(01-03-2021 01:24 PM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  You talking Rob Judson? our last Top 25 win, the last time we've won the regular MAC and one of our only two winning records in the last two decades? The guy who coached with the best attendance records at the Convo? I'd like to think Judson was a fairly good coach, all things considered during his tenure.

Last top 25, or in fact, top 15 win was in 2019, under Montgomery.

Judson was bad. Just because he was the tallest midget of the recent head coaches doesn't make him good.

One can argue that Judson helped set the downward trend.

Do we need to discuss how Judson couldn't get the correct number of players on the court?

Another possibility could be Rashon Burno. He was a long-time assistant at DePaul (so...he might be in line to replace Leito if he gets the can). Burno also started his coaching career at Marmion Academy in Aurora.

Another local guy is Jon Scheyer who played HS ball at Glenbrook North.

(01-03-2021 01:14 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:12 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Didn't Bob Knight do the same thing then coach at Texas Tech? Either way, coaches get second chances all the time. Look at Pitino who is back as a D1 coach.

Pitino wasn't physically assaulting people and Bob Knight was hired by Texas Tech 20 years ago. The world has changed a lot since then.

Yes, world has changed but easy and vast access to media and information has made yesterday's news old. People will forget his transgressions and he will be a head coach again, if he wants it. Coaches don't keep their jobs in college because they are nice guys. They keep their jobs because they are winning. If you aren't winning you are gone. There will always be a demand for coaches who have proven they can win.

(01-03-2021 01:47 PM)Big Red Wrote:  Another possibility could be Rashon Burno. He was a long-time assistant at DePaul (so...he might be in line to replace Leito if he gets the can). Burno also started his coaching career at Marmion Academy in Aurora.

Another local guy is Jon Scheyer who played HS ball at Glenbrook North.

Jon Scheyer is AHC at Duke and I highly suspect already well beyond what we will be paying. He will go directly to a high-major job, similar to what Wojo did at Marquette. Wojo makes $1.775M at Marquette. That isn’t our ballpark.

Best wishes to Monty and his family, but..........HALLELUJAH!!!

(01-03-2021 01:36 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:05 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 12:18 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 12:11 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 12:07 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  I like Chin Coleman’s profile and he would be doable.

https://fightingillini.com/sports/mens-b...leman/1262

The last Illinois assistant coach we hired didn't do any better than MM.

Please explain what one has to do with the other.

We've hired two assistant coaches from Big Ten programs and neither did all that well. Let's go get someone with proven winning as a head coach.

You aren’t getting a proven D1 HC for our $300K. And a winner from any other level isn’t “proven”.......that is not to say they won’t be successful. Given what we can pay, our options don’t include a proven D1 coach.

As an example, Scott Nagy, a successful and proven HC, makes $501K at Wright State, far beyond Monty’s $326K.

We can find our Lance Leipold. There is someone out there that is a winner at a lower level who wants to move up. There are assistant coaches in college basketball making more than MM. Doesn't mean NIU shouldn’t and can't go after them if they want a head coaching job. If we set our expectations low on who we can get then you end up with another coach who doesn't win at NIU.

(01-03-2021 01:53 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:14 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:12 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Didn't Bob Knight do the same thing then coach at Texas Tech? Either way, coaches get second chances all the time. Look at Pitino who is back as a D1 coach.

Pitino wasn't physically assaulting people and Bob Knight was hired by Texas Tech 20 years ago. The world has changed a lot since then.

Yes, world has changed but easy and vast access to media and information has made yesterday's news old. People will forget his transgressions and he will be a head coach again, if he wants it. Coaches don't keep their jobs in college because they are nice guys. They keep their jobs because they are winning. If you aren't winning you are gone. There will always be a demand for coaches who have proven they can win.

Today's world is one that NEVER forgets. People dig up old tweets from when people were 14 years old and try to ruin careers.

People aren't just going to forget that he physically assaulted staff and students at Wichita.

Also....he's NEVER going to consider coaching at NIU.

I like Brandon Watkins(now assistant at BGSU, and he did well for us)...or Ron Nored(Butler) current assistant for the Charlotte Hornets...I want younger guys that we can afford and have a pedigree.

(01-03-2021 01:53 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Yes, world has changed but easy and vast access to media and information has made yesterday's news old. People will forget his transgressions and he will be a head coach again, if he wants it. Coaches don't keep their jobs in college because they are nice guys. They keep their jobs because they are winning. If you aren't winning you are gone. There will always be a demand for coaches who have proven they can win.

There is a difference between not being a nice guy and physically assaulting players, coaches, and other student athletes, in addition to the verbal and racist abuse he directed towards his players.

