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(12-28-2020 11:03 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  A concern during the Tulsa/UC game was the AAC would not have an unbeaten team and not get the NY6 game.

Adding BYU and/or BSU may mean the AAC gets the NY6 game less often.

Harsin might have just saved the AAC from a worse fate.

Or----the AAC might find that a 11-1 team emerging from the AAC meat grinder is viewed by the Committee as superior to an undefeated team from say CUSA. Thats not all that far fetched. A THREE LOSS SEC team was in front of Cincy in the rankings. An undefeated MW team (#23 San Jose St) was only 2 slots in front of a 2 loss Tulsa team (#24) immediately after a Tulsa loss.
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(12-28-2020 11:03 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  A concern during the Tulsa/UC game was the AAC would not have an unbeaten team and not get the NY6 game.

Adding BYU and/or BSU may mean the AAC gets the NY6 game less often.

Harsin might have just saved the AAC from a worse fate.

Right - posters here frequently say that adding Boise and/or other mwc teams would weaken the mwc and "GUARANTEE the AAC the NY6 bowl."

That's flawed.

It does nothing about a WMU situation - an undefeated team from somewhere other than the mwc. By weakening the mwc overall, you might make it easier for a Fresno State,SDSU, etc to be undefeated in that weaker mwc. And while a one-loss team from a stronger AAC may still be a slam dunk over an undefeated team from a weaker conference, a stronger AAC increases the chances of the AAC champ having two or more losses (as in 2016).

Meanwhile, we are still separating from the mwc without such a decapitation strike. Five years out of seven getting the NY6 bid. Five years out of seven being the #1 for CFP pay, (four of those five being closer to the the #5 conference than the #7 should we pick up .03 ranking spots advantage after Coastal's bowl loss). 2018 was an outlier bad year AND an outlier good year for the top of the mwc, and the mwc BARELY edged out the AAC.

The potential gain in the decapitate the mwc theory is overstated.
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(12-28-2020 11:34 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:03 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  A concern during the Tulsa/UC game was the AAC would not have an unbeaten team and not get the NY6 game.

Adding BYU and/or BSU may mean the AAC gets the NY6 game less often.

Harsin might have just saved the AAC from a worse fate.

Right - posters here frequently say that adding Boise and/or other mwc teams would weaken the mwc and "GUARANTEE the AAC the NY6 bowl."

That's flawed.

It does nothing about a WMU situation - an undefeated team from somewhere other than the mwc. By weakening the mwc overall, you might make it easier for a Fresno State,SDSU, etc to be undefeated in that weaker mwc. And while a one-loss team from a stronger AAC may still be a slam dunk over an undefeated team from a weaker conference, a stronger AAC increases the chances of the AAC champ having two or more losses (as in 2016).

Meanwhile, we are still separating from the mwc without such a decapitation strike. Five years out of seven getting the NY6 bid. Five years out of seven being the #1 for CFP pay, (four of those five being closer to the the #5 conference than the #7 should we pick up .03 ranking spots advantage after Coastal's bowl loss). 2018 was an outlier bad year AND an outlier good year for the top of the mwc, and the mwc BARELY edged out the AAC.

The potential gain in the decapitate the mwc theory is overstated.

Thats never really been part of the calculation to me. The real reason Boise makes sense to me is it continues to add to the collection of high value games in the AAC package. Boise vs Houston. Boise vs Cincy. Boise vs UCF. Boise vs Memphis. Those are all high value games that are suitable for ABC or ESPN. The more of those you have, the better.

The Big 12 doesnt get to 20+ million a team on the basis of Kansas vs Baylor. It gets there on the basis of high value games like Texas vs Oklahoma, Texas vs Oklahoma St, Oklahoma vs Texas Tech, etc. That said, the SEC is given the benefit of the doubt against other conferences due to its perceived quality advantage. No reason to believe Boise would not give the AAC additional heft in that department.
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(12-28-2020 11:26 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:03 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  A concern during the Tulsa/UC game was the AAC would not have an unbeaten team and not get the NY6 game.

Adding BYU and/or BSU may mean the AAC gets the NY6 game less often.

Harsin might have just saved the AAC from a worse fate.

Or----the AAC might find that a 11-1 team emerging from the AAC meat grinder is viewed by the Committee as superior to an undefeated team from say CUSA. Thats not all that far fetched. A THREE LOSS SEC team was in front of Cincy in the rankings. An undefeated MW team (#23 San Jose St) was only 2 slots in front of a 2 loss Tulsa team (#24) immediately after a Tulsa loss.

