate rival for the Big Sky.

Thats right. For the longest time many have seen the WAC as nothing more than the Island of Misfit Toys.

The Southland was considered a stable conference due to it being an FCS league and also to its sheer numbers.

The WAC now has some numbers and they can afford to lose members like Chicago St, Seattle and possibly their centerpiece NMSU.

Hey, ESPN offers a WAC football schedule for 2020! And you can see schedules from 2013 to 2019 too!

http://www.espn.com/college-football/con...conference

It seems to be just collecting the games played by the last schools to play WAC football in 2012: Idaho, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Texas State, Utah State, and UTSA.

(01-07-2021 07:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay. Lets list of targets that the WAC are looking at.

California to be with California Baptist.
UC-Davis
Sacramento State
Cal. Poly
CSU-LA

Arizona:
Northern Arizona

Utah:
Southern Utah
Weber State

Colorado:
Colorado Mesa
Northern Colorado
CSU-Peublo
Metro State
Colorado-Colorado Springs

Texas:
West Texas A&M
Angelo State
Commerce
Kingsville

Oklahoma:
Central Oklahoma

Arkansas:
UCA

South Dakota:
Augustana

FBS inspiration schools?
MVFC tried in the past do a merger with the WAC in the past. The sticking point that fell through was the Idaho angle. They wanted Idaho to be gone from the WAC then.

MVFC/WAC FBS football merger.

East:
Youngstown State
Indiana State
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Murray State

Central:
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
SDSU

South Central:
Sam Houston State
SFAU
Lamar
Tarleton State
UCA
UTRGV

West:
West Texas A&M
New Mexico State
Northern Arizona
Dixie State
Southern Utah
Weber State/Colorado Mesa/Northern Colorado

7 years down the road, the MVFC can buy the naming rights to the original MVC as a former 1A all sports FBS conference again and moved the none-football schools to the Summit League and add Chicago State to SLC.

If the top three schools can't get a better tv deal for basketball? Gonzaga, Saint Mary's and BYU go to the MWC. That opens the door for Seattle, California Baptist and Grand Canyon to WCC.

Here we go. Mr Fordham, Villanova, and Georgetown to the WAC.

(01-07-2021 10:04 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 07:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay. Lets list of targets that the WAC are looking at.

California to be with California Baptist.
UC-Davis
Sacramento State
Cal. Poly
CSU-LA

Arizona:
Northern Arizona

Utah:
Southern Utah
Weber State

Colorado:
Colorado Mesa
Northern Colorado
CSU-Peublo
Metro State
Colorado-Colorado Springs

Texas:
West Texas A&M
Angelo State
Commerce
Kingsville

Oklahoma:
Central Oklahoma

Arkansas:
UCA

South Dakota:
Augustana

FBS inspiration schools?
MVFC tried in the past do a merger with the WAC in the past. The sticking point that fell through was the Idaho angle. They wanted Idaho to be gone from the WAC then.

MVFC/WAC FBS football merger.

East:
Youngstown State
Indiana State
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Murray State

Central:
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
SDSU

South Central:
Sam Houston State
SFAU
Lamar
Tarleton State
UCA
UTRGV

West:
West Texas A&M
New Mexico State
Northern Arizona
Dixie State
Southern Utah
Weber State/Colorado Mesa/Northern Colorado

7 years down the road, the MVFC can buy the naming rights to the original MVC as a former 1A all sports FBS conference again and moved the none-football schools to the Summit League and add Chicago State to SLC.

If the top three schools can't get a better tv deal for basketball? Gonzaga, Saint Mary's and BYU go to the MWC. That opens the door for Seattle, California Baptist and Grand Canyon to WCC.

Here we go. Mr Fordham, Villanova, and Georgetown to the WAC.

What leads you to believe Murray St wants to play FBS football? Source?
EKU is the only one of the remaining KY FCS schools that has pursued FBS football.

I get the feeling that NMSU is sitting back saying, if this is the eventual FBS conference we will be in, we are out...may not be saying it, but I'm sure their thinking it...

(01-07-2021 09:07 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Hey, ESPN offers a WAC football schedule for 2020! And you can see schedules from 2013 to 2019 too!

http://www.espn.com/college-football/con...conference

It seems to be just collecting the games played by the last schools to play WAC football in 2012: Idaho, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Texas State, Utah State, and UTSA.

