Rank the ACC gridiron gigs 1-15 by desirability of a potential coach. Lots of factors involved but you decide what those are.

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Clemson
Notre Dame
FSU
Miami
UNC
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Georgia Tech
NC Stat
Virginia
Pitt
BC
Duke
Syracuse
Wake Forest

If it was all time these would be different. But Clemson can recruit like mad men and Dabo is an amazing coach.

Notre Dame
Clemson
FSU
Miami
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Georgia Tech
Pitt
UNC
NC Stat
Syracuse
Wake Forest
BC
Virginia
Duke

(12-17-2020 08:50 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Notre Dame
Clemson
FSU
Miami
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Georgia Tech
Pitt
UNC
NC Stat
Syracuse
Wake Forest
BC
Virginia
Duke

I agree with this one a little more, although Syracuse is ranked too high and UVA too low IMO (I'd probably swap those two).

Notre Dame
Clemson
Florida State
Miami FL
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Pittsburgh
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Boston College
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Duke

Clemson
Notre Dame
Florida State
Miami
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
Louisville
Virginia
NC State
Georgia Tech
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Boston College
Duke
Wake Forest

Florida State has the potential to be #1. In terms of being desirable to coaches, it’s hard to see Wake Forest as anything other than last in the conference...a small private university in an over-saturated geography, competing against state universities in good or deep-pocket larger private schools.

(12-17-2020 07:40 PM)marleycard Wrote:  Rank the ACC gridiron gigs 1-15 by desirability of a potential coach. Lots of factors involved but you decide what those are.

Go!

OK, if that's the criteria, then I think you'z guys are looking at this wrong.

The historically good jobs aren't necessarily the best place for coaches to go to.

Clemson is going to expect what they've had for the past five years and that is going to be impossible for a new guy to maintain. See The U.

Notre Dame thinks they should go 13-0 and win the NC every year. No thanks.

Florida State was afraid to even play this year. A shadow of what they once were.

I think the jobs people would want are UNC, Louisville and UVA.

They've never really won a lot in football so you'd be idolized if you won there. They would pay well. And lets face it, they'll let you have a lot of... "flexibility" in your job duties.

1 ND
2 FSU
3 Clemson
4 Miami
5 VT
6 Louisville
7 NC
8 NC State
9 Pitt
10 GT
11 Virginia
12 BC
13 Syracuse
14 Duke
15 WF


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(12-18-2020 10:11 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 07:40 PM)marleycard Wrote:  Rank the ACC gridiron gigs 1-15 by desirability of a potential coach. Lots of factors involved but you decide what those are.

Go!

OK, if that's the criteria, then I think you'z guys are looking at this wrong.

The historically good jobs aren't necessarily the best place for coaches to go to.

Clemson is going to expect what they've had for the past five years and that is going to be impossible for a new guy to maintain. See The U.

Notre Dame thinks they should go 13-0 and win the NC every year. No thanks.

Florida State was afraid to even play this year. A shadow of what they once were.

I think the jobs people would want are UNC, Louisville and UVA.

They've never really won a lot in football so you'd be idolized if you won there. They would pay well. And lets face it, they'll let you have a lot of... "flexibility" in your job duties.

Comparing Clemson to Miami is foolish. Miami’s only plus is their physical location. Clemson has the facilities, infrastructure, and most importantly the booster base to sustain the program. That’s why Miami had to cheat it’s ass off every single time they were up.

(12-18-2020 10:11 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 07:40 PM)marleycard Wrote:  Rank the ACC gridiron gigs 1-15 by desirability of a potential coach. Lots of factors involved but you decide what those are.

Go!

OK, if that's the criteria, then I think you'z guys are looking at this wrong.

The historically good jobs aren't necessarily the best place for coaches to go to.

Clemson is going to expect what they've had for the past five years and that is going to be impossible for a new guy to maintain. See The U.

Notre Dame thinks they should go 13-0 and win the NC every year. No thanks.

Florida State was afraid to even play this year. A shadow of what they once were.

I think the jobs people would want are UNC, Louisville and UVA.

They've never really won a lot in football so you'd be idolized if you won there. They would pay well. And lets face it, they'll let you have a lot of... "flexibility" in your job duties.

I agree about the expectation factor. At some schools winning 8 games gets you fired and at some schools winning 8 games makes you a hero. Chances are it will be an internal hire but would you want to be the guy who replaces Dabo Swinney and have nowhere to go but down? Look at the track record for replacing a legend.

I started similar threads at the Big Ten forum for anyone interested.
Football: https://csnbbs.com/thread-913135.html
The men's basketball thread is in the same forum.

(12-19-2020 09:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-18-2020 10:11 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 07:40 PM)marleycard Wrote:  Rank the ACC gridiron gigs 1-15 by desirability of a potential coach. Lots of factors involved but you decide what those are.

Go!

OK, if that's the criteria, then I think you'z guys are looking at this wrong.

The historically good jobs aren't necessarily the best place for coaches to go to.

Clemson is going to expect what they've had for the past five years and that is going to be impossible for a new guy to maintain. See The U.

Notre Dame thinks they should go 13-0 and win the NC every year. No thanks.

Florida State was afraid to even play this year. A shadow of what they once were.

I think the jobs people would want are UNC, Louisville and UVA.

They've never really won a lot in football so you'd be idolized if you won there. They would pay well. And lets face it, they'll let you have a lot of... "flexibility" in your job duties.