(01-03-2021 01:54 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:47 PM)Big Red Wrote:  Another possibility could be Rashon Burno. He was a long-time assistant at DePaul (so...he might be in line to replace Leito if he gets the can). Burno also started his coaching career at Marmion Academy in Aurora.

Another local guy is Jon Scheyer who played HS ball at Glenbrook North.

Jon Scheyer is AHC at Duke and I highly suspect already well beyond what we will be paying. He will go directly to a high-major job, similar to what Wojo did at Marquette. Wojo makes $1.775M at Marquette. That isn’t our ballpark.

I think he may as well, but I don't know. He's been there for something like 6 seasons so, I have no idea. I was just looking at guys with local ties who were top assistants.

He could also very well be in line to take over DePaul if Leito gets canned. Obviously DePaul could offer gobs more than NIU could. But who knows. If Burno goes there then that closes that one up for a while.

Yeah, he could just stick it out at Duke waiting for K to retire but that could be a long time down the road and he may not want to wait that long.

But I do agree, with NIU offering less than what Horizon League coaches get paid really trims the list of possible coaches down a lot.

(01-03-2021 02:08 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:53 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:14 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:12 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Didn't Bob Knight do the same thing then coach at Texas Tech? Either way, coaches get second chances all the time. Look at Pitino who is back as a D1 coach.

Pitino wasn't physically assaulting people and Bob Knight was hired by Texas Tech 20 years ago. The world has changed a lot since then.

Yes, world has changed but easy and vast access to media and information has made yesterday's news old. People will forget his transgressions and he will be a head coach again, if he wants it. Coaches don't keep their jobs in college because they are nice guys. They keep their jobs because they are winning. If you aren't winning you are gone. There will always be a demand for coaches who have proven they can win.

Today's world is one that NEVER forgets. People dig up old tweets from when people were 14 years old and try to ruin careers.

People aren't just going to forget that he physically assaulted staff and students at Wichita.

Also....he's NEVER going to consider coaching at NIU.

In the regular working world, I agree. What you say and do can ruin your career. But sports and politics are a different world. Kareem Hunt is back in the NFL after domestic abuse. Ray Lewis was still playing in the NFL. For some reason in sports, people don't care what you did as long as you win. There are second chances all the time in sports.

(01-03-2021 02:11 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:53 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Yes, world has changed but easy and vast access to media and information has made yesterday's news old. People will forget his transgressions and he will be a head coach again, if he wants it. Coaches don't keep their jobs in college because they are nice guys. They keep their jobs because they are winning. If you aren't winning you are gone. There will always be a demand for coaches who have proven they can win.

There is a difference between not being a nice guy and physically assaulting players, coaches, and other student athletes, in addition to the verbal and racist abuse he directed towards his players.

I'm not saying what he did was right. But I would not be surprised to see him coach again.

Baffled at some jumping to his defense in those tweets. I think you’d have to be clueless if you can’t get on board with this decision or at least understand it. (1) +.500 conf season in 10 is inexcusable. Had he not landed geno he would have been gone years back. I wish him the best but it simply had to be done. I’m sure this is overstated but find someone from CPS that is well respected and can make in roads there. The Mac could be consistently won pulling talent from the Chicagoland area.

(01-03-2021 02:01 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:36 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:05 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 12:18 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 12:11 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  The last Illinois assistant coach we hired didn't do any better than MM.

Please explain what one has to do with the other.

We've hired two assistant coaches from Big Ten programs and neither did all that well. Let's go get someone with proven winning as a head coach.

You aren’t getting a proven D1 HC for our $300K. And a winner from any other level isn’t “proven”.......that is not to say they won’t be successful. Given what we can pay, our options don’t include a proven D1 coach.

As an example, Scott Nagy, a successful and proven HC, makes $501K at Wright State, far beyond Monty’s $326K.

We can find our Lance Leipold. There is someone out there that is a winner at a lower level who wants to move up. There are assistant coaches in college basketball making more than MM. Doesn't mean NIU shouldn’t and can't go after them if they want a head coaching job. If we set our expectations low on who we can get then you end up with another coach who doesn't win at NIU.

I agree with this, but, getting a lower level, successful coach isn’t a “proven” hire. Leipold, with seven national championships, had an incredibly high level of success, which may, or may not, have transferred to D1 (obviously, in his case it did). I also believe recruiting at the D1 level is different, with a much smaller pool of players.

I think our own WBB coach is struggling for this very reason. The margin for error in recruiting at the D1 level is much smaller.