That actually gives me an idea—going back and hypothetically crowning a WAC champion for each of those season based upon each of those 7 programs’ performances.

(01-07-2021 10:37 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  I get the feeling that NMSU is sitting back saying, if this is the eventual FBS conference we will be in, we are out...may not be saying it, but I'm sure their thinking it...

NMSU will take any FBS conference. That said, if there’s ever a WAC FBS movement, I can’t imagine Dixie St or especially SUU would ever be involved.

(01-07-2021 11:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 10:37 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  I get the feeling that NMSU is sitting back saying, if this is the eventual FBS conference we will be in, we are out...may not be saying it, but I'm sure their thinking it...

NMSU will take any FBS conference. That said, if there’s ever a WAC FBS movement, I can’t imagine Dixie St or especially SUU would ever be involved.

I cant imagine any of them tbh. There hasn't been any push for any of these schools before. Why now? Just because they're not happy with the LA schools and UIW and HBU doesnt necessarily mean that they're going to improve their funding, facilities, fanbase, etc.

(01-07-2021 05:46 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 05:37 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 04:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 03:21 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Northern Arizona makes the most sense. The geography of it is clear.

Also the weather...play in mostly relatively warm climes or play in the Northwest all year? Choose the less icy weather.

The winter weather at NAU resembles the winter weather at Weber State or Idaho State far more closely than the winter weather at Lamar or UTRGV.

Also, the driving distance from NAU to WAC schools, especially the ones in Texas as well as Seattle, is greater than the distance from NAU to Montana.

(01-07-2021 04:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 03:21 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Northern Arizona makes the most sense. The geography of it is clear.

Also the weather...play in mostly relatively warm climes or play in the Northwest all year? Choose the less icy weather.

FWIW, Flagstaff (Northern Arizona) is in no way like most places in Arizona. It is almost 7,000 feet above sea level.

In the summer, when it is 110 degrees in Phoenix and Tucson, it is a mild 80-85 in Flagstaff. In the winter, it is cold and often windy, highs in the 40s with nighttime lows in the teens. Flagstaff gets over 8 feet of snow on average during the winter.

I've actually been to Flagstaff many years ago. Nice little community, beautiful, and I was shocked to find that Arizona wasn't just one big desert with cacti everywhere. The TV of my youth lied to me!...lol

Yes, it is cold and snowy there, but that's not what I'm talking about. Most athletes would rather live and play in more comfortable climates. Flagstaff isn't 100% perfectly ideal for that, but if you're an athlete from a warm climate then would you rather play closer to home or spend all your time traveling to climates that are even colder than your own campus?

NAU can't alter Flagstaff's weather, but they can make themselves more appealing to a higher percentage of athletes by cutting themselves away from the Northwestern teams.

Some of the travel distances wouldn't be ideal, but the Big Sky isn't remotely ideal either. I've spent a lot of time driving through much of the American West. It's a lot of beautiful territory, but some of the distances are deceiving. A lot of those mountainous roads are not quick to travel on...even some of the interstates. The Southwest and especially TX is very different. Most of it is flat and it leaves plenty of space to route highways around the most difficult terrain. Actually, smaller airports are more prevalent in the West because the large cities are few are far between, but that doesn't mean everyone drives everywhere.

Not to mention, Southern Utah and Dixie State would be fairly short trips. New Mexico State isn't really that far. By comparison, Ogden(home of Weber State is an 8 and half hour drive. Las Cruces is 7 and a half. Seattle is a long trip, but so are Idaho, Montana, Montana State, and Northern Colorado.

We'll see if a couple of the CA schools go for the WAC and then it will really be a slam dunk.

The TX schools wouldn't be a short trip, but the travel distances are mostly a wash.

Over the years NAU has recruited SoCal pretty well, so not sure that climate argument holds up. I'm not sure which conference would be more beneficial for NAU on the recruiting trail as they've been competitive in multiple sports in the BSC, but having regular games in PHX and the Inland Empire (CBU) wouldn't hurt. They'd no doubt pull some talent from TX as well.

That said they've been in the BSC all these years, I think it would be a hard sell to see them wanting to move now. But stranger things have happened...

Fair point, but the conference options in that part of the world have been limited.

The WAC restarting football would present an option that hasn't existed in some time. Assuming they aspire to FBS, and it is an assumption, then the WAC is a better vehicle.