Comparing Clemson to Miami is foolish. Miami’s only plus is their physical location. Clemson has the facilities, infrastructure, and most importantly the booster base to sustain the program. That’s why Miami had to cheat it’s ass off every single time they were up.

I guarantee the next guy after Dabo is going to go down as a failure. Same with the guy after Saban at bama.

Day is still riding Urban's coat tails. Give him another year or two.

Oh yeah, some guy will get the job with a huge paycheck... but it will be his last good job.

(12-19-2020 10:57 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-19-2020 09:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-18-2020 10:11 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 07:40 PM)marleycard Wrote:  Rank the ACC gridiron gigs 1-15 by desirability of a potential coach. Lots of factors involved but you decide what those are.

Go!

OK, if that's the criteria, then I think you'z guys are looking at this wrong.

The historically good jobs aren't necessarily the best place for coaches to go to.

Clemson is going to expect what they've had for the past five years and that is going to be impossible for a new guy to maintain. See The U.

Notre Dame thinks they should go 13-0 and win the NC every year. No thanks.

Florida State was afraid to even play this year. A shadow of what they once were.

I think the jobs people would want are UNC, Louisville and UVA.

They've never really won a lot in football so you'd be idolized if you won there. They would pay well. And lets face it, they'll let you have a lot of... "flexibility" in your job duties.

Comparing Clemson to Miami is foolish. Miami’s only plus is their physical location. Clemson has the facilities, infrastructure, and most importantly the booster base to sustain the program. That’s why Miami had to cheat it’s ass off every single time they were up.

I guarantee the next guy after Dabo is going to go down as a failure. Same with the guy after Saban at bama.

Day is still riding Urban's coat tails. Give him another year or two.

Oh yeah, some guy will get the job with a huge paycheck... but it will be his last good job.

What if the next guy after Saban ... is Dabo?

So the rest of the ACC thinks GT MBB is a cushier job than GT FB. And that both are in the bottom half of the conference. OK.

(12-19-2020 12:41 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So the rest of the ACC thinks GT MBB is a cushier job than GT FB. And that both are in the bottom half of the conference. OK.

Would you rather compete with Georgia men's basketball or Georgia football? Would you rather play in the best conference (GT MBB) or second best conference and that's assuming they are (GT FB)?

(12-19-2020 10:57 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-19-2020 09:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-18-2020 10:11 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 07:40 PM)marleycard Wrote:  Rank the ACC gridiron gigs 1-15 by desirability of a potential coach. Lots of factors involved but you decide what those are.

Go!

OK, if that's the criteria, then I think you'z guys are looking at this wrong.

The historically good jobs aren't necessarily the best place for coaches to go to.

Clemson is going to expect what they've had for the past five years and that is going to be impossible for a new guy to maintain. See The U.

Notre Dame thinks they should go 13-0 and win the NC every year. No thanks.

Florida State was afraid to even play this year. A shadow of what they once were.

I think the jobs people would want are UNC, Louisville and UVA.

They've never really won a lot in football so you'd be idolized if you won there. They would pay well. And lets face it, they'll let you have a lot of... "flexibility" in your job duties.

Comparing Clemson to Miami is foolish. Miami’s only plus is their physical location. Clemson has the facilities, infrastructure, and most importantly the booster base to sustain the program. That’s why Miami had to cheat it’s ass off every single time they were up.

I guarantee the next guy after Dabo is going to go down as a failure. Same with the guy after Saban at bama.

Day is still riding Urban's coat tails. Give him another year or two.

Oh yeah, some guy will get the job with a huge paycheck... but it will be his last good job.

If the next guy fails it will be because of something that he did. The infrastructure, facilities, and booster support will all be there.

Ken Hatfield failed after Danny Ford because he screwed up recruiting pipelines that had been Clemson’s for a generation and alienated IPTAY even more than the AD and President had.


Day isn’t going to fail at Ohio State because he’s following Urban’s playbook. Riley isn’t going to fail at OU because he’s following the Stoops playbook. Whoever replaces Dabo will either be someone on his staff like Tony Elliott or Brandon Streeter or will be someone who has been on his staff like Jeff Scott. They are smart enough to know not to throw out the recipe.


As stated earlier the only thing Miami has going for it over Clemson at this point is physical location. Everything else that makes a job desirable is in Clemson’s favor.

(12-19-2020 01:16 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-19-2020 12:41 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So the rest of the ACC thinks GT MBB is a cushier job than GT FB. And that both are in the bottom half of the conference. OK.

Would you rather compete with Georgia men's basketball or Georgia football? Would you rather play in the best conference (GT MBB) or second best conference and that's assuming they are (GT FB)?

Georgia doesn't give a rip about basketball. That's one game. Duke, UNC, Louisville, and Syracuse do. That's at least four games. If you're ranking purely by fear of the neighbors putting GT MBB higher makes no sense.

(12-19-2020 02:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-19-2020 01:16 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-19-2020 12:41 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So the rest of the ACC thinks GT MBB is a cushier job than GT FB. And that both are in the bottom half of the conference. OK.

Would you rather compete with Georgia men's basketball or Georgia football? Would you rather play in the best conference (GT MBB) or second best conference and that's assuming they are (GT FB)?

Georgia doesn't give a rip about basketball. That's one game. Duke, UNC, Louisville, and Syracuse do. That's at least four games. If you're ranking purely by fear of the neighbors putting GT MBB higher makes no sense.

I'm putting the men's basketball job/team higher because it's easier to win and recruit when you're not the automatic 2nd choice in your state.

And yet GT has more FB NC and one more recently. GT MBB didn't do squat prior to Cremins.

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