Either BSU can't find a conference that will accept their olympic sports or
Aresco said no to BSU.

Aug. 28 Larrondo to AD Apsey: Athletics 2020 and Beyond
Sep. 28 Larrondo to AD how moving to the conference might work
Sep. 29 Apsey: AAC has told Dr. (Marlene) Tromp they are only interested in football
Oct. 21 Apsey’s departure from AD
Dec. 21 Source: If they could find a place for the other sports, it might have been done in the spring
Dec. 21 Mike Aresco: any talk of expansion has been totally on the backburner."

(12-25-2020 05:38 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Either BSU can't find a conference that will accept their olympic sports or
Aresco said no to BSU.

Aug. 10 MWC cancels football
Aug. 11 SEC announces it will play football, AAC will play
Aug. 28 Larrondo to AD Apsey: Athletics 2020 and Beyond
Sep. 25 MW announces they will play football, beginning October 24
Sep. 28 Larrondo to AD how moving to the conference might work
Sep. 29 Apsey: AAC has told Dr. (Marlene) Tromp they are only interested in football
Oct. 01 MW announces schedule with Championship criteria, Boise, AFA allowed to keep games vs BYU, Army
Oct. 21 Apsey’s departure from AD
Oct. 24 First MW games are played
Dec. 19 Boise is defeated in championship game
Dec. 21 Source: If they could find a place for the other sports, it might have been done in the spring
Dec. 21 Mike Aresco: any talk of expansion has been totally on the backburner."
Dec. 22 Harsin named Auburn's new HC

Just to clarify where we are and why it's clear Boise is a no go, broke, and about to slide into oblivion.

So I guess the AAC has decided its better that Boise slides into oblivion as opposed to throw them a life line?

No, the AAC understands that it's survival, not expansion time.

Adding a school, even one that might be marquee, would be like going out and making a major purchase at a time when you don't know if you're going to have a job in a month - it's 'ill-advised.'

The extra asterisks worked!

(12-25-2020 07:58 PM)Chappy Wrote:  The extra asterisks worked!

I was all in once I saw it was ultimately official

(12-25-2020 07:44 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  No, the AAC understands that it's survival, not expansion time.

Adding a school, even one that might be marquee, would be like going out and making a major purchase at a time when you don't know if you're going to have a job in a month - it's 'ill-advised.'

Seven years of Connecticut football in the American:
20-65 [.235]

Last seven years Boise football:
69-19 [.784]
3-2 Bowls [2014 Fiesta]
3 Conference Chips

The best deal is the one that pays. I'm willing to listen. We don't know the details of what Aresco has negotiated or how this impacts our ESPN deal. The MW's new deal was with CBS/Fox Sports and they are a competitor to ESPN. We hold the cards.

Perhaps AAC presidents are still beefed with Boise at how they broke their commitment to the league before and now AAC presidents don’t trust anything coming out from Boise.

(12-24-2020 10:04 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  10 Fun Facts About Boise

Fact 1
It is the largest city between Salt Lake City, Utah and Portland, Oregon. It is were most people gave up on the Oregon trail.

Fact 2
The City of Boise is considered part of the Treasure Valley but sadly it's the poor part.

Fact 3
Boise has a semi-arid climate, with four distinct seasons; Winter, 2nd Winter, The Thaw, and The Refreezering.

Fact 4
Downtown Boise is Boise's cultural center and home to many small businesses and several high-rises of up to three stories tall!

Fact 5
It is the most populous metropolitan area in Idaho, containing the state's three largest cities; Boise, Nampa, and Meridian with a combined population of 25,000!

Fact 6
Numbering about 15,000, Boise's ethnic Basque community is the largest such community in the United States and the fifth largest in the world outside Mexico, Argentina, Chile and the Basque Country in Spain and France as well as Newark, New Jersey.

Fact 7
A large Basque festival known as Jaialdi is held once every five years where one can purchase the famous Jell-O On A Stick!

Fact 8
Downtown Boise features a vibrant section known as the “Basque Block” that police still do not patrol to this day.

Fact 9
Boise is also a regional hub for jazz, theater, and indie music such as Vanilla Ice, Milli Vanilli (now just Vanilli sadly), and Justin Bieber.

Fact 10
Boise also has a thriving performing arts community of rodeo clowns, flatulent mimes and street corner scream singers.

