(12-15-2020 02:31 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 11:07 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 10:53 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  One other thing, while the vaccine is highly effective against Covid-19 disease, there's no evidence that those vaccinated won't continue spreading the disease. In other words, the vaccine may prevent disease but not spread.

I was listening to Dr. Fauci speak about that point on CSPAN, but he thinks we'll have the real-world data in a few months regarding prevention. There's no way a trial of random people across the US/world could have measured for prevention.

As of now though, these seem similar to the flu vaccine (although way more effective). It can drastically reduce your symptoms, but you can still spread it to others. But like the flu vaccine (or any other), it gives you the choice to protect yourself or not. No longer will so many have to worry about going out, getting infected, and possibly dying.

On another note, this is the first time mankind has ever created a vaccine for a coronavirus strain. Since most common colds are coronaviruses, obviously not anywhere as deadly though, it'll be interesting if we apply the technology there too.

edit: the scientists will definitely win the Nobel prize. This situation is about as open and shut case for it.

Right, this virus does more than just kill you. I just read that Trump's head of security, who has been battling his virus infection for a couple of months now, had to have part of his leg amputated.

Yeah the effects shouldn't be measured just by the 300,000 plus people who have died. Some people have become disabled in not so obvious ways, the so called long haulers, and how long those disabilities last isn't known at this point.

If he had his leg amputated it was because of diabetes or something, not the damn covid. Good grief.

(12-15-2020 07:05 PM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 06:06 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The New York Times has posted a calculator to help determine where you are in line for the vaccine. Enter your age, occupation, where you live, and comorbidities. Predicts your place nationally, in your state, and in your county. Here -

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020...google1tap

Interesting stuff. They predict I'm in line behind 4.2 million other people in Harris County, Texas. (The population of Harris County is ~4.7 million).

See you in October, doc.

They must be counting all the illegal aliens Biden is planning on bringing in. The Pfizer vaccine is not approved for those under 16.

(12-16-2020 10:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 02:31 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 11:07 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 10:53 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  One other thing, while the vaccine is highly effective against Covid-19 disease, there's no evidence that those vaccinated won't continue spreading the disease. In other words, the vaccine may prevent disease but not spread.

I was listening to Dr. Fauci speak about that point on CSPAN, but he thinks we'll have the real-world data in a few months regarding prevention. There's no way a trial of random people across the US/world could have measured for prevention.

As of now though, these seem similar to the flu vaccine (although way more effective). It can drastically reduce your symptoms, but you can still spread it to others. But like the flu vaccine (or any other), it gives you the choice to protect yourself or not. No longer will so many have to worry about going out, getting infected, and possibly dying.

On another note, this is the first time mankind has ever created a vaccine for a coronavirus strain. Since most common colds are coronaviruses, obviously not anywhere as deadly though, it'll be interesting if we apply the technology there too.

edit: the scientists will definitely win the Nobel prize. This situation is about as open and shut case for it.

Right, this virus does more than just kill you. I just read that Trump's head of security, who has been battling his virus infection for a couple of months now, had to have part of his leg amputated.

Yeah the effects shouldn't be measured just by the 300,000 plus people who have died. Some people have become disabled in not so obvious ways, the so called long haulers, and how long those disabilities last isn't known at this point.

What? All 12 of them? Do you really buy that nonsense?

(12-16-2020 10:34 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If he had his leg amputated it was because of diabetes or something, not the damn covid. Good grief.

Its amazing what drivel the MSM puts out that people believe.

I don't recall Trump having the flesh eating virus.

(12-16-2020 11:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 10:34 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If he had his leg amputated it was because of diabetes or something, not the damn covid. Good grief.

Its amazing what drivel the MSM puts out that people believe.

I don't recall Trump having the flesh eating virus.

The willful ignorance here is astounding. Lower extremity arterial thrombosis is common in severe cases of Covid. To prevent it many patients take Eliquis or more basic blood thinners. There are easily searchable medical articles on it: https://www.tctmd.com/news/covid-19-pati...-and-death

https://www.podiatrytoday.com/studies-no...9-pandemic


Stop spreading misinformation (or preferably, simply shut the **** up)

(12-16-2020 11:46 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 11:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 10:34 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If he had his leg amputated it was because of diabetes or something, not the damn covid. Good grief.

Its amazing what drivel the MSM puts out that people believe.

I don't recall Trump having the flesh eating virus.

The willful ignorance here is astounding. Lower extremity arterial thrombosis is common in severe cases of Covid. To prevent it many patients take Eliquis or more basic blood thinners. There are easily searchable medical articles on it: https://www.tctmd.com/news/covid-19-pati...-and-death

https://www.podiatrytoday.com/studies-no...9-pandemic


Stop spreading misinformation (or preferably, simply shut the **** up)

Please define "common" and "severe cases".

