(12-02-2020 10:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:No Special Forces soldiers were killed while seizing computer servers in Germany as part of a CIA operation after the presidential election. There was, in fact, no mission of the sort.

And members of the 305th Military Intelligence Battalion are not "the Kraken" that an attorney for President Donald Trump said last month she'd be unleashing. The unit is not involved in any post-election missions supporting the White House -- a move that would be highly unlikely considering it's an entry-level training battalion where new soldiers who haven't yet picked up their military occupational specialty are assigned.

"The allegations are false," an Army official told Military.com.

Army Hits Back Against False Claim that Soldiers Died in CIA Op to Nab Election Servers

I don't put much stock in what is in that article you cited. It is a military version of the biased leftwing media. During the Obama years, he purged many in the top leadership to try to create a force loyal to him. So it is no surprise that 'their' media reflects the same bias.

Why do I say the article is biased? Here's a little clue that sounds suspiciously like what you read in the MSM. This is the mindset that was used to frame this 'news' with, not surprisingly, un-named sources.

Quote:Retired Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney made the claims last weekend on a show hosted by Brannon Howse on the far-right WVW Broadcast Network, which streamed the discussion on YouTube. The claims quickly spread on social media, with users tying the retired general's comments to unsubstantiated allegations of fraud during November's presidential election.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020...-unit.hmtl

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  In yesterdays Arizona hearing, Information Warfare Specialist Colonel Phil Waldron, testified that they monitored Dominion sending data to Scytl servers in Frankfurt on November 3rd :

Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

So, you're now a cyber security expert, too? The man runs a high level security firm. You really believe that somebody who retired from the military (especially in his field) doesn't still have multiple high level contacts in the military? Really?

I believe that I'd rather listen to and believe General Flynn.

(12-02-2020 06:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:57 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  In yesterdays Arizona hearing, Information Warfare Specialist Colonel Phil Waldron, testified that they monitored Dominion sending data to Scytl servers in Frankfurt on November 3rd :

Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

Phil Waldron, a cybersecurity expert and retired Army Colonel, dealing with intelligence and information warfare for some 30 years.

So he's retired and you think he's out of the Game?

I have a question for you. Do you know what makes a computer work. You know it's programmed to do what you want it to do. And if you look at the Code, you can tell what's going on.

So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? You think the source code of a website (he was looking at dominionvoting.com) contains information about the clients connected to it.

Go ahead and explain yourself if you know so much about it. What code did he look at, and how could he tell it was connecting fo Frankfurt?

Hey Elvis, I have to be somewhere tonight so I will have to explain this tomorrow. I'm not the expert on computer programming but my wife is. My wife had almost 30 years in computer programming for Banking Software for most of your big Banks.

Good evening and Go Tigers

(12-02-2020 07:30 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  In yesterdays Arizona hearing, Information Warfare Specialist Colonel Phil Waldron, testified that they monitored Dominion sending data to Scytl servers in Frankfurt on November 3rd :

Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

So, you're now a cyber security expert, too? The man runs a high level security firm. You really believe that somebody who retired from the military (especially in his field) doesn't still have multiple high level contacts in the military? Really?

I believe that I'd rather listen to and believe General Flynn.

Does he. What high level security firm is that?

(12-02-2020 07:30 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  In yesterdays Arizona hearing, Information Warfare Specialist Colonel Phil Waldron, testified that they monitored Dominion sending data to Scytl servers in Frankfurt on November 3rd :

Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

So, you're now a cyber security expert, too? The man runs a high level security firm. You really believe that somebody who retired from the military (especially in his field) doesn't still have multiple high level contacts in the military? Really?

I believe that I'd rather listen to and believe General Flynn.

I'm not a cyber security expert, but I know more about IP networking than 98% of the world.

During the PA hearing Waldron was a "Statistical Expert" and presented the incorrect information that PA only sent out 1.8M mail in ballots and received back 2.5M. This was absolutely incorrect, and our expert seemed to have confused the 1.8M ballots sent out in the Primary with the General Election.

Now in AZ suddenly this guy is a computer security expert.

What's this guys actual experience?


Based on the timeline here he spent 10 years in the army, transitioned to the reserves, and spent 22 years as a pharma sales rep selling for pfizer back to the army. Then he retired and started a brewery / shooting range / firearms school where he is the chief instructor.

Lot going on for a guy to also become an expert in statistics and cyber security.