Fact 3 is just another city stealing Chicago's description of their weather. "Chicago has two seasons. Winter and construction". Or, "Chicago has two seasons, Winter and 4th of July".

People got their nerve I tell ya!

(12-25-2020 10:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Perhaps AAC presidents are still beefed with Boise at how they broke their commitment to the league before and now AAC presidents don’t trust anything coming out from Boise.

Do we know where they stand? That was seven years ago. You have had change in many administrations since then. Again, no harm, no foul with negotiations to benefit our conference.

(12-25-2020 10:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Perhaps AAC presidents are still beefed with Boise at how they broke their commitment to the league before and now AAC presidents don’t trust anything coming out from Boise.

Do we know where they stand? That was seven years ago. You have had change in many administrations since then. Again, no harm, no foul with negotiations to benefit our conference.

There are no lingering issues with the vast majority of schools - it was a business decision as we told them $8,000,000 and delivered $1,800,000.

(12-25-2020 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Perhaps AAC presidents are still beefed with Boise at how they broke their commitment to the league before and now AAC presidents don’t trust anything coming out from Boise.

Do we know where they stand? That was seven years ago. You have had change in many administrations since then. Again, no harm, no foul with negotiations to benefit our conference.

There are no lingering issues with the vast majority of schools - it was a business decision as we told them $8,000,000 and delivered $1,800,000.

Doesn’t bode well for Boise as they only paid a 1/4 of the exit asking fee... Now had Boise paid say 65% of the exit fee talks could be slightly in their favor and a bit friendlier AAC presidents.

(12-25-2020 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Perhaps AAC presidents are still beefed with Boise at how they broke their commitment to the league before and now AAC presidents don’t trust anything coming out from Boise.

Do we know where they stand? That was seven years ago. You have had change in many administrations since then. Again, no harm, no foul with negotiations to benefit our conference.

There are no lingering issues with the vast majority of schools - it was a business decision as we told them $8,000,000 and delivered $1,800,000.

Exactly. Some seem to act like if their school had BSU's alterative to make more $$ by staying put, they wouldn't have done it. And even then BSU PAID their exit fee not to come. It's business. And the AAC should do what's best for business, whatever that is

What happened to the 37 page thread about Boise, it disappeared

(12-26-2020 11:44 AM)tufinal4 Wrote:  What happened to the 37 page thread about Boise, it disappeared

No, it didn't. The admins move it to the off topic section of the board.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-910177.html

(12-24-2020 11:17 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 10:04 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  10 Fun Facts About Boise

Fact 1
It is the largest city between Salt Lake City, Utah and Portland, Oregon. It is were most people gave up on the Oregon trail.

Fact 2
The City of Boise is considered part of the Treasure Valley but sadly it's the poor part.

Fact 3
Boise has a semi-arid climate, with four distinct seasons; Winter, 2nd Winter, The Thaw, and The Refreezering.

Fact 4
Downtown Boise is Boise's cultural center and home to many small businesses and several high-rises of up to three stories tall!

Fact 5
It is the most populous metropolitan area in Idaho, containing the state's three largest cities; Boise, Nampa, and Meridian with a combined population of 25,000!

Fact 6
Numbering about 15,000, Boise's ethnic Basque community is the largest such community in the United States and the fifth largest in the world outside Mexico, Argentina, Chile and the Basque Country in Spain and France as well as Newark, New Jersey.

Fact 7
A large Basque festival known as Jaialdi is held once every five years where one can purchase the famous Jell-O On A Stick!

Fact 8
Downtown Boise features a vibrant section known as the “Basque Block” that police still do not patrol to this day.

Fact 9
Boise is also a regional hub for jazz, theater, and indie music such as Vanilla Ice, Milli Vanilli (now just Vanilli sadly), and Justin Bieber.

Fact 10
Boise also has a thriving performing arts community of rodeo clowns, flatulent mimes and street corner scream singers.

I don't know why, but I started reading this in a Borat voice.

"Come look at our tall building. Is three story. Niiiice."

Wow, wow, wee wow.

(12-25-2020 10:47 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Perhaps AAC presidents are still beefed with Boise at how they broke their commitment to the league before and now AAC presidents don’t trust anything coming out from Boise.

Do we know where they stand? That was seven years ago. You have had change in many administrations since then. Again, no harm, no foul with negotiations to benefit our conference.

There are no lingering issues with the vast majority of schools - it was a business decision as we told them $8,000,000 and delivered $1,800,000.