(01-03-2021 02:19 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 02:11 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:53 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Yes, world has changed but easy and vast access to media and information has made yesterday's news old. People will forget his transgressions and he will be a head coach again, if he wants it. Coaches don't keep their jobs in college because they are nice guys. They keep their jobs because they are winning. If you aren't winning you are gone. There will always be a demand for coaches who have proven they can win.

There is a difference between not being a nice guy and physically assaulting players, coaches, and other student athletes, in addition to the verbal and racist abuse he directed towards his players.

I'm not saying what he did was right. But I would not be surprised to see him coach again.

That’s fine, but, I would not be willing to sell my soul......he can do it elsewhere.

(01-03-2021 01:05 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 12:59 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  They owe him his salary even if he gets another job. Similarto Charlie Weis who was paid millions not to coach at Notre Dame while he coached at Kansas. Then Kansas fired him and ND and Kansas were both paying him not to coach.

I don't think it matters, I doubt Gregg Marshall ever gets another college job after what transpired at Wichita State. The guy was physically assaulting people.

Absolutely will get hired again. Most schools care about one thing and that’s winning. He will get a second chance as all coaches usually do. I think Bruce pearl even got his 3rd chance with Auburn.

(01-03-2021 02:29 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  Absolutely will get hired again. Most schools care about one thing and that’s winning. He will get a second chance as all coaches usually do. I think Bruce pearl even got his 3rd chance with Auburn.

Bruce Pearl didn't physically attack his own players and coaches. There's a massive gulf between committing NCAA violations and punching your own players and choking your assistants.

(01-03-2021 02:17 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 02:08 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:53 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:14 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:12 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Didn't Bob Knight do the same thing then coach at Texas Tech? Either way, coaches get second chances all the time. Look at Pitino who is back as a D1 coach.

Pitino wasn't physically assaulting people and Bob Knight was hired by Texas Tech 20 years ago. The world has changed a lot since then.

Yes, world has changed but easy and vast access to media and information has made yesterday's news old. People will forget his transgressions and he will be a head coach again, if he wants it. Coaches don't keep their jobs in college because they are nice guys. They keep their jobs because they are winning. If you aren't winning you are gone. There will always be a demand for coaches who have proven they can win.

Today's world is one that NEVER forgets. People dig up old tweets from when people were 14 years old and try to ruin careers.

People aren't just going to forget that he physically assaulted staff and students at Wichita.

Also....he's NEVER going to consider coaching at NIU.

In the regular working world, I agree. What you say and do can ruin your career. But sports and politics are a different world. Kareem Hunt is back in the NFL after domestic abuse. Ray Lewis was still playing in the NFL. For some reason in sports, people don't care what you did as long as you win. There are second chances all the time in sports.

NIU is a public university with coaches paid for with tax money.

You are comparing high profile professional sports with NIU...

If it helps, if NIU hires Gregg Marshall as their next head basketball coach, I'll buy you a steak dinner.

(01-03-2021 02:23 PM)DPD Wrote:  Baffled at some jumping to his defense in those tweets. I think you’d have to be clueless if you can’t get on board with this decision or at least understand it. (1) +.500 conf season in 10 is inexcusable. Had he not landed geno he would have been gone years back. I wish him the best but it simply had to be done. I’m sure this is overstated but find someone from CPS that is well respected and can make in roads there. The Mac could be consistently won pulling talent from the Chicagoland area.

Nick Irvin is the assistant coach at Western Illinois....

(01-03-2021 02:12 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:54 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 01:47 PM)Big Red Wrote:  Another possibility could be Rashon Burno. He was a long-time assistant at DePaul (so...he might be in line to replace Leito if he gets the can). Burno also started his coaching career at Marmion Academy in Aurora.

Another local guy is Jon Scheyer who played HS ball at Glenbrook North.

Jon Scheyer is AHC at Duke and I highly suspect already well beyond what we will be paying. He will go directly to a high-major job, similar to what Wojo did at Marquette. Wojo makes $1.775M at Marquette. That isn’t our ballpark.

I think he may as well, but I don't know. He's been there for something like 6 seasons so, I have no idea. I was just looking at guys with local ties who were top assistants.

He could also very well be in line to take over DePaul if Leito gets canned. Obviously DePaul could offer gobs more than NIU could. But who knows. If Burno goes there then that closes that one up for a while.

Yeah, he could just stick it out at Duke waiting for K to retire but that could be a long time down the road and he may not want to wait that long.

But I do agree, with NIU offering less than what Horizon League coaches get paid really trims the list of possible coaches down a lot.

OMG. Jon Scheyer!?!?!

I was in high school when he played against us. I feel old.