So what does he actually say in Arizona?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiFBPjnesZU

1. He shows a graph from a tool called spiderfoot that was run on Nov. 3rd against dominionvoting.com and proves that dominionvoting was connected to the internet on Nov 3rd.

Of course dominionvoting.com was connected to the internet on November 3rd, it's their damn public facing website. It's always connected to the internet, that's the job of a webserver. If I got to whitehouse.gov (not .com, thats important) there is always a website up for whitehouse.gov, that doesn't mean I can connect to Trumps PC. dominionvoting.com is supposed to be connected to the internet, but just like trumps PC that doesn't mean I can connect to a voting machine. The voting machines probably aren't even connected to the dominionvoting.com network, they are owned by and plugged into networks owned by the states / counties.

So whats in that graph? It's a map of all the endpoints that the spiderfoot tool (running on his laptop) connected to when it loaded the webpage dominionvoting.com and crawled the subdomains referenced on the root page. Only traffic from this guys laptop, not traffic from other clients to dominionvoting.com. Why so many? Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) cache frequently accessed objects on websites closer to the clients, these CDNs are spread globally. As spiderfoot crawled the website repeatedly it hit different CDN nodes. dominionvoting.com uses cloudflare for CDN.

The author of the spiderfoot tool wrote a blog about his tool being used to mislead people into believing something fraudulent was going on.
https://medium.com/@micallst/misusing-os...b89c858c3a

2. What does he say about Frankfurt. "We did observe packet traffic going from the US, now we don't know if it was specifically dominion traffic going, but to a server in Frankfurt." He is very careful not to lie here. They could have gone to the frankfurt airport website and made that a true statement. He doesn't know if it was dominion traffic, but i'm sure some traffic went from the US to Frankfurt.

Is there any way he could have visibility to traffic between dominionvoting.com and germany. Hell no. He would have to access the ISP that services traffic to dominionvoting.com and mirror or tcpdump packets off for analysis. The NSA has to build a massive amount of infrastructure and secret rooms in the backbone provider networks to accomplish that type of traffic visibility. It's outside the realm of possibility for this guy, and he would have commit a felony.

What if he accessed the dominionvoting.com server logs and checked for IPs from frankfurt? Does this guy look like he is going to confess to a felony on video? He didn't do that.

This is your smoking gun, the hill you want to die on? A wishy washy half assed misleading analysis of running a scan of dominions public website by a retired pharma sales rep? You guys complain about the misleading mainstream media, but the far right media took "now we don't know if it was specifically dominion traffic" and turned it into this :


I hate liars, and this guy smells real fishy. He's well spoken due to his sales experience and experience as an army officer, and seems to be the perfect "expert" for Rudy to throw out for the argument of the day. He stops just short of outright lying, but he is absolutely out to deceive people with his analysis of dominionvoting.com.

(12-02-2020 11:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 07:30 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  In yesterdays Arizona hearing, Information Warfare Specialist Colonel Phil Waldron, testified that they monitored Dominion sending data to Scytl servers in Frankfurt on November 3rd :

Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

So, you're now a cyber security expert, too? The man runs a high level security firm. You really believe that somebody who retired from the military (especially in his field) doesn't still have multiple high level contacts in the military? Really?

I believe that I'd rather listen to and believe General Flynn.

I'm not a cyber security expert, but I know more about IP networking than 98% of the world.

During the PA hearing Waldron was a "Statistical Expert" and presented the incorrect information that PA only sent out 1.8M mail in ballots and received back 2.5M. This was absolutely incorrect, and our expert seemed to have confused the 1.8M ballots sent out in the Primary with the General Election.

Now in AZ suddenly this guy is a computer security expert.

What's this guys actual experience?


Based on the timeline here he spent 10 years in the army, transitioned to the reserves, and spent 22 years as a pharma sales rep selling for pfizer back to the army. Then he retired and started a brewery / shooting range / firearms school where he is the chief instructor.

Lot going on for a guy to also become an expert in statistics and cyber security.

So what does he actually say in Arizona?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiFBPjnesZU

1. He shows a graph from a tool called spiderfoot that was run on Nov. 3rd against dominionvoting.com and proves that dominionvoting was connected to the internet on Nov 3rd.

Of course dominionvoting.com was connected to the internet on November 3rd, it's their damn public facing website. It's always connected to the internet, that's the job of a webserver. If I got to whitehouse.gov (not .com, thats important) there is always a website up for whitehouse.gov, that doesn't mean I can connect to Trumps PC. dominionvoting.com is supposed to be connected to the internet, but just like trumps PC that doesn't mean I can connect to a voting machine. The voting machines probably aren't even connected to the dominionvoting.com network, they are owned by and plugged into networks owned by the states / counties.

