(10-05-2020 09:32 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Watching Jake Tapper yesterday, he used words like "schmucks', liars", and 'reckless disregard".

These are the people the left refers to as unbiased journalists?

I used to think Tapper was one one of the less biased commentators. No more.

I have a few previously-sane friends who have gone out of their way lately to embrace left-wing invective and to demean anyone they disagree with. When I asked one of them why he has become so intentionally obnoxious, his justification was "This time is different". After telling him about the name-calling I've heard, the death wish, and the doctored picture of my father's grave, I acknowledged, "It certainly is".

(10-05-2020 09:59 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(10-05-2020 09:32 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Watching Jake Tapper yesterday, he used words like "schmucks', liars", and 'reckless disregard".

These are the people the left refers to as unbiased journalists?

I used to think Tapper was one one of the less biased commentators. No more.

I have a few previously-sane friends who have gone out of their way lately to embrace left-wing invective and to demean anyone they disagree with. When I asked one of them why he has become so intentionally obnoxious, his justification was "This time is different". After telling him about the name-calling I've heard, the death wish, and the doctored picture of my father's grave, I acknowledged, "It certainly is".

I haven't had much personal invective against me, other than the usual, but the stuff I hear about Trump sounds as if it was cut-and-pasted from CNN.

Trump trumps the virus!

Quote:I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!---Donald J. TRUMP

Dems be like:

(10-05-2020 03:04 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Trump trumps the virus!

Quote:I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!---Donald J. TRUMP

Dems be like:

Is your point that Democrats are sorry that Trump survived COVID? I don't think that is the case, in general.

For me... I don't wish an early death on anybody, even my "enemies". More to the point, I was worried that Trump would be unable to participate in further debates. His performance in the first one was a train wreck and I was looking forward to more of the same.

If he is truthful (which I doubt) that he feels better than he has in twenty years, I would guess that it is the temporary boost from the steroids.

I'm glad he's recovering. I'm sorry that he's using his personal recovery to downplay the seriousness of the virus.

(10-05-2020 03:36 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(10-05-2020 03:04 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Trump trumps the virus!

Quote:I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!---Donald J. TRUMP

Dems be like:

Is your point that Democrats are sorry that Trump survived COVID? I don't think that is the case, in general.

For me... I don't wish an early death on anybody, even my "enemies". More to the point, I was worried that Trump would be unable to participate in further debates. His performance in the first one was a train wreck and I was looking forward to more of the same.

If he is truthful (which I doubt) that he feels better than he has in twenty years, I would guess that it is the temporary boost from the steroids.

I'm glad he's recovering. I'm sorry that he's using his personal recovery to downplay the seriousness of the virus.

I always think of the
Donne poem that starts "no man is an island"

The applicable line is "any man's death diminishes me".

It does not say they all diminish me equally, or that any particular death diminishes everybody equally.

But I doubt not that there are many on the left who would like to see Trump die, just as there are many on the right who would not cry at an Adam Schiff or Chuck Schumer passing.

I just don't think any of those people post here.

I would love to feel better than I have in 20 years, but don't want to catch even a mild case of covid to achieve that.

My step-grandaughter [college student] has tested positive. Quarantining at home in the basement. I guess that means she is following Joe's example.

I hear from the MSM that Covid is overwhelming our hospitals and medical facilities.

Yet not too far from my home sits a brand new hospital, empty.

It was under construction when the pandemic hit. It has been finished now for about three months, and yet not one single car in the parking lot.

I wonder why.

(11-27-2020 09:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I hear from the MSM that Covid is overwhelming our hospitals and medical facilities.

Yet not too far from my home sits a brand new hospital, empty.

It was under construction when the pandemic hit. It has been finished now for about three months, and yet not one single car in the parking lot.

I wonder why.

Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

(11-27-2020 11:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 09:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I hear from the MSM that Covid is overwhelming our hospitals and medical facilities.

Yet not too far from my home sits a brand new hospital, empty.

