(12-02-2020 02:51 PM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 12:23 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 12:15 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 11:52 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 11:42 AM)olddawg Wrote:  Voted for #2. But it's not as strong of an opinion as it would have been before The Cartel circled the wagons on Bowl Games.
The thought of having a great season, knocking off a P5 and being ranked would be great during the season. It would be a huuuuge letdown though, to have as our reward a trip to the Glen's Fair Price Bowl in Pigsknuckle Arkansas against Kent St.

Exactly.

If we were ranked and had a top 25 season we would likely play a App State, CCU, or Marshall who was also was having a very good season.

In FCS if we have a great season we play Weber state, Monmouth, UNH, and possible NDSU if we both make it to the NC. Not only that our OOC home schedule always sucks in FCS. Sorry - Weber & Chattanooga are better than they past, but really not very exciting for most fans.

but App State has been ranked at year end once.

we've made 3 of the last 4 title games.

which is more likely to occur each year?

us in Frisco? or App State ranked at year end?

i'd rate Frisco at 50% on average each year
getting ranked at less than 3% each year

i think i am over starting every fall striving for a Championship game in Frisco TX, put in an 11 am local time slot because it can't interfere with any other " tv events" and played in sub freezing winter participation.
I'd take a meaningful regular season and "big" games in beautiful Valley fall weather against our FBS peers, in state and out, and the occasional P5, and a " decent" bowl game if we have a good year. Let's face it, outside of about 4- 5 bowls including the playoffs, the rest are all in the same League.
This argument is about having a more exciting regular season than it is about the final game IMO.

Exactly!

(12-02-2020 03:12 PM)Purple Wrote:  Is this a rhetorical question?

It's kind of like asking, "Would you rather have an ice cream cone or a million dollars?" I love ice cream, but it wouldn't take long to make that decision.

The reason for the poll, is because there are different opinions.

No rights, or wrongs - just different opinions.

Just opinions

(12-02-2020 01:50 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 01:37 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Would you be more excited if

1) Everyone agreed with your opinion so you could stop making the same argument over and over
2) Everyone kept disagreeing

Did you vote?

Oh goodness no. I think we'll need another 20-30 threads talking about the same exact thing, with the same exact reasoning, before I could possibly form an opinion on this.

(12-02-2020 04:21 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 01:50 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 01:37 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Would you be more excited if

1) Everyone agreed with your opinion so you could stop making the same argument over and over
2) Everyone kept disagreeing

Did you vote?

Oh goodness no. I think we'll need another 20-30 threads talking about the same exact thing, with the same exact reasoning, before I could possibly form an opinion on this.

A measured approach. Monitoring, if you will.

Is there any way to convert this thread to a 'uniform color scheme' topic?

Uniform schemes don't give a damn! Neither do honey badgers.

(12-02-2020 02:09 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I'm no Karen or Ken so I'll play....

The playoff road to an FCS NC is a ton of fun

The FBS teams we would be playing to get a top 25 ranking trumps the FCS playoffs. No to mention the money involved in being top 25.

Is it though? Other than games against NDSU and 1 game against Weber the last four playoff runs have had just as big of lopsided games as the regular season. I mean did UNI ever cross midfield?

(12-03-2020 07:14 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 02:09 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I'm no Karen or Ken so I'll play....

The playoff road to an FCS NC is a ton of fun

The FBS teams we would be playing to get a top 25 ranking trumps the FCS playoffs. No to mention the money involved in being top 25.

Is it though? Other than games against NDSU and 1 game against Weber the last four playoff runs have had just as big of lopsided games as the regular season. I mean did UNI ever cross midfield?

i mean, really?

you didn't have fun watching us beat down undefeated and #1 ranked Sam Houston after all the smack they talked?

I'm pretty sure everyone i saw at the game and on these boards thoroughly enjoyed that.

instead of knocking the opponent all the time, maybe give our boys credit for being bad ass and opening a can on them Texas boys.

JMU should be playing teams their own size, not small CAA schools

(12-03-2020 07:14 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  I mean did UNI ever cross midfield?

I didn't feel like that game was really in hand until we had the late 4th quarter score. A 10-0 lead against the #5 team in the nation, regardless of their offensive struggles, didn't exactly have me comfortable in my seat. I'd also make an argument that it was more of a defensive masterclass than it was UNI being sub-par competition.

Also, let's harken back to a team back in 2007 that was trailing 10-0 late in the first half that hadn't crossed midfield. Things can change in a hurry.

(12-03-2020 08:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 07:14 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 02:09 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I'm no Karen or Ken so I'll play....

The playoff road to an FCS NC is a ton of fun

The FBS teams we would be playing to get a top 25 ranking trumps the FCS playoffs. No to mention the money involved in being top 25.