We already have that with out Boise.

WMU was in serious jeopardy of being jumped by a two loss Navy if they had won the AAC championship and defeated Army the following week. To such an extent that plans were made to delay the final ranking to account for the Army/Navy game being involved in the decision. That Navy resume was built totally on AAC wins.

Boise currently would finish third or fourth in the AAC in their better years, remember they haven't won their division half the time, the weaker division, and haven't won the MW half the time. Meaning as is Boise needs to have a good year and win the MW just to qualify to compete for the NY6 which would be at best what they and we could hope for with them in the AAC. So at best we add a regular 4th-7th place team far away from their recruiting base, far away from us, who might occassionally win the conference but has also had multiple out of conference losses weakening their overall case. Oh yeah and they have a dive complex and money problems.

Why does this sound good to anyone?
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(12-28-2020 02:20 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:26 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:03 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  A concern during the Tulsa/UC game was the AAC would not have an unbeaten team and not get the NY6 game.

Adding BYU and/or BSU may mean the AAC gets the NY6 game less often.

Harsin might have just saved the AAC from a worse fate.

Or----the AAC might find that a 11-1 team emerging from the AAC meat grinder is viewed by the Committee as superior to an undefeated team from say CUSA. Thats not all that far fetched. A THREE LOSS SEC team was in front of Cincy in the rankings. An undefeated MW team (#23 San Jose St) was only 2 slots in front of a 2 loss Tulsa team (#24) immediately after a Tulsa loss.

We already have that with out Boise.

WMU was in serious jeopardy of being jumped by a two loss Navy if they had won the AAC championship and defeated Army the following week. To such an extent that plans were made to delay the final ranking to account for the Army/Navy game being involved in the decision. That Navy resume was built totally on AAC wins.

Boise currently would finish third or fourth in the AAC in their better years, remember they haven't won their division half the time, the weaker division, and haven't won the MW half the time. Meaning as is Boise needs to have a good year and win the MW just to qualify to compete for the NY6 which would be at best what they and we could hope for with them in the AAC. So at best we add a regular 4th-7th place team far away from their recruiting base, far away from us, who might occassionally win the conference but has also had multiple out of conference losses weakening their overall case. Oh yeah and they have a dive complex and money problems.

Why does this sound good to anyone?

You gain better perception and perception is reality more so in CFB than any sport not named figure skating. Boise’s name still carries weight.

You also hurt your closest bottom competitor while virtually, and maybe actually, locking up the NY6 game.

Finally, IF it gives you the little extra to get the real prize, BYU, and more ammo to push the P6 narrative along with renegotiating media rights, it becomes a no brainer.

There are some IFs in there but I think at least the NY6 game “should be” reasonably locked up. BYU may or may not be feasible, but if so, surely the media rights deal gets a bump.
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(12-28-2020 02:40 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 02:20 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:26 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:03 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  A concern during the Tulsa/UC game was the AAC would not have an unbeaten team and not get the NY6 game.

Adding BYU and/or BSU may mean the AAC gets the NY6 game less often.

Harsin might have just saved the AAC from a worse fate.

Or----the AAC might find that a 11-1 team emerging from the AAC meat grinder is viewed by the Committee as superior to an undefeated team from say CUSA. Thats not all that far fetched. A THREE LOSS SEC team was in front of Cincy in the rankings. An undefeated MW team (#23 San Jose St) was only 2 slots in front of a 2 loss Tulsa team (#24) immediately after a Tulsa loss.

We already have that with out Boise.

WMU was in serious jeopardy of being jumped by a two loss Navy if they had won the AAC championship and defeated Army the following week. To such an extent that plans were made to delay the final ranking to account for the Army/Navy game being involved in the decision. That Navy resume was built totally on AAC wins.

Boise currently would finish third or fourth in the AAC in their better years, remember they haven't won their division half the time, the weaker division, and haven't won the MW half the time. Meaning as is Boise needs to have a good year and win the MW just to qualify to compete for the NY6 which would be at best what they and we could hope for with them in the AAC. So at best we add a regular 4th-7th place team far away from their recruiting base, far away from us, who might occassionally win the conference but has also had multiple out of conference losses weakening their overall case. Oh yeah and they have a dive complex and money problems.

Why does this sound good to anyone?