It was under construction when the pandemic hit. It has been finished now for about three months, and yet not one single car in the parking lot.

I wonder why.

Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

I had somebody serious suggest that as a possibility. But it is in a highly populated urban county, not some backwater. It seems they could find enough to at least partially staff it.

I also considered that they could make it a special hospital for just COVID cases, thus keeping them out of the other hospitals in the county.

Every time I pass it, there are a half dozen cars in the staff parking, so I guess there is enough interest to have management with nothing to manage. Maybe the flu does not hit administrators.

(11-28-2020 12:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 09:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I hear from the MSM that Covid is overwhelming our hospitals and medical facilities.

Yet not too far from my home sits a brand new hospital, empty.

It was under construction when the pandemic hit. It has been finished now for about three months, and yet not one single car in the parking lot.

I wonder why.

Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

It seems they could find enough to at least partially staff it.

I'd be interested to hear you tell us where these qualified nurses who aren't already employed can be found.

Maybe they need to run an ad or something? Craigslist?

(11-28-2020 12:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 09:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I hear from the MSM that Covid is overwhelming our hospitals and medical facilities.

Yet not too far from my home sits a brand new hospital, empty.

It was under construction when the pandemic hit. It has been finished now for about three months, and yet not one single car in the parking lot.

I wonder why.

Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

It seems they could find enough to at least partially staff it.

I'd be interested to hear you tell us where these qualified nurses who aren't already employed can be found.

Maybe they need to run an ad or something? Craigslist?

I know where one is - my ex-wife. I'll gladly give you her number.


I'd be interested how you know that every single nurse in a county of over 1.8 milliion is already employed and working maximum overtime. Where were they when they started the construction?

Of course there could be shortages in doctors, janitorial staff, security guards, X-ray techs, kitchen staff, whatever. Why just nurses? Is this what CNN is telling you? Or there could be budget problems, or it could have a rodent problem. Could be poison water from fracking (It's next to an field of gas wells). I don't know why it is not open for business. That's why I asked. But the fact remains - there is an empty hospital standing unused.and we are complaining about crowded hospitals.

Note to the liberals: Next time you complain about the tone on here, remember this guy.

(11-28-2020 01:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 09:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I hear from the MSM that Covid is overwhelming our hospitals and medical facilities.

Yet not too far from my home sits a brand new hospital, empty.

It was under construction when the pandemic hit. It has been finished now for about three months, and yet not one single car in the parking lot.

I wonder why.

Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

It seems they could find enough to at least partially staff it.

I'd be interested to hear you tell us where these qualified nurses who aren't already employed can be found.

Maybe they need to run an ad or something? Craigslist?

I know where one is - my ex-wife. I'll gladly give you her number.


I'd be interested how you know that every single nurse in a county of over 1.8 milliion is already employed and working maximum overtime. Where were they when they started the construction?

Of course there could be shortages in doctors, janitorial staff, security guards, X-ray techs, kitchen staff, whatever. Why just nurses? Is this what CNN is telling you? Or there could be budget problems, or it could have a rodent problem. Could be poison water from fracking (It's next to an field of gas wells). I don't know why it is not open for business. That's why I asked. But the fact remains - there is an empty hospital standing unused.and we are complaining about crowded hospitals.

Note to the liberals: Next time you complain about the tone on here, remember this guy.

You are a caricature, dude. Anyone who shoots you down must be a "liberal" and watch CNN. Get real.

Why don't you stop by that empty medical center and ask them why they're empty?

(11-28-2020 04:00 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

It seems they could find enough to at least partially staff it.

I'd be interested to hear you tell us where these qualified nurses who aren't already employed can be found.

Maybe they need to run an ad or something? Craigslist?

I know where one is - my ex-wife. I'll gladly give you her number.


I'd be interested how you know that every single nurse in a county of over 1.8 milliion is already employed and working maximum overtime. Where were they when they started the construction?

Of course there could be shortages in doctors, janitorial staff, security guards, X-ray techs, kitchen staff, whatever. Why just nurses