So whats in that graph? It's a map of all the endpoints that the spiderfoot tool (running on his laptop) connected to when it loaded the webpage dominionvoting.com and crawled the subdomains referenced on the root page. Only traffic from this guys laptop, not traffic from other clients to dominionvoting.com. Why so many? Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) cache frequently accessed objects on websites closer to the clients, these CDNs are spread globally. As spiderfoot crawled the website repeatedly it hit different CDN nodes. dominionvoting.com uses cloudflare for CDN.

The author of the spiderfoot tool wrote a blog about his tool being used to mislead people into believing something fraudulent was going on.
https://medium.com/@micallst/misusing-os...b89c858c3a

2. What does he say about Frankfurt. "We did observe packet traffic going from the US, now we don't know if it was specifically dominion traffic going, but to a server in Frankfurt." He is very careful not to lie here. They could have gone to the frankfurt airport website and made that a true statement. He doesn't know if it was dominion traffic, but i'm sure some traffic went from the US to Frankfurt.

Is there any way he could have visibility to traffic between dominionvoting.com and germany. Hell no. He would have to access the ISP that services traffic to dominionvoting.com and mirror or tcpdump packets off for analysis. The NSA has to build a massive amount of infrastructure and secret rooms in the backbone provider networks to accomplish that type of traffic visibility. It's outside the realm of possibility for this guy, and he would have commit a felony.

What if he accessed the dominionvoting.com server logs and checked for IPs from frankfurt? Does this guy look like he is going to confess to a felony on video? He didn't do that.

This is your smoking gun, the hill you want to die on? A wishy washy half assed misleading analysis of running a scan of dominions public website by a retired pharma sales rep? You guys complain about the misleading mainstream media, but the far right media took "now we don't know if it was specifically dominion traffic" and turned it into this :


I hate liars, and this guy smells real fishy. He's well spoken due to his sales experience and experience as an army officer, and seems to be the perfect "expert" for Rudy to throw out for the argument of the day. He stops just short of outright lying, but he is absolutely out to deceive people with his analysis of dominionvoting.com.

You hate liars? Well that’s good to know.
“Nobody has said my son did anything wrong!” Joe Biden.

(12-02-2020 06:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:57 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  In yesterdays Arizona hearing, Information Warfare Specialist Colonel Phil Waldron, testified that they monitored Dominion sending data to Scytl servers in Frankfurt on November 3rd :

Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

Phil Waldron, a cybersecurity expert and retired Army Colonel, dealing with intelligence and information warfare for some 30 years.

So he's retired and you think he's out of the Game?

I have a question for you. Do you know what makes a computer work. You know it's programmed to do what you want it to do. And if you look at the Code, you can tell what's going on.

So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? You think the source code of a website (he was looking at dominionvoting.com) contains information about the clients connected to it.

Go ahead and explain yourself if you know so much about it. What code did he look at, and how could he tell it was connecting fo Frankfurt?

Ok, To your first question, "So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? I never said he looked at some Code.

As far as Frankfurt wouldn't they use IP addresses to trace that?

(12-03-2020 04:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 06:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:57 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  In yesterdays Arizona hearing, Information Warfare Specialist Colonel Phil Waldron, testified that they monitored Dominion sending data to Scytl servers in Frankfurt on November 3rd :

Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

Phil Waldron, a cybersecurity expert and retired Army Colonel, dealing with intelligence and information warfare for some 30 years.

So he's retired and you think he's out of the Game?

I have a question for you. Do you know what makes a computer work. You know it's programmed to do what you want it to do. And if you look at the Code, you can tell what's going on.

So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? You think the source code of a website (he was looking at dominionvoting.com) contains information about the clients connected to it.

Go ahead and explain yourself if you know so much about it. What code did he look at, and how could he tell it was connecting fo Frankfurt?

Ok, To your first question, "So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? I never said he looked at some Code.

As far as Frankfurt wouldn't they use IP addresses to trace that?

You can trace a location by IP, but you have to have a "man in the middle" to know the source, content, and destination of a packet.

(12-03-2020 04:55 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 04:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 06:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:57 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

Phil Waldron, a cybersecurity expert and retired Army Colonel, dealing with intelligence and information warfare for some 30 years.

So he's retired and you think he's out of the Game?

I have a question for you. Do you know what makes a computer work. You know it's programmed to do what you want it to do. And if you look at the Code, you can tell what's going on.