You gain better perception and perception is reality more so in CFB than any sport not named figure skating. Boise’s name still carries weight.

You also hurt your closest bottom competitor while virtually, and maybe actually, locking up the NY6 game.

Finally, IF it gives you the little extra to get the real prize, BYU, and more ammo to push the P6 narrative along with renegotiating media rights, it becomes a no brainer.

There are some IFs in there but I think at least the NY6 game “should be” reasonably locked up. BYU may or may not be feasible, but if so, surely the media rights deal gets a bump.

1. They have a blue field. Otherwise it's been six years since they played in a game of national importance. They have a strong regional following. They have relevance for the people who were in their twenties during the 2000s, the ones who remember the statue of Liberty. They have no relevance to people over fifty because they have one decade of success trying to compete with traditional powers and people under 20 think of them like Marshall.

2. Just to be clear, our nearest competitor is whatever conference has a decent run that year. It was the MAC one year, the Sunbelt this year, the MW when Boise went. Nor is taking one team going to drastically change any G5 conference. Besides all the knock ons that SLH pointed out.

3. Why would adding Boise make us more attractive to BYU? Who is the other add coming with BYU to get that even number that the super pro Boise/expansion people think is so important? How are we paying for them if they aren't Army, the only team likely to earn it's fair share at that point?

Your IFs ignore the fact that we currently have the NY6 locked up with out adding anyone. We have had multiple teams ranked in the cfp every year and finished with multiple teams ranked in the final poll multiple times as well as having the set up because of AAC rankings of the AAC teams, that our championship game winner is the default NY6 team. Adding Boise doesn't add what we already have.
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Boise knows they made a mistake when they flipped back to the MWC after they had originally accepted the BigEast/AAC invite... Boise wouldn’t be in this mess had they remain committed to this league.
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Wonder what ESPN thinks. Clearly they like Boise State. But would they like them in the AAC?
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It all comes down to money and power. If by adding Boise State we are able to increase our revenue and/or lock in a NY6 bowl bid then you add them. If not, then you don't.
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(12-28-2020 05:04 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Wonder what ESPN thinks. Clearly they like Boise State. But would they like them in the AAC?

I think tv ratings will drastically improve with Boise in the AAC... So I say yes, ESPN will be thrilled over this marriage.
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(12-28-2020 03:26 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 02:40 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 02:20 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:26 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:03 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  A concern during the Tulsa/UC game was the AAC would not have an unbeaten team and not get the NY6 game.

Adding BYU and/or BSU may mean the AAC gets the NY6 game less often.

Harsin might have just saved the AAC from a worse fate.

Or----the AAC might find that a 11-1 team emerging from the AAC meat grinder is viewed by the Committee as superior to an undefeated team from say CUSA. Thats not all that far fetched. A THREE LOSS SEC team was in front of Cincy in the rankings. An undefeated MW team (#23 San Jose St) was only 2 slots in front of a 2 loss Tulsa team (#24) immediately after a Tulsa loss.

We already have that with out Boise.

WMU was in serious jeopardy of being jumped by a two loss Navy if they had won the AAC championship and defeated Army the following week. To such an extent that plans were made to delay the final ranking to account for the Army/Navy game being involved in the decision. That Navy resume was built totally on AAC wins.

Boise currently would finish third or fourth in the AAC in their better years, remember they haven't won their division half the time, the weaker division, and haven't won the MW half the time. Meaning as is Boise needs to have a good year and win the MW just to qualify to compete for the NY6 which would be at best what they and we could hope for with them in the AAC. So at best we add a regular 4th-7th place team far away from their recruiting base, far away from us, who might occassionally win the conference but has also had multiple out of conference losses weakening their overall case. Oh yeah and they have a dive complex and money problems.

Why does this sound good to anyone?

You gain better perception and perception is reality more so in CFB than any sport not named figure skating. Boise’s name still carries weight.

You also hurt your closest bottom competitor while virtually, and maybe actually, locking up the NY6 game.

Finally, IF it gives you the little extra to get the real prize, BYU, and more ammo to push the P6 narrative along with renegotiating media rights, it becomes a no brainer.

There are some IFs in there but I think at least the NY6 game “should be” reasonably locked up. BYU may or may not be feasible, but if so, surely the media rights deal gets a bump.

1. They have a blue field. Otherwise it's been six years since they played in a game of national importance. They have a strong regional following. They have relevance for the people who were in their twenties during the 2000s, the ones who remember the statue of Liberty. They have no relevance to people over fifty because they have one decade of success trying to compete with traditional powers and people under 20 think of them like Marshall.