Exactly. Some seem to act like if their school had BSU's alterative to make more $$ by staying put, they wouldn't have done it. And even then BSU PAID their exit fee not to come. It's business. And the AAC should do what's best for business, whatever that is

Except that's not what happened. Boise went from a team player to an attempted hostile take over. They did so and hung in the balance the SDSU move and the Navy move, so they could try and grab a bigger chunk of the money and attention then they deserved or had earned. They held SDSU hostage and would have been ok with pushing Navy out if that was the cost. At no point did they demonstrate they were team players and basically did exactly what Pittsburg did to the old big east knowing they had a safe harbor to do so.

When that attempt failed they found someone who was scared and agreed. Again rather than being a team player, they attempted to bully and control their conference regardless of its negative effect which by the way is reflected back on to Boise. When the conference had enough and made the decision to do what was best for all members not just what benefits Boise, Boise again tried to strong arm themselves into something they did not deserve or earn and play the AAC off against the MW in mirror of what they did before.

All the while they have failed to dominate their own conference even with advantages they robbed, much less pose a true threat to the AAC's dominance of the NY6. I worry more about BYU having a good schedule and a miracle season or two over the next years with the committee making them our NY6 opponent and trust me I don't lose sleep about that.

Money is one value of the relationship, but there are other things that also matter.

(12-26-2020 12:29 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:47 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:03 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Perhaps AAC presidents are still beefed with Boise at how they broke their commitment to the league before and now AAC presidents don’t trust anything coming out from Boise.

Do we know where they stand? That was seven years ago. You have had change in many administrations since then. Again, no harm, no foul with negotiations to benefit our conference.

There are no lingering issues with the vast majority of schools - it was a business decision as we told them $8,000,000 and delivered $1,800,000.

Exactly. Some seem to act like if their school had BSU's alterative to make more $$ by staying put, they wouldn't have done it. And even then BSU PAID their exit fee not to come. It's business. And the AAC should do what's best for business, whatever that is

Except that's not what happened. Boise went from a team player to an attempted hostile take over. They did so and hung in the balance the SDSU move and the Navy move, so they could try and grab a bigger chunk of the money and attention then they deserved or had earned. They held SDSU hostage and would have been ok with pushing Navy out if that was the cost. At no point did they demonstrate they were team players and basically did exactly what Pittsburg did to the old big east knowing they had a safe harbor to do so.

When that attempt failed they found someone who was scared and agreed. Again rather than being a team player, they attempted to bully and control their conference regardless of its negative effect which by the way is reflected back on to Boise. When the conference had enough and made the decision to do what was best for all members not just what benefits Boise, Boise again tried to strong arm themselves into something they did not deserve or earn and play the AAC off against the MW in mirror of what they did before.

All the while they have failed to dominate their own conference even with advantages they robbed, much less pose a true threat to the AAC's dominance of the NY6. I worry more about BYU having a good schedule and a miracle season or two over the next years with the committee making them our NY6 opponent and trust me I don't lose sleep about that.

Money is one value of the relationship, but there are other things that also matter.

The most important point, rarely mentioned - DOES ESPN WANT THIS TO HAPPEN?
if so, it does, with maybe a little more money for all, and espn gets to (kinda) stick it to fox. if espn says no / could care less - it dies. nothing else really matters. its the age old golden rule.

(12-27-2020 08:45 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(12-26-2020 12:29 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:47 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:07 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Do we know where they stand? That was seven years ago. You have had change in many administrations since then. Again, no harm, no foul with negotiations to benefit our conference.

There are no lingering issues with the vast majority of schools - it was a business decision as we told them $8,000,000 and delivered $1,800,000.

Exactly. Some seem to act like if their school had BSU's alterative to make more $$ by staying put, they wouldn't have done it. And even then BSU PAID their exit fee not to come. It's business. And the AAC should do what's best for business, whatever that is

Except that's not what happened. Boise went from a team player to an attempted hostile take over. They did so and hung in the balance the SDSU move and the Navy move, so they could try and grab a bigger chunk of the money and attention then they deserved or had earned. They held SDSU hostage and would have been ok with pushing Navy out if that was the cost. At no point did they demonstrate they were team players and basically did exactly what Pittsburg did to the old big east knowing they had a safe harbor to do so.