So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? You think the source code of a website (he was looking at dominionvoting.com) contains information about the clients connected to it.

Go ahead and explain yourself if you know so much about it. What code did he look at, and how could he tell it was connecting fo Frankfurt?

Ok, To your first question, "So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? I never said he looked at some Code.

As far as Frankfurt wouldn't they use IP addresses to trace that?

You can trace a location by IP, but you have to have a "man in the middle" to know the source, content, and destination of a packet.

Exactly, that's the hard part and what the NSA spends real money on. In order to see that visibility they would have to illegally access Dominions ISP, or some of Dominions network infrastructure. Felonies.

A L2 man in the middle attack generally doesn't work on service provider and cloud networks, it requires L2 adjacency.

What they showed on the screen was quite simply a scan of the dominion website.

(12-03-2020 04:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 06:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:57 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  In yesterdays Arizona hearing, Information Warfare Specialist Colonel Phil Waldron, testified that they monitored Dominion sending data to Scytl servers in Frankfurt on November 3rd :

Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

Phil Waldron, a cybersecurity expert and retired Army Colonel, dealing with intelligence and information warfare for some 30 years.

So he's retired and you think he's out of the Game?

I have a question for you. Do you know what makes a computer work. You know it's programmed to do what you want it to do. And if you look at the Code, you can tell what's going on.

So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? You think the source code of a website (he was looking at dominionvoting.com) contains information about the clients connected to it.

Go ahead and explain yourself if you know so much about it. What code did he look at, and how could he tell it was connecting fo Frankfurt?

Ok, To your first question, "So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? I never said he looked at some Code.

As far as Frankfurt wouldn't they use IP addresses to trace that?

If we set aside the fact that he was looking at the dominionvoting website, which is completely different than the networks voting machines would be on, how would this guy know what IPS dominion voting is connecting to?

We are both on GTSs website. You don't know my IP and I don't know yours. Thousands of people are accessing this and have no way to know what other traffic we have going on. GTSs servers could be backing up to Frankfurt, no way to know they don't.

There are two types of people who can see the IPs of traffic hitting a website. Privileged administrators with access to web servers and Firewalls (here Georgia Tech Swagger and his admin team), and the upstream network providers can see it because they are in the path.

Waldron is neither, and would have committed a felony to access either source of that data. Given the fact that he said "we have no way of knowing it was dominion traffic" this entire Frankfurt line of discussions is complete BS.

Everything Waldron has said has been BS or smoke and mirrors.

Spider foot and internet connected dominion - smoke and mirrors
Frankfurt - BS
1.8M mail in ballots - BS
35k votes for Biden per district - BS (even Rudy says that they don't know if it is true and they just got an email)

Waldron was a sales rep, and he is trying to sell the fraud stories.

(12-03-2020 05:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 04:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 06:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:57 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

Phil Waldron, a cybersecurity expert and retired Army Colonel, dealing with intelligence and information warfare for some 30 years.

So he's retired and you think he's out of the Game?

I have a question for you. Do you know what makes a computer work. You know it's programmed to do what you want it to do. And if you look at the Code, you can tell what's going on.

So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? You think the source code of a website (he was looking at dominionvoting.com) contains information about the clients connected to it.

Go ahead and explain yourself if you know so much about it. What code did he look at, and how could he tell it was connecting fo Frankfurt?

Ok, To your first question, "So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? I never said he looked at some Code.

As far as Frankfurt wouldn't they use IP addresses to trace that?

If we set aside the fact that he was looking at the dominionvoting website, which is completely different than the networks voting machines would be on, how would this guy know what IPS dominion voting is connecting to?

We are both on GTSs website. You don't know my IP and I don't know yours. Thousands of people are accessing this and have no way to know what other traffic we have going on. GTSs servers could be backing up to Frankfurt, no way to know they don't.

There are two types of people who can see the IPs of traffic hitting a website. Privileged administrators with access to web servers and Firewalls (here Georgia Tech Swagger and his admin team), and the upstream network providers can see it because they are in the path.

Waldron is neither, and would have committed a felony to access either source of that data. Given the fact that he said "we have no way of knowing it was dominion traffic" this entire Frankfurt line of discussions is complete BS.

Everything Waldron has said has been BS or smoke and mirrors.

Spider foot and internet connected dominion - smoke and mirrors
Frankfurt - BS
1.8M mail in ballots - BS
35k votes for Biden per district - BS (even Rudy says that they don't know if it is true and they just got an email)

Waldron was a sales rep, and he is trying to sell the fraud stories.