Is it though? Other than games against NDSU and 1 game against Weber the last four playoff runs have had just as big of lopsided games as the regular season. I mean did UNI ever cross midfield?

i mean, really?

you didn't have fun watching us beat down undefeated and #1 ranked Sam Houston after all the smack they talked?

I'm pretty sure everyone i saw at the game and on these boards thoroughly enjoyed that.

instead of knocking the opponent all the time, maybe give our boys credit for being bad ass and opening a can on them Texas boys.

You think we are bad ass in 1AA with superior facilities, resources, and fan support? Imagine what we could do in DII against Valdosta State.

Go Dukes!



Hard to imagine after seeing JMU beat Sam Houston State that CCU, ODU, & Liberty still moved up. Hope the CAA stands firm and does not allow them to join the CAA.

I told my friends from ODU when they beat Tech at home - "yeah, be we beat Sam Houston at home".



Yes we're in a league below Va Tech, Liberty, UVA, ODU, but we win a lot.

Let’s all be honest here. We’ll all continue to travel to a mediocre weekend in Frisco because we root for Dukes. I’m not sure a bowl game in Montgomery AL is necessarily any more exciting, but it is different and would be a step in the right direction for JMU because it represents growth. We’d all be there rooting as well and that’s the strength of our fan base and just another item that should make us attractive as a move up.

(12-03-2020 08:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 07:14 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 02:09 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I'm no Karen or Ken so I'll play....

The playoff road to an FCS NC is a ton of fun

The FBS teams we would be playing to get a top 25 ranking trumps the FCS playoffs. No to mention the money involved in being top 25.

Is it though? Other than games against NDSU and 1 game against Weber the last four playoff runs have had just as big of lopsided games as the regular season. I mean did UNI ever cross midfield?

i mean, really?

you didn't have fun watching us beat down undefeated and #1 ranked Sam Houston after all the smack they talked?

I'm pretty sure everyone i saw at the game and on these boards thoroughly enjoyed that.

instead of knocking the opponent all the time, maybe give our boys credit for being bad ass and opening a can on them Texas boys.

The night home game against Sam Houston is one of my favorite football memories as a student. Besides college gameday, it’s the most energy and excitement I’ve felt on campus about an upcoming football game. The admin did a phenomenal job hyping up the student body. Playoff games can be a lot of fun outside of the first round or two, just wish we could get better turnout.

(12-03-2020 09:25 AM)Madisonian Wrote:  Let’s all be honest here. We’ll all continue to travel to a mediocre weekend in Frisco because we root for Dukes. I’m not sure a bowl game in Montgomery AL is necessarily any more exciting, but it is different and would be a step in the right direction for JMU because it represents growth. We’d all be there rooting as well and that’s the strength of our fan base and just another item that should make us attractive as a move up.

Honestly, I will tell you as a family we decided, at best, we would be taking a break from visiting Frisco again anytime soon. Same place. Same cold. Same morning game. Either same school, or a school that would be less attractive.

Basically my family came for me last time. Wife does not like Frisco. My boys don't even like it. Wife does not love Frisco. My boys don't even like it.

While I know NDSU seems to love going to the same place every year. The Dukesters do not.

One of the main reasons I went last time was to never miss a JMU NC FB game, but that would likely change next time.

Now I will 110% watch on TV, but I will watch JMU - Elon on TV so of course......

(12-03-2020 09:17 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I told my friends from ODU when they beat Tech at home - "yeah, be we beat Sam Houston at home".

FBS teams boasting about upsets against VT like it doesn't happen every single year like clockwork with the Chokies, hilarious.

2010 JMU 21, #13 VT 16
2011 #21 Clemson 38, #5 VT 10
2012 Pitt 35, #13 VT 17
2013 Duke 13, #16 VT 10
2014 ECU 28, #17 VT 21
2015 ECU 35, [receiving votes] VT 28
2016 Syracuse 31, #17 VT 17
2017 GT 28, #17 VT 22
2018 ODU 49, #13 VT 35
2019 Virginia 39, #24 VT 30
2020 WF 23, #19 VT 16

(12-03-2020 10:06 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 09:17 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I told my friends from ODU when they beat Tech at home - "yeah, be we beat Sam Houston at home".

FBS teams boasting about upsets against VT like it doesn't happen every single year like clockwork with the Chokies, hilarious.

2010 JMU 21, #13 VT 16
2011 #21 Clemson 38, #5 VT 10
2012 Pitt 35, #13 VT 17
2013 Duke 13, #16 VT 10
2014 ECU 28, #17 VT 21
2015 ECU 35, [receiving votes] VT 28
2016 Syracuse 31, #17 VT 17
2017 GT 28, #17 VT 22
2018 ODU 49, #13 VT 35
2019 Virginia 39, #24 VT 30
2020 WF 23, #19 VT 16

(12-03-2020 10:11 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 10:06 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 09:17 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I told my friends from ODU when they beat Tech at home - "yeah, be we beat Sam Houston at home".

