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TigerBlue4Ever · 12-16-2020 11:33 PM

(12-16-2020 11:28 PM)Atlanta Wrote: I've seen jr high teams more fundamentally sound. So much talent, so careless, so little idea of what should be accomplished on each possession - offense & defense. Come on, coach 'em up.

Coach needs a coach to coach him up.

Browning Hall · 12-16-2020 11:36 PM

Seems like Cal often needed a Christmas break before his guys “got it”. Let us pray this is something similar.

steves · 12-16-2020 11:47 PM

(12-16-2020 11:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote: Must be a Memphis jinx on FTs. Otherwise how could an 80% FT shooter be this bad.

gotta be the shoes !!

Alanda · 12-16-2020 11:59 PM

(12-16-2020 11:13 PM)macgar32 Wrote: DJ 6 TO's

I just don't remember that many

I didn't see all of the game, but I know two of them were from charges.

passat25 · 12-17-2020 03:06 AM

Sloppy game but got the win.. I am ready to see some consistent improvement.. Seemed like they where trying to get more points in the paint this game and that's a good thing... Hopefully everything will click soon.

Williams is the type of player Memphis needed badly this year.. He brings tons of depth to the offense.

AtlTigerfan · 12-17-2020 06:36 AM

(12-16-2020 11:36 PM)Browning Hall Wrote: Seems like Cal often needed a Christmas break before his guys “got it”. Let us pray this is something similar.

He needs one this year too. 03-wink

gusrob · 12-17-2020 09:29 AM

(12-17-2020 03:06 AM)passat25 Wrote: Sloppy game but got the win.. I am ready to see some consistent improvement.. Seemed like they where trying to get more points in the paint this game and that's a good thing... Hopefully everything will click soon.

Williams is the type of player Memphis needed badly this year.. He brings tons of depth to the offense.

Thnak God we got DeAndre Williams on the floor!!

tigerlands · 12-17-2020 09:36 AM

(12-16-2020 11:25 PM)450bench Wrote: Can’t stand Ron Hunter. Seriously

But he seems to be doing a decent job at Tulane. That team looks pretty good to me.

salukiblue · 12-17-2020 10:24 AM

14 minutes for Boogie last night.

20 for Lomax.

macgar32 · 12-17-2020 10:37 AM

(12-17-2020 10:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote: 14 minutes for Boogie last night.

20 for Lomax.

Lomax +16 in those minutes
Boogie -9

salukiblue · 12-17-2020 10:53 AM

(12-17-2020 10:37 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(12-17-2020 10:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote: 14 minutes for Boogie last night.

20 for Lomax.

Lomax +16 in those minutes
Boogie -9

Lomax was +14, fyi:
https://gotigersgo.com/documents/2020/12...121620.PDF

+/- is a misleading stat, but I get the overall idea.

Lester was +13.

Are we trying to say Lomax was better for the team while on the floor than when Lester was?

salukiblue · 12-17-2020 10:59 AM

For +/- purposes, one can be a passive participant through no fault of their own in a 7-0 run and get tagged with a (-7).

macgar32 · 12-17-2020 10:59 AM

(12-17-2020 10:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:
(12-17-2020 10:37 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(12-17-2020 10:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote: 14 minutes for Boogie last night.

20 for Lomax.

Lomax +16 in those minutes
Boogie -9

Lomax was +14, fyi:
https://gotigersgo.com/documents/2020/12...121620.PDF

+/- is a misleading stat, but I get the overall idea.

Lester was +13.

Are we trying to say Lomax was better for the team while on the floor than when Lester was?

We are saying lineups that included Lomax were better than lineups including Lester. I think that is what that stat means.

Lineups with Lester without Lomax were -7 (10 minutes)...All but one of those lineups included Baugh or Boogie.

salukiblue · 12-17-2020 11:07 AM

(12-17-2020 10:59 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(12-17-2020 10:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:
(12-17-2020 10:37 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(12-17-2020 10:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote: 14 minutes for Boogie last night.

20 for Lomax.

Lomax +16 in those minutes
Boogie -9

Lomax was +14, fyi:
https://gotigersgo.com/documents/2020/12...121620.PDF

+/- is a misleading stat, but I get the overall idea.

Lester was +13.

Are we trying to say Lomax was better for the team while on the floor than when Lester was?

We are saying lineups that included Lomax were better than lineups including Lester. I think that is what that stat means.

Boogie and Baugh both took a (-9) at the end of the 1st half. Along with Jayde, Lance, and DJ.

In that 2+ minute sequence:

Lance was blocked.
Jayden had a turnover.
Dj missed a bunny.

Kevin Cross (6'8 240 PF) had 5 points, a steal, a rebound, a block, and an assist.

I imagine that was Lance's responsibility, yet somehow Boogie and Baugh get the (-9) hung on them.

macgar32 · 12-17-2020 11:14 AM

(12-17-2020 11:07 AM)salukiblue Wrote:
(12-17-2020 10:59 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(12-17-2020 10:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:
(12-17-2020 10:37 AM)macgar32 Wrote:
(12-17-2020 10:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote: 14 minutes for Boogie last night.

20 for Lomax.

Lomax +16 in those minutes
Boogie -9

Lomax was +14, fyi:
https://gotigersgo.com/documents/2020/12...121620.PDF

+/- is a misleading stat, but I get the overall idea.

Lester was +13.

Are we trying to say Lomax was better for the team while on the floor than when Lester was?