1.8M mail in ballots - BS
35k votes for Biden per district - BS

Are you saying there was no Election Fraud in the 2020 Election?

(12-03-2020 07:18 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 05:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 04:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 06:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:57 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Phil Waldron, a cybersecurity expert and retired Army Colonel, dealing with intelligence and information warfare for some 30 years.

So he's retired and you think he's out of the Game?

I have a question for you. Do you know what makes a computer work. You know it's programmed to do what you want it to do. And if you look at the Code, you can tell what's going on.

So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? You think the source code of a website (he was looking at dominionvoting.com) contains information about the clients connected to it.

Go ahead and explain yourself if you know so much about it. What code did he look at, and how could he tell it was connecting fo Frankfurt?

Ok, To your first question, "So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? I never said he looked at some Code.

As far as Frankfurt wouldn't they use IP addresses to trace that?

If we set aside the fact that he was looking at the dominionvoting website, which is completely different than the networks voting machines would be on, how would this guy know what IPS dominion voting is connecting to?

We are both on GTSs website. You don't know my IP and I don't know yours. Thousands of people are accessing this and have no way to know what other traffic we have going on. GTSs servers could be backing up to Frankfurt, no way to know they don't.

There are two types of people who can see the IPs of traffic hitting a website. Privileged administrators with access to web servers and Firewalls (here Georgia Tech Swagger and his admin team), and the upstream network providers can see it because they are in the path.

Waldron is neither, and would have committed a felony to access either source of that data. Given the fact that he said "we have no way of knowing it was dominion traffic" this entire Frankfurt line of discussions is complete BS.

Everything Waldron has said has been BS or smoke and mirrors.

Spider foot and internet connected dominion - smoke and mirrors
Frankfurt - BS
1.8M mail in ballots - BS
35k votes for Biden per district - BS (even Rudy says that they don't know if it is true and they just got an email)

Waldron was a sales rep, and he is trying to sell the fraud stories.

1.8M mail in ballots - BS
35k votes for Biden per district - BS

Are you saying there was no Election Fraud in the 2020 Election?

I'm saying that Waldron hasn't presented any, everything I've heard out of his mouth is BS or smoke and mirrors.

(12-03-2020 08:36 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 07:18 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 05:54 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 04:17 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 06:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? You think the source code of a website (he was looking at dominionvoting.com) contains information about the clients connected to it.

Go ahead and explain yourself if you know so much about it. What code did he look at, and how could he tell it was connecting fo Frankfurt?

Ok, To your first question, "So you think he looked at the code to know what’s going on? I never said he looked at some Code.

As far as Frankfurt wouldn't they use IP addresses to trace that?

If we set aside the fact that he was looking at the dominionvoting website, which is completely different than the networks voting machines would be on, how would this guy know what IPS dominion voting is connecting to?

We are both on GTSs website. You don't know my IP and I don't know yours. Thousands of people are accessing this and have no way to know what other traffic we have going on. GTSs servers could be backing up to Frankfurt, no way to know they don't.

There are two types of people who can see the IPs of traffic hitting a website. Privileged administrators with access to web servers and Firewalls (here Georgia Tech Swagger and his admin team), and the upstream network providers can see it because they are in the path.

Waldron is neither, and would have committed a felony to access either source of that data. Given the fact that he said "we have no way of knowing it was dominion traffic" this entire Frankfurt line of discussions is complete BS.

Everything Waldron has said has been BS or smoke and mirrors.

Spider foot and internet connected dominion - smoke and mirrors
Frankfurt - BS
1.8M mail in ballots - BS
35k votes for Biden per district - BS (even Rudy says that they don't know if it is true and they just got an email)

Waldron was a sales rep, and he is trying to sell the fraud stories.

1.8M mail in ballots - BS
35k votes for Biden per district - BS

Are you saying there was no Election Fraud in the 2020 Election?

I'm saying that Waldron hasn't presented any, everything I've heard out of his mouth is BS or smoke and mirrors.

You should know that Waldron was just the Messenger.

(12-03-2020 02:13 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 11:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 07:30 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  In yesterdays Arizona hearing, Information Warfare Specialist Colonel Phil Waldron, testified that they monitored Dominion sending data to Scytl servers in Frankfurt on November 3rd :

Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

So, you're now a cyber security expert, too? The man runs a high level security firm. You really believe that somebody who retired from the military (especially in his field) doesn't still have multiple high level contacts in the military? Really?