FBS teams boasting about upsets against VT like it doesn't happen every single year like clockwork with the Chokies, hilarious.

2010 JMU 21, #13 VT 16
2011 #21 Clemson 38, #5 VT 10
2012 Pitt 35, #13 VT 17
2013 Duke 13, #16 VT 10
2014 ECU 28, #17 VT 21
2015 ECU 35, [receiving votes] VT 28
2016 Syracuse 31, #17 VT 17
2017 GT 28, #17 VT 22
2018 ODU 49, #13 VT 35
2019 Virginia 39, #24 VT 30
2020 WF 23, #19 VT 16

You're right - Tech, big deal....

Don't know where to go from this discussion.

(12-03-2020 10:11 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 10:06 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 09:17 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I told my friends from ODU when they beat Tech at home - "yeah, be we beat Sam Houston at home".

FBS teams boasting about upsets against VT like it doesn't happen every single year like clockwork with the Chokies, hilarious.

2010 JMU 21, #13 VT 16
2011 #21 Clemson 38, #5 VT 10
2012 Pitt 35, #13 VT 17
2013 Duke 13, #16 VT 10
2014 ECU 28, #17 VT 21
2015 ECU 35, [receiving votes] VT 28
2016 Syracuse 31, #17 VT 17
2017 GT 28, #17 VT 22
2018 ODU 49, #13 VT 35
2019 Virginia 39, #24 VT 30
2020 WF 23, #19 VT 16

“Upsets” by teams like Clemson, Pitt, Syracuse, GT, WF, UVA

Clearly our wins over Sam Houston, Elon and Weber St are far more glorious

Let's be honest folks, the time is coming where the P5 will split in some fashion and the G5 will be left behind. In my mind that will make FCS even more unappealing as it will most likely result in an actual Div. 1 G5 playoff. I have no doubt that this is coming and will be a reality in the next 5 years. The best case scenario is that the P5 won't completely shut the G5 out and will still schedule games against G5 schools and the occasional FCS school, but there is talk that conferences would play more conference games and that would lower the amount of non P5 conference games.

And god forbid Cincy somehow cracks the Top 4 this year as that will only speed up the above process.

(12-03-2020 10:47 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Let's be honest folks, the time is coming where the P5 will split in some fashion and the G5 will be left behind. In my mind that will make FCS even more unappealing as it will most likely result in an actual Div. 1 G5 playoff. I have no doubt that this is coming and will be a reality in the next 5 years. The best case scenario is that the P5 won't completely shut the G5 out and will still schedule games against G5 schools and the occasional FCS school, but there is talk that conferences would play more conference games and that would lower the amount of non P5 conference games.

And god forbid Cincy somehow cracks the Top 4 this year as that will only speed up the above process.

it's already split. they will just formalize it.

the fact that Coastal can potentially go undefeated and be ranked in the top 15 and end up playing Buffalo in a bowl game is all the evidence you need.

and on the lower amount of non P5 conference games, i think they will still happen. But what will get eliminated is the HOME game for the G5 against a P5.
if conferences are playing 10 games against each other now, 5 home and 5 away, only 2 OOC left. There won't be room for them to travel to a G5. They will want home games or one of the neutral site kickoff type games.

i believe when that split happens, it'll be good news for us. Because we will be a part of that new G5. the split will force a massive realignment of G5 conferences and we will be a part of it.

(12-03-2020 10:57 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 10:47 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Let's be honest folks, the time is coming where the P5 will split in some fashion and the G5 will be left behind. In my mind that will make FCS even more unappealing as it will most likely result in an actual Div. 1 G5 playoff. I have no doubt that this is coming and will be a reality in the next 5 years. The best case scenario is that the P5 won't completely shut the G5 out and will still schedule games against G5 schools and the occasional FCS school, but there is talk that conferences would play more conference games and that would lower the amount of non P5 conference games.

And god forbid Cincy somehow cracks the Top 4 this year as that will only speed up the above process.

it's already split. they will just formalize it.

the fact that Coastal can potentially go undefeated and be ranked in the top 15 and end up playing Buffalo in a bowl game is all the evidence you need.

but i believe when that happens, it'll be good news for us. Because we will be a part of that new G5. the split will force a massive realignment of G5 conferences and we will be a part of it.

Agree that it will probably end up being good for us in the long run. I wanted to make the point that arguing about the current format is useless as IMO it is not long for this world. Personally, I think the G5 should come to this reality on their own and work to get the best set up for themselves before the P5 just drops them and they have to scramble. I think a real playoff could be compelling and unlike the FCS would have some ability to negotiate for TV rights and money for schools. Certainly not going ot be the billions hte CFP generates but I think it can be a decent sum.