This is what frustrates me about this entire ordeal, the fear porn propagated by the left.

There have been 16 million cases in the U.S. How many qualify as severe and how many of those have had lower extremity thrombosis? How maany of them had no prior vascular issues? Who knows. We just get statements such as "Lower extremity arterial thrombosis is common in severe cases of Covid." Without context, that statement is nothing but fear porn.

The study you link is an examination of people undergoing vascular surgery. Perhaps their circulation was compromised even prior to COVID. Maybe a better statement would be people with crappy circulation don't tolerate covid and are more likely to experience thrombosis resulting in amputation. They also discuss diabetics having increased amputations since covid, likely due to crappy circulation and loss of routine care due to the over-reaching shutdowns. But no we get statements left intentionally vague to scare the crap out of non-medical people.

These are the types of people we should have been quarantining from day one. Not the healthy people.

Do you know what happens to a virus when you hide from it for 2 weeks, I mean six weeks, I mean just another month or 2? Nothing. It doesn't go away. We are voluntarily extending this pandemic by pretending it will go away if we hide long enough.

(12-16-2020 12:26 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  Please define "common" and "severe cases".

This is what frustrates me about this entire ordeal, the fear porn propagated by the left.

There have been 16 million cases in the U.S. How many qualify as severe and how many of those have had lower extremity thrombosis? How maany of them had no prior vascular issues? Who knows. We just get statements such as "Lower extremity arterial thrombosis is common in severe cases of Covid." Without context, that statement is nothing but fear porn.

The study you link is an examination of people undergoing vascular surgery. Perhaps their circulation was compromised even prior to COVID. Maybe a better statement would be people with crappy circulation don't tolerate covid and are more likely to experience thrombosis resulting in amputation. They also discuss diabetics having increased amputations since covid, likely due to crappy circulation and loss of routine care due to the over-reaching shutdowns. But no we get statements left intentionally vague to scare the crap out of non-medical people.

These are the types of people we should have been quarantining from day one. Not the healthy people.

Do you know what happens to a virus when you hide from it for 2 weeks, I mean six weeks, I mean just another month or 2? Nothing. It doesn't go away. We are voluntarily extending this pandemic by pretending it will go away if we hide long enough.

Common sense escapes the morons.

(12-16-2020 12:26 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 11:46 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 11:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 10:34 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If he had his leg amputated it was because of diabetes or something, not the damn covid. Good grief.

Its amazing what drivel the MSM puts out that people believe.

I don't recall Trump having the flesh eating virus.

The willful ignorance here is astounding. Lower extremity arterial thrombosis is common in severe cases of Covid. To prevent it many patients take Eliquis or more basic blood thinners. There are easily searchable medical articles on it: https://www.tctmd.com/news/covid-19-pati...-and-death

https://www.podiatrytoday.com/studies-no...9-pandemic


Stop spreading misinformation (or preferably, simply shut the **** up)

Please define "common" and "severe cases".

This is what frustrates me about this entire ordeal, the fear porn propagated by the left.

There have been 16 million cases in the U.S. How many qualify as severe and how many of those have had lower extremity thrombosis? How maany of them had no prior vascular issues? Who knows. We just get statements such as "Lower extremity arterial thrombosis is common in severe cases of Covid." Without context, that statement is nothing but fear porn.

The study you link is an examination of people undergoing vascular surgery. Perhaps their circulation was compromised even prior to COVID. Maybe a better statement would be people with crappy circulation don't tolerate covid and are more likely to experience thrombosis resulting in amputation. They also discuss diabetics having increased amputations since covid, likely due to crappy circulation and loss of routine care due to the over-reaching shutdowns. But no we get statements left intentionally vague to scare the crap out of non-medical people.

These are the types of people we should have been quarantining from day one. Not the healthy people.

Do you know what happens to a virus when you hide from it for 2 weeks, I mean six weeks, I mean just another month or 2? Nothing. It doesn't go away. We are voluntarily extending this pandemic by pretending it will go away if we hide long enough.

Did I say the average Covid patient gets it? No. Just like the average person with diabetes doesn’t lose a leg. I referenced sick people with Covid having increased risk for it. It’s well documented. That observance is why treatment care changed. And all of this is in reference to Bartlett and bullet claiming homeboys leg loss was not Covid related.

From the first article:

For the study, Goldman and co-investigators Meir H. Scheinfeld MD, PhD (Montefiore Medical Center), and Kenny Ye, PhD (Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY), retrospectively examined data on 16 patients with COVID-19 who underwent CT angiography of the lower extremities in March and April 2020. Only five COVID-19 patients had leg symptoms alone, with all others having a combination of leg symptoms as well as fever, cough, dyspnea, altered mental status, or hypoxia. A matched-control cohort of 32 patients without COVID-19 who had undergone CT angiography of the lower extremities between the months of January and April in 2018, 2019, and 2020 was used for comparison.