I believe that I'd rather listen to and believe General Flynn.

I'm not a cyber security expert, but I know more about IP networking than 98% of the world.

During the PA hearing Waldron was a "Statistical Expert" and presented the incorrect information that PA only sent out 1.8M mail in ballots and received back 2.5M. This was absolutely incorrect, and our expert seemed to have confused the 1.8M ballots sent out in the Primary with the General Election.

Now in AZ suddenly this guy is a computer security expert.

What's this guys actual experience?


Based on the timeline here he spent 10 years in the army, transitioned to the reserves, and spent 22 years as a pharma sales rep selling for pfizer back to the army. Then he retired and started a brewery / shooting range / firearms school where he is the chief instructor.

Lot going on for a guy to also become an expert in statistics and cyber security.

So what does he actually say in Arizona?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiFBPjnesZU

1. He shows a graph from a tool called spiderfoot that was run on Nov. 3rd against dominionvoting.com and proves that dominionvoting was connected to the internet on Nov 3rd.

Of course dominionvoting.com was connected to the internet on November 3rd, it's their damn public facing website. It's always connected to the internet, that's the job of a webserver. If I got to whitehouse.gov (not .com, thats important) there is always a website up for whitehouse.gov, that doesn't mean I can connect to Trumps PC. dominionvoting.com is supposed to be connected to the internet, but just like trumps PC that doesn't mean I can connect to a voting machine. The voting machines probably aren't even connected to the dominionvoting.com network, they are owned by and plugged into networks owned by the states / counties.

So whats in that graph? It's a map of all the endpoints that the spiderfoot tool (running on his laptop) connected to when it loaded the webpage dominionvoting.com and crawled the subdomains referenced on the root page. Only traffic from this guys laptop, not traffic from other clients to dominionvoting.com. Why so many? Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) cache frequently accessed objects on websites closer to the clients, these CDNs are spread globally. As spiderfoot crawled the website repeatedly it hit different CDN nodes. dominionvoting.com uses cloudflare for CDN.

The author of the spiderfoot tool wrote a blog about his tool being used to mislead people into believing something fraudulent was going on.
https://medium.com/@micallst/misusing-os...b89c858c3a

2. What does he say about Frankfurt. "We did observe packet traffic going from the US, now we don't know if it was specifically dominion traffic going, but to a server in Frankfurt." He is very careful not to lie here. They could have gone to the frankfurt airport website and made that a true statement. He doesn't know if it was dominion traffic, but i'm sure some traffic went from the US to Frankfurt.

Is there any way he could have visibility to traffic between dominionvoting.com and germany. Hell no. He would have to access the ISP that services traffic to dominionvoting.com and mirror or tcpdump packets off for analysis. The NSA has to build a massive amount of infrastructure and secret rooms in the backbone provider networks to accomplish that type of traffic visibility. It's outside the realm of possibility for this guy, and he would have commit a felony.

What if he accessed the dominionvoting.com server logs and checked for IPs from frankfurt? Does this guy look like he is going to confess to a felony on video? He didn't do that.

This is your smoking gun, the hill you want to die on? A wishy washy half assed misleading analysis of running a scan of dominions public website by a retired pharma sales rep? You guys complain about the misleading mainstream media, but the far right media took "now we don't know if it was specifically dominion traffic" and turned it into this :


I hate liars, and this guy smells real fishy. He's well spoken due to his sales experience and experience as an army officer, and seems to be the perfect "expert" for Rudy to throw out for the argument of the day. He stops just short of outright lying, but he is absolutely out to deceive people with his analysis of dominionvoting.com.

You hate liars? Well that’s good to know.
“Nobody has said my son did anything wrong!” Joe Biden.

ok, so I finally listened to this. Your assumptions about what he is saying are dead wrong. Someone who knows "IP" better than 98% of america should know what he was saying and what he was reporting on.

(12-04-2020 04:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 02:13 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 11:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 07:30 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 04:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure he did.

What method does a retired private citizen have to observe traffic on the internet?

The NSA had to create secret rooms at internet backbone providers to observe source and destination traffic, but this retired private citizen can do it from his house. He should sell his method to someone like the NSA.

So, you're now a cyber security expert, too? The man runs a high level security firm. You really believe that somebody who retired from the military (especially in his field) doesn't still have multiple high level contacts in the military? Really?

I believe that I'd rather listen to and believe General Flynn.

I'm not a cyber security expert, but I know more about IP networking than 98% of the world.