2. Just to be clear, our nearest competitor is whatever conference has a decent run that year. It was the MAC one year, the Sunbelt this year, the MW when Boise went. Nor is taking one team going to drastically change any G5 conference. Besides all the knock ons that SLH pointed out.

3. Why would adding Boise make us more attractive to BYU? Who is the other add coming with BYU to get that even number that the super pro Boise/expansion people think is so important? How are we paying for them if they aren't Army, the only team likely to earn it's fair share at that point?

Your IFs ignore the fact that we currently have the NY6 locked up with out adding anyone. We have had multiple teams ranked in the cfp every year and finished with multiple teams ranked in the final poll multiple times as well as having the set up because of AAC rankings of the AAC teams, that our championship game winner is the default NY6 team. Adding Boise doesn't add what we already have.

Your a Tulsa fan right? Just wondering where you get so much misinformation about Boise.
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(12-28-2020 05:23 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 05:04 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Wonder what ESPN thinks. Clearly they like Boise State. But would they like them in the AAC?

I think tv ratings will drastically improve with Boise in the AAC... So I say yes, ESPN will be thrilled over this marriage.

No doubt they would improve, but drastically?
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all i know is we need a 12th football program pretty badly.
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Winning the NY6 game, like winning OOC games, raises the AAC's brand.
An undefeated AAC conference champion will usually make the choice for
the NY6 unquestionable. If our champion is tied with one from another
conference the decision is made by some that may want to take the AAC
down.

The best record is important. We don't need to add a team that may
have a "hot" day. We already have enough.
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(12-28-2020 05:26 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 03:26 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 02:40 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 02:20 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:26 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Or----the AAC might find that a 11-1 team emerging from the AAC meat grinder is viewed by the Committee as superior to an undefeated team from say CUSA. Thats not all that far fetched. A THREE LOSS SEC team was in front of Cincy in the rankings. An undefeated MW team (#23 San Jose St) was only 2 slots in front of a 2 loss Tulsa team (#24) immediately after a Tulsa loss.

We already have that with out Boise.

WMU was in serious jeopardy of being jumped by a two loss Navy if they had won the AAC championship and defeated Army the following week. To such an extent that plans were made to delay the final ranking to account for the Army/Navy game being involved in the decision. That Navy resume was built totally on AAC wins.

Boise currently would finish third or fourth in the AAC in their better years, remember they haven't won their division half the time, the weaker division, and haven't won the MW half the time. Meaning as is Boise needs to have a good year and win the MW just to qualify to compete for the NY6 which would be at best what they and we could hope for with them in the AAC. So at best we add a regular 4th-7th place team far away from their recruiting base, far away from us, who might occassionally win the conference but has also had multiple out of conference losses weakening their overall case. Oh yeah and they have a dive complex and money problems.

Why does this sound good to anyone?

You gain better perception and perception is reality more so in CFB than any sport not named figure skating. Boise’s name still carries weight.

You also hurt your closest bottom competitor while virtually, and maybe actually, locking up the NY6 game.

Finally, IF it gives you the little extra to get the real prize, BYU, and more ammo to push the P6 narrative along with renegotiating media rights, it becomes a no brainer.

There are some IFs in there but I think at least the NY6 game “should be” reasonably locked up. BYU may or may not be feasible, but if so, surely the media rights deal gets a bump.

1. They have a blue field. Otherwise it's been six years since they played in a game of national importance. They have a strong regional following. They have relevance for the people who were in their twenties during the 2000s, the ones who remember the statue of Liberty. They have no relevance to people over fifty because they have one decade of success trying to compete with traditional powers and people under 20 think of them like Marshall.

2. Just to be clear, our nearest competitor is whatever conference has a decent run that year. It was the MAC one year, the Sunbelt this year, the MW when Boise went. Nor is taking one team going to drastically change any G5 conference. Besides all the knock ons that SLH pointed out.

3. Why would adding Boise make us more attractive to BYU? Who is the other add coming with BYU to get that even number that the super pro Boise/expansion people think is so important? How are we paying for them if they aren't Army, the only team likely to earn it's fair share at that point?

Your IFs ignore the fact that we currently have the NY6 locked up with out adding anyone. We have had multiple teams ranked in the cfp every year and finished with multiple teams ranked in the final poll multiple times as well as having the set up because of AAC rankings of the AAC teams, that our championship game winner is the default NY6 team. Adding Boise doesn't add what we already have.