When that attempt failed they found someone who was scared and agreed. Again rather than being a team player, they attempted to bully and control their conference regardless of its negative effect which by the way is reflected back on to Boise. When the conference had enough and made the decision to do what was best for all members not just what benefits Boise, Boise again tried to strong arm themselves into something they did not deserve or earn and play the AAC off against the MW in mirror of what they did before.

All the while they have failed to dominate their own conference even with advantages they robbed, much less pose a true threat to the AAC's dominance of the NY6. I worry more about BYU having a good schedule and a miracle season or two over the next years with the committee making them our NY6 opponent and trust me I don't lose sleep about that.

Money is one value of the relationship, but there are other things that also matter.

The most important point, rarely mentioned - DOES ESPN WANT THIS TO HAPPEN?
if so, it does, with maybe a little more money for all, and espn gets to (kinda) stick it to fox. if espn says no / could care less - it dies. nothing else really matters. its the age old golden rule.

ESPN will have a say, it will carry a lot of weight, but that is backwards to how this will work despite the wide held belief that ESPN calls the shot.

A team will approach the AAC, the AAC will take those they consider real possibilities and get feed back from ESPN. Then they will tell the ADs what ESPN thinks and it will go into their consideration. If ESPN indicates there will be zero change if we add them it will matter, if they agree to it at cost (UConn's portion) that will matter, or if it involves a bump that will matter. It will be important but it will get ranked in with things like fit, performance, geography, and three or four things each school will consider important.

If they don't at least agree to up the money to cover Boise then yeah it's not happening. Beyond that it will probably require a significant bump/cut to be the factor in consideration.

(12-27-2020 12:20 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-27-2020 08:45 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(12-26-2020 12:29 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:47 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  There are no lingering issues with the vast majority of schools - it was a business decision as we told them $8,000,000 and delivered $1,800,000.

Exactly. Some seem to act like if their school had BSU's alterative to make more $$ by staying put, they wouldn't have done it. And even then BSU PAID their exit fee not to come. It's business. And the AAC should do what's best for business, whatever that is

Except that's not what happened. Boise went from a team player to an attempted hostile take over. They did so and hung in the balance the SDSU move and the Navy move, so they could try and grab a bigger chunk of the money and attention then they deserved or had earned. They held SDSU hostage and would have been ok with pushing Navy out if that was the cost. At no point did they demonstrate they were team players and basically did exactly what Pittsburg did to the old big east knowing they had a safe harbor to do so.

When that attempt failed they found someone who was scared and agreed. Again rather than being a team player, they attempted to bully and control their conference regardless of its negative effect which by the way is reflected back on to Boise. When the conference had enough and made the decision to do what was best for all members not just what benefits Boise, Boise again tried to strong arm themselves into something they did not deserve or earn and play the AAC off against the MW in mirror of what they did before.

All the while they have failed to dominate their own conference even with advantages they robbed, much less pose a true threat to the AAC's dominance of the NY6. I worry more about BYU having a good schedule and a miracle season or two over the next years with the committee making them our NY6 opponent and trust me I don't lose sleep about that.

Money is one value of the relationship, but there are other things that also matter.

The most important point, rarely mentioned - DOES ESPN WANT THIS TO HAPPEN?
if so, it does, with maybe a little more money for all, and espn gets to (kinda) stick it to fox. if espn says no / could care less - it dies. nothing else really matters. its the age old golden rule.

ESPN will have a say, it will carry a lot of weight, but that is backwards to how this will work despite the wide held belief that ESPN calls the shot.

A team will approach the AAC, the AAC will take those they consider real possibilities and get feed back from ESPN. Then they will tell the ADs what ESPN thinks and it will go into their consideration. If ESPN indicates there will be zero change if we add them it will matter, if they agree to it at cost (UConn's portion) that will matter, or if it involves a bump that will matter. It will be important but it will get ranked in with things like fit, performance, geography, and three or four things each school will consider important.

If they don't at least agree to up the money to cover Boise then yeah it's not happening. Beyond that it will probably require a significant bump/cut to be the factor in consideration.

I doubt we see any bump. They didn’t kill us when UConn left—so we were treated pretty fairly given we are delivering less inventory than we originally contracted for and no longer have any connection to the biggest TV market in the country (New York). We’ll almost certainly stay at 7 million each per year. If there was one concession I could get from ESPN, it would not be a slight bump in money—it would be a shortening the term of the deal to 6 to 8 years (currently a 12 year deal).