During the PA hearing Waldron was a "Statistical Expert" and presented the incorrect information that PA only sent out 1.8M mail in ballots and received back 2.5M. This was absolutely incorrect, and our expert seemed to have confused the 1.8M ballots sent out in the Primary with the General Election.

Now in AZ suddenly this guy is a computer security expert.

What's this guys actual experience?


Based on the timeline here he spent 10 years in the army, transitioned to the reserves, and spent 22 years as a pharma sales rep selling for pfizer back to the army. Then he retired and started a brewery / shooting range / firearms school where he is the chief instructor.

Lot going on for a guy to also become an expert in statistics and cyber security.

So what does he actually say in Arizona?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiFBPjnesZU

1. He shows a graph from a tool called spiderfoot that was run on Nov. 3rd against dominionvoting.com and proves that dominionvoting was connected to the internet on Nov 3rd.

Of course dominionvoting.com was connected to the internet on November 3rd, it's their damn public facing website. It's always connected to the internet, that's the job of a webserver. If I got to whitehouse.gov (not .com, thats important) there is always a website up for whitehouse.gov, that doesn't mean I can connect to Trumps PC. dominionvoting.com is supposed to be connected to the internet, but just like trumps PC that doesn't mean I can connect to a voting machine. The voting machines probably aren't even connected to the dominionvoting.com network, they are owned by and plugged into networks owned by the states / counties.

So whats in that graph? It's a map of all the endpoints that the spiderfoot tool (running on his laptop) connected to when it loaded the webpage dominionvoting.com and crawled the subdomains referenced on the root page. Only traffic from this guys laptop, not traffic from other clients to dominionvoting.com. Why so many? Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) cache frequently accessed objects on websites closer to the clients, these CDNs are spread globally. As spiderfoot crawled the website repeatedly it hit different CDN nodes. dominionvoting.com uses cloudflare for CDN.

The author of the spiderfoot tool wrote a blog about his tool being used to mislead people into believing something fraudulent was going on.
https://medium.com/@micallst/misusing-os...b89c858c3a

2. What does he say about Frankfurt. "We did observe packet traffic going from the US, now we don't know if it was specifically dominion traffic going, but to a server in Frankfurt." He is very careful not to lie here. They could have gone to the frankfurt airport website and made that a true statement. He doesn't know if it was dominion traffic, but i'm sure some traffic went from the US to Frankfurt.

Is there any way he could have visibility to traffic between dominionvoting.com and germany. Hell no. He would have to access the ISP that services traffic to dominionvoting.com and mirror or tcpdump packets off for analysis. The NSA has to build a massive amount of infrastructure and secret rooms in the backbone provider networks to accomplish that type of traffic visibility. It's outside the realm of possibility for this guy, and he would have commit a felony.

What if he accessed the dominionvoting.com server logs and checked for IPs from frankfurt? Does this guy look like he is going to confess to a felony on video? He didn't do that.

This is your smoking gun, the hill you want to die on? A wishy washy half assed misleading analysis of running a scan of dominions public website by a retired pharma sales rep? You guys complain about the misleading mainstream media, but the far right media took "now we don't know if it was specifically dominion traffic" and turned it into this :


I hate liars, and this guy smells real fishy. He's well spoken due to his sales experience and experience as an army officer, and seems to be the perfect "expert" for Rudy to throw out for the argument of the day. He stops just short of outright lying, but he is absolutely out to deceive people with his analysis of dominionvoting.com.

You hate liars? Well that’s good to know.
“Nobody has said my son did anything wrong!” Joe Biden.

ok, so I finally listened to this. Your assumptions about what he is saying are dead wrong. Someone who knows "IP" better than 98% of america should know what he was saying and what he was reporting on.

Dude, just shut up. Home dude is blowing a smoke screen and you don’t know what you are talking about. Hell, it took you two days to read this post.

Don’t just tell me I’m wrong, try and explain why I’m wrong and show off your hacker skills you think you have. If all you have to contribute is “um, your wrong” I’m going to keep assuming that you are just plain stupid.

Is this true?

Like NSA, Kraken can reproduce every bit of
internet traffic on election night.

Is anyone worried?

305th Military Intelligence Battalion is “Kraken”

General Flynn has connections there, I wonder why.

Is this evidence being saved and kept secret until a SCOTUS hearing? You won’t see the real fireworks until this is unleashed.

(12-04-2020 04:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 04:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 02:13 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 11:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 07:30 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  So, you're now a cyber security expert, too? The man runs a high level security firm. You really believe that somebody who retired from the military (especially in his field) doesn't still have multiple high level contacts in the military? Really?