Your a Tulsa fan right? Just wondering where you get so much misinformation about Boise.

Oh? You're a Boise fan? So I suppose you think just asserting things is how it works. This isn't like the Rush Limbaugh show you listen to while putting them miles behind the big rig your truck driving school got you into on a low interest loan after graduating a proud Bronco.

I even conviently numbered them if you have an issue.
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(12-28-2020 05:28 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 05:23 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 05:04 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Wonder what ESPN thinks. Clearly they like Boise State. But would they like them in the AAC?

I think tv ratings will drastically improve with Boise in the AAC... So I say yes, ESPN will be thrilled over this marriage.

No doubt they would improve, but drastically?

Doubt they improve for us, but late night Boise games would get a bump. Boise in comparison to other late night ratings does well. Compared to the general AAC numbers though they don't do anything. SLH has put the numbers up, the realignment board puts them up sometimes too. The value in Boise is late night time slots not raw numbers, which aren't terrible.
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(12-28-2020 06:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 05:26 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 03:26 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 02:40 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 02:20 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  We already have that with out Boise.

WMU was in serious jeopardy of being jumped by a two loss Navy if they had won the AAC championship and defeated Army the following week. To such an extent that plans were made to delay the final ranking to account for the Army/Navy game being involved in the decision. That Navy resume was built totally on AAC wins.

Boise currently would finish third or fourth in the AAC in their better years, remember they haven't won their division half the time, the weaker division, and haven't won the MW half the time. Meaning as is Boise needs to have a good year and win the MW just to qualify to compete for the NY6 which would be at best what they and we could hope for with them in the AAC. So at best we add a regular 4th-7th place team far away from their recruiting base, far away from us, who might occassionally win the conference but has also had multiple out of conference losses weakening their overall case. Oh yeah and they have a dive complex and money problems.

Why does this sound good to anyone?

You gain better perception and perception is reality more so in CFB than any sport not named figure skating. Boise’s name still carries weight.

You also hurt your closest bottom competitor while virtually, and maybe actually, locking up the NY6 game.

Finally, IF it gives you the little extra to get the real prize, BYU, and more ammo to push the P6 narrative along with renegotiating media rights, it becomes a no brainer.

There are some IFs in there but I think at least the NY6 game “should be” reasonably locked up. BYU may or may not be feasible, but if so, surely the media rights deal gets a bump.

1. They have a blue field. Otherwise it's been six years since they played in a game of national importance. They have a strong regional following. They have relevance for the people who were in their twenties during the 2000s, the ones who remember the statue of Liberty. They have no relevance to people over fifty because they have one decade of success trying to compete with traditional powers and people under 20 think of them like Marshall.

2. Just to be clear, our nearest competitor is whatever conference has a decent run that year. It was the MAC one year, the Sunbelt this year, the MW when Boise went. Nor is taking one team going to drastically change any G5 conference. Besides all the knock ons that SLH pointed out.

3. Why would adding Boise make us more attractive to BYU? Who is the other add coming with BYU to get that even number that the super pro Boise/expansion people think is so important? How are we paying for them if they aren't Army, the only team likely to earn it's fair share at that point?

Your IFs ignore the fact that we currently have the NY6 locked up with out adding anyone. We have had multiple teams ranked in the cfp every year and finished with multiple teams ranked in the final poll multiple times as well as having the set up because of AAC rankings of the AAC teams, that our championship game winner is the default NY6 team. Adding Boise doesn't add what we already have.

Your a Tulsa fan right? Just wondering where you get so much misinformation about Boise.

Oh? You're a Boise fan? So I suppose you think just asserting things is how it works. This isn't like the Rush Limbaugh show you listen to while putting them miles behind the big rig your truck driving school got you into on a low interest loan after graduating a proud Bronco.

I even conviently numbered them if you have an issue.

Look guy your just misinformed on a lot of stuff. It’s OK but maybe stick to your lane of Tulsa football rather than offering half baked claims as some kind of fact. Point of fact the mountain division has been proven to be a tougher division than the west. I get it’s a sensitive subject because SDSU and BSU pulled out last time after Tulsa and Tulanes addition but try to get over your hurt feelings ?
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(12-28-2020 03:26 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 02:40 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 02:20 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:26 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-28-2020 11:03 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  A concern during the Tulsa/UC game was the AAC would not have an unbeaten team and not get the NY6 game.