We are saying lineups that included Lomax were better than lineups including Lester. I think that is what that stat means.

Boogie and Baugh both took a (-9) at the end of the 1st half. Along with Jayde, Lance, and DJ.

In that 2+ minute sequence:

Lance was blocked.
Jayden had a turnover.
Dj missed a bunny.

Kevin Cross (6'8 240 PF) had 5 points, a steal, a rebound, a block, and an assist.

I imagine that was Lance's responsibility, yet somehow Boogie and Baugh get the (-9) hung on them.

Hmmm...

Lester was -7 without Lomax...Those are some short coatails...

All but one of those lineups included Baugh or Boogie.

Obviously single game stats are going to have some anomalies...I agree with that. But Lomax was much less a negative than the other 2 this game.

cmt · 12-17-2020 11:20 AM

+/- needs lots of data. Too many flukes in a +/- stat of 14-20 minutes. Its also dependent on who else is on the floor.

salukiblue · 12-17-2020 11:21 AM

Lester was +1 without Lomax.

Right off the bat he was +6 at the 16:37 mark of the first half when Lomax 1st came in and it was 8-2.

salukiblue · 12-17-2020 11:29 AM

(12-17-2020 11:20 AM)cmt Wrote: +/- needs lots of data. Too many flukes in a +/- stat of 14-20 minutes. Its also dependent on who else is on the floor.

Yeah, Lomax played straight from 9:02 until 0:55 to go in the game.

He came in with it being a 1 point Tigers lead and left with it a 12 point lead, so he got +11 in that stretch.

His contribution:

2 ft's
0 FGA
2 assists
1 foul

Basically, he just stayed out of the way.

And that's not a bad thing.

macgar32 · 12-17-2020 11:47 AM

(12-17-2020 11:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote: Lester was +1 without Lomax.

Right off the bat he was +6 at the 16:37 mark of the first half when Lomax 1st came in and it was 8-2.

Lester was -7 for the game without Lomax

Again ALo was not that catalyst...But he was much better than his replacements. Only segment where Lester was + without Lomax was the first one.

Code:

starttime    pts    opp_pts    lineup    endtime

0    8    2    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'CISSE,MOUSSA', 'JEFFRIES,D.J.', 'NOLLEY II,LANDERS', 'QUINONES,LESTER']    16:37

24    0    0    ['CISSE,MOUSSA', 'ELLIS,BOOGIE', 'HARDAWAY,JAYDEN', 'QUINONES,LESTER', 'WILLIAMS,DEANDRE']    10:55

55    0    0    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'CISSE,MOUSSA', 'ELLIS,BOOGIE', 'QUINONES,LESTER', 'WILLIAMS,DEANDRE']    10:10

10    0    1    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'NOLLEY II,LANDERS', 'QUINONES,LESTER', 'THOMAS,LANCE', 'WILLIAMS,DEANDRE']    9:37

37    0    0    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'JEFFRIES,D.J.', 'NOLLEY II,LANDERS', 'QUINONES,LESTER', 'THOMAS,LANCE']    7:55

37    0    3    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'CISSE,MOUSSA', 'JEFFRIES,D.J.', 'NOLLEY II,LANDERS', 'QUINONES,LESTER']    6:31

0    4    5    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'CISSE,MOUSSA', 'JEFFRIES,D.J.', 'NOLLEY II,LANDERS', 'QUINONES,LESTER']    17:14

14    2    2    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'JEFFRIES,D.J.', 'NOLLEY II,LANDERS', 'QUINONES,LESTER', 'WILLIAMS,DEANDRE']    16:54

19    2    4    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'ELLIS,BOOGIE', 'JEFFRIES,D.J.', 'NOLLEY II,LANDERS', 'QUINONES,LESTER']    9:02

55    3    4    ['HARDAWAY,JAYDEN', 'JEFFRIES,D.J.', 'NOLLEY II,LANDERS', 'QUINONES,LESTER', 'WILLIAMS,DEANDRE']    0:43

43    0    2    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'HARDAWAY,JAYDEN', 'JEFFRIES,D.J.', 'QUINONES,LESTER', 'WILLIAMS,DEANDRE']    0:38

38    0    1    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'HARDAWAY,JAYDEN', 'JEFFRIES,D.J.', 'NOLLEY II,LANDERS', 'QUINONES,LESTER']    0:36

36    5    7    ['BAUGH,DAMION', 'HARDAWAY,JAYDEN', 'JEFFRIES,D.J.', 'QUINONES,LESTER', 'WILLIAMS,DEANDRE']    0

memtigbb · 12-17-2020 11:49 AM

(12-17-2020 11:29 AM)salukiblue Wrote:
(12-17-2020 11:20 AM)cmt Wrote: +/- needs lots of data. Too many flukes in a +/- stat of 14-20 minutes. Its also dependent on who else is on the floor.

Yeah, Lomax played straight from 9:02 until 0:55 to go in the game.

He came in with it being a 1 point Tigers lead and left with it a 12 point lead, so he got +11 in that stretch.

His contribution:

2 ft's
0 FGA
2 assists
1 foul

Basically, he just stayed out of the way.

And that's not a bad thing.

yeah that is the downside of the +/-

At one point, ALo and Williams came in together. Within 30 seconds William scored 4 pts. ALo had yet to even touch the ball, but in the +/= ALo was +4.

We all know though, you can throw all the numbers out and just watch. We are in desperate need of a PG.

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