I believe that I'd rather listen to and believe General Flynn.

I'm not a cyber security expert, but I know more about IP networking than 98% of the world.

During the PA hearing Waldron was a "Statistical Expert" and presented the incorrect information that PA only sent out 1.8M mail in ballots and received back 2.5M. This was absolutely incorrect, and our expert seemed to have confused the 1.8M ballots sent out in the Primary with the General Election.

Now in AZ suddenly this guy is a computer security expert.

What's this guys actual experience?


Based on the timeline here he spent 10 years in the army, transitioned to the reserves, and spent 22 years as a pharma sales rep selling for pfizer back to the army. Then he retired and started a brewery / shooting range / firearms school where he is the chief instructor.

Lot going on for a guy to also become an expert in statistics and cyber security.

So what does he actually say in Arizona?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiFBPjnesZU

1. He shows a graph from a tool called spiderfoot that was run on Nov. 3rd against dominionvoting.com and proves that dominionvoting was connected to the internet on Nov 3rd.

Of course dominionvoting.com was connected to the internet on November 3rd, it's their damn public facing website. It's always connected to the internet, that's the job of a webserver. If I got to whitehouse.gov (not .com, thats important) there is always a website up for whitehouse.gov, that doesn't mean I can connect to Trumps PC. dominionvoting.com is supposed to be connected to the internet, but just like trumps PC that doesn't mean I can connect to a voting machine. The voting machines probably aren't even connected to the dominionvoting.com network, they are owned by and plugged into networks owned by the states / counties.

So whats in that graph? It's a map of all the endpoints that the spiderfoot tool (running on his laptop) connected to when it loaded the webpage dominionvoting.com and crawled the subdomains referenced on the root page. Only traffic from this guys laptop, not traffic from other clients to dominionvoting.com. Why so many? Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) cache frequently accessed objects on websites closer to the clients, these CDNs are spread globally. As spiderfoot crawled the website repeatedly it hit different CDN nodes. dominionvoting.com uses cloudflare for CDN.

The author of the spiderfoot tool wrote a blog about his tool being used to mislead people into believing something fraudulent was going on.
https://medium.com/@micallst/misusing-os...b89c858c3a

2. What does he say about Frankfurt. "We did observe packet traffic going from the US, now we don't know if it was specifically dominion traffic going, but to a server in Frankfurt." He is very careful not to lie here. They could have gone to the frankfurt airport website and made that a true statement. He doesn't know if it was dominion traffic, but i'm sure some traffic went from the US to Frankfurt.

Is there any way he could have visibility to traffic between dominionvoting.com and germany. Hell no. He would have to access the ISP that services traffic to dominionvoting.com and mirror or tcpdump packets off for analysis. The NSA has to build a massive amount of infrastructure and secret rooms in the backbone provider networks to accomplish that type of traffic visibility. It's outside the realm of possibility for this guy, and he would have commit a felony.

What if he accessed the dominionvoting.com server logs and checked for IPs from frankfurt? Does this guy look like he is going to confess to a felony on video? He didn't do that.

This is your smoking gun, the hill you want to die on? A wishy washy half assed misleading analysis of running a scan of dominions public website by a retired pharma sales rep? You guys complain about the misleading mainstream media, but the far right media took "now we don't know if it was specifically dominion traffic" and turned it into this :


I hate liars, and this guy smells real fishy. He's well spoken due to his sales experience and experience as an army officer, and seems to be the perfect "expert" for Rudy to throw out for the argument of the day. He stops just short of outright lying, but he is absolutely out to deceive people with his analysis of dominionvoting.com.

You hate liars? Well that’s good to know.
“Nobody has said my son did anything wrong!” Joe Biden.

ok, so I finally listened to this. Your assumptions about what he is saying are dead wrong. Someone who knows "IP" better than 98% of america should know what he was saying and what he was reporting on.

Dude, just shut up. Home dude is blowing a smoke screen and you don’t know what you are talking about. Hell, it took you two days to read this post.

Don’t just tell me I’m wrong, try and explain why I’m wrong and show off your hacker skills you think you have. If all you have to contribute is “um, your wrong” I’m going to keep assuming that you are just plain stupid.

For one, you confused the website with the network.

Elvis thinks that the NSA are the only ones capable of seeing the traffic. I would be very surprised if the military does not have that capability. I'm reasonably sure of it.

You're right about the evidence coming out once these cases reach the Supremes.