Adding BYU and/or BSU may mean the AAC gets the NY6 game less often.

Harsin might have just saved the AAC from a worse fate.

Or----the AAC might find that a 11-1 team emerging from the AAC meat grinder is viewed by the Committee as superior to an undefeated team from say CUSA. Thats not all that far fetched. A THREE LOSS SEC team was in front of Cincy in the rankings. An undefeated MW team (#23 San Jose St) was only 2 slots in front of a 2 loss Tulsa team (#24) immediately after a Tulsa loss.

We already have that with out Boise.

WMU was in serious jeopardy of being jumped by a two loss Navy if they had won the AAC championship and defeated Army the following week. To such an extent that plans were made to delay the final ranking to account for the Army/Navy game being involved in the decision. That Navy resume was built totally on AAC wins.

Boise currently would finish third or fourth in the AAC in their better years, remember they haven't won their division half the time, the weaker division, and haven't won the MW half the time. Meaning as is Boise needs to have a good year and win the MW just to qualify to compete for the NY6 which would be at best what they and we could hope for with them in the AAC. So at best we add a regular 4th-7th place team far away from their recruiting base, far away from us, who might occassionally win the conference but has also had multiple out of conference losses weakening their overall case. Oh yeah and they have a dive complex and money problems.

Why does this sound good to anyone?

You gain better perception and perception is reality more so in CFB than any sport not named figure skating. Boise’s name still carries weight.

You also hurt your closest bottom competitor while virtually, and maybe actually, locking up the NY6 game.

Finally, IF it gives you the little extra to get the real prize, BYU, and more ammo to push the P6 narrative along with renegotiating media rights, it becomes a no brainer.

There are some IFs in there but I think at least the NY6 game “should be” reasonably locked up. BYU may or may not be feasible, but if so, surely the media rights deal gets a bump.

1. They have a blue field. Otherwise it's been six years since they played in a game of national importance. They have a strong regional following. They have relevance for the people who were in their twenties during the 2000s, the ones who remember the statue of Liberty. They have no relevance to people over fifty because they have one decade of success trying to compete with traditional powers and people under 20 think of them like Marshall.

2. Just to be clear, our nearest competitor is whatever conference has a decent run that year. It was the MAC one year, the Sunbelt this year, the MW when Boise went. Nor is taking one team going to drastically change any G5 conference. Besides all the knock ons that SLH pointed out.

3. Why would adding Boise make us more attractive to BYU? Who is the other add coming with BYU to get that even number that the super pro Boise/expansion people think is so important? How are we paying for them if they aren't Army, the only team likely to earn it's fair share at that point?

Your IFs ignore the fact that we currently have the NY6 locked up with out adding anyone. We have had multiple teams ranked in the cfp every year and finished with multiple teams ranked in the final poll multiple times as well as having the set up because of AAC rankings of the AAC teams, that our championship game winner is the default NY6 team. Adding Boise doesn't add what we already have.

lol....you need to prepare yourself. If they can work out a way for Boise to be a "football only" member of the AAC---its going to happen. I dont know why your so illogically dismissive of Boise's recent performance. Its better than pretty much any team we have. Boise's name is well known by most any casual college football fan---not just guys who remember the Statue of Liberty play. Boise has finished ranked in the top 25 at the end of most every year for the last decade (2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2017, 2018, 2019). THATS why most people know who Boise is NOW---not so much the Statue of Liberty play from 13 years ago.

Again, the conference has been very disciplined with respect to the loss of UConn. Despite a clear preference to have a 12 team football league, the presidents did not rush out to replace UConn. They did not reach for a subpar warm body pick just because they were a flavor of the month candidate that happened to be in the footprint. Instead, the conference established a list of high quality candidates with brands that actually add prestige and value to the conference. The AAC leaders have remained patient until one of those candidates showed interest. Now one has. If they can work out a deal---they will.
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(12-28-2020 05:04 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Wonder what ESPN thinks. Clearly they like Boise State. But would they like them in the AAC?

I think tv ratings will drastically improve with Boise in the AAC... So I say yes, ESPN will be thrilled over this marriage.

No doubt they would improve, but drastically?

We'd probably add 4 to 5 games each with a million+ viewers a year. Thats the kind of thing that builds long term value to a conference TV package. It also gives the AAC the ability to offer some late night start times that feature an attractive name.
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