I think to the issue of climate...Flagstaff isn't far from Southern CA so it makes sense they've gotten some players. But would they get more if their games stretched from CA to TX rather than CA to MT?

(01-07-2021 10:17 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 10:04 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 07:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay. Lets list of targets that the WAC are looking at.

California to be with California Baptist.
UC-Davis
Sacramento State
Cal. Poly
CSU-LA

Arizona:
Northern Arizona

Utah:
Southern Utah
Weber State

Colorado:
Colorado Mesa
Northern Colorado
CSU-Peublo
Metro State
Colorado-Colorado Springs

Texas:
West Texas A&M
Angelo State
Commerce
Kingsville

Oklahoma:
Central Oklahoma

Arkansas:
UCA

South Dakota:
Augustana

FBS inspiration schools?
MVFC tried in the past do a merger with the WAC in the past. The sticking point that fell through was the Idaho angle. They wanted Idaho to be gone from the WAC then.

MVFC/WAC FBS football merger.

East:
Youngstown State
Indiana State
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Murray State

Central:
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
SDSU

South Central:
Sam Houston State
SFAU
Lamar
Tarleton State
UCA
UTRGV

West:
West Texas A&M
New Mexico State
Northern Arizona
Dixie State
Southern Utah
Weber State/Colorado Mesa/Northern Colorado

7 years down the road, the MVFC can buy the naming rights to the original MVC as a former 1A all sports FBS conference again and moved the none-football schools to the Summit League and add Chicago State to SLC.

If the top three schools can't get a better tv deal for basketball? Gonzaga, Saint Mary's and BYU go to the MWC. That opens the door for Seattle, California Baptist and Grand Canyon to WCC.

Here we go. Mr Fordham, Villanova, and Georgetown to the WAC.

What leads you to believe Murray St wants to play FBS football? Source?
EKU is the only one of the remaining KY FCS schools that has pursued FBS football.

MVC football schools want Murray State, not Eastern Kentucky.

(01-08-2021 02:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 10:17 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 10:04 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-07-2021 07:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay. Lets list of targets that the WAC are looking at.

California to be with California Baptist.
UC-Davis
Sacramento State
Cal. Poly
CSU-LA

Arizona:
Northern Arizona

Utah:
Southern Utah
Weber State

Colorado:
Colorado Mesa
Northern Colorado
CSU-Peublo
Metro State
Colorado-Colorado Springs

Texas:
West Texas A&M
Angelo State
Commerce
Kingsville

Oklahoma:
Central Oklahoma

Arkansas:
UCA

South Dakota:
Augustana

FBS inspiration schools?
MVFC tried in the past do a merger with the WAC in the past. The sticking point that fell through was the Idaho angle. They wanted Idaho to be gone from the WAC then.

MVFC/WAC FBS football merger.

East:
Youngstown State
Indiana State
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Murray State

Central:
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
SDSU

South Central:
Sam Houston State
SFAU
Lamar
Tarleton State
UCA
UTRGV

West:
West Texas A&M
New Mexico State
Northern Arizona
Dixie State
Southern Utah
Weber State/Colorado Mesa/Northern Colorado

7 years down the road, the MVFC can buy the naming rights to the original MVC as a former 1A all sports FBS conference again and moved the none-football schools to the Summit League and add Chicago State to SLC.

If the top three schools can't get a better tv deal for basketball? Gonzaga, Saint Mary's and BYU go to the MWC. That opens the door for Seattle, California Baptist and Grand Canyon to WCC.

Here we go. Mr Fordham, Villanova, and Georgetown to the WAC.

What leads you to believe Murray St wants to play FBS football? Source?
EKU is the only one of the remaining KY FCS schools that has pursued FBS football.

MVC football schools want Murray State, not Eastern Kentucky.

You missed my point by a mile. I was not suggesting EKU going to the MVC.

They wanted Murray for basketball with Belmont. Belmont decided it was not in their best interest.
As far as I know there is no interest of the MVFC to add Murray to their football roster.

https://247sports.com/college/north-dako...133770261/

Article from 2019 reference NDSU and any potential FBS move.

Does the A Sun potential group just start an Eastern WAC? EKU, UCA, JSU, Kennesaw, UNA and maybe Youngstown or other schools who have had interest in FBS.