Every COVID-19 patient had at least one thrombus on imaging compared with 69% of controls (P = 0.02). Additionally, the leg thrombi were proximal in 94% of the COVID-19 patients versus 47% of controls (P < 0.001). Even with three different scoring systems, the mean thrombus scores in the COVID-19 cohort were significantly higher than those without the virus.

(12-15-2020 04:05 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(12-15-2020 10:53 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if those who were involved in the fundamental research that allowed MRNA technology to be applied to a vaccine get The Nobel Prize.
One other thing, while the vaccine is highly effective against Covid-19 disease, there's no evidence that those vaccinated won't continue spreading the disease. In other words, the vaccine may prevent disease but not spread.

They will have to wait until they give one to Biden for...... i dunno, doin' something ?

There are multiple Nobel prizes. This one would be for medicine, which a politician would absolutely not be considered for.

(12-16-2020 12:38 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 12:26 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 11:46 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 11:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 10:34 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If he had his leg amputated it was because of diabetes or something, not the damn covid. Good grief.

Its amazing what drivel the MSM puts out that people believe.

I don't recall Trump having the flesh eating virus.

The willful ignorance here is astounding. Lower extremity arterial thrombosis is common in severe cases of Covid. To prevent it many patients take Eliquis or more basic blood thinners. There are easily searchable medical articles on it: https://www.tctmd.com/news/covid-19-pati...-and-death

https://www.podiatrytoday.com/studies-no...9-pandemic


Stop spreading misinformation (or preferably, simply shut the **** up)

Please define "common" and "severe cases".

This is what frustrates me about this entire ordeal, the fear porn propagated by the left.

There have been 16 million cases in the U.S. How many qualify as severe and how many of those have had lower extremity thrombosis? How maany of them had no prior vascular issues? Who knows. We just get statements such as "Lower extremity arterial thrombosis is common in severe cases of Covid." Without context, that statement is nothing but fear porn.

The study you link is an examination of people undergoing vascular surgery. Perhaps their circulation was compromised even prior to COVID. Maybe a better statement would be people with crappy circulation don't tolerate covid and are more likely to experience thrombosis resulting in amputation. They also discuss diabetics having increased amputations since covid, likely due to crappy circulation and loss of routine care due to the over-reaching shutdowns. But no we get statements left intentionally vague to scare the crap out of non-medical people.

These are the types of people we should have been quarantining from day one. Not the healthy people.

Do you know what happens to a virus when you hide from it for 2 weeks, I mean six weeks, I mean just another month or 2? Nothing. It doesn't go away. We are voluntarily extending this pandemic by pretending it will go away if we hide long enough.

Did I say the average Covid patient gets it? No. Just like the average person with diabetes doesn’t lose a leg. I referenced sick people with Covid having increased risk for it. It’s well documented. That observance is why treatment care changed. And all of this is in reference to Bartlett and bullet claiming homeboys leg loss was not Covid related.

From the first article:

For the study, Goldman and co-investigators Meir H. Scheinfeld MD, PhD (Montefiore Medical Center), and Kenny Ye, PhD (Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY), retrospectively examined data on 16 patients with COVID-19 who underwent CT angiography of the lower extremities in March and April 2020. Only five COVID-19 patients had leg symptoms alone, with all others having a combination of leg symptoms as well as fever, cough, dyspnea, altered mental status, or hypoxia. A matched-control cohort of 32 patients without COVID-19 who had undergone CT angiography of the lower extremities between the months of January and April in 2018, 2019, and 2020 was used for comparison.

Every COVID-19 patient had at least one thrombus on imaging compared with 69% of controls (P = 0.02). Additionally, the leg thrombi were proximal in 94% of the COVID-19 patients versus 47% of controls (P < 0.001). Even with three different scoring systems, the mean thrombus scores in the COVID-19 cohort were significantly higher than those without the virus.

No, you said it was "common".
How many people with covid get thrombi?
How many covid people with thrombi require amputation?
It would also be really nice to know how many of those people were otherwise healthy?

Like I said, it's all fear porn. Your study statistics are meaningless to the general population when the above questions are not answered. It's really all that matters to regular people. One college kid from Indiana gets myocarditis and the MSM freaks out, never mentioning that the list of viruses causing myocarditis is longer than a porn star's johnson. Nothing in those biostats discusses the patients that were tested. Were they compromised vascularly before covid? Probably, cuz if they were healthy the fear-porn-mongerers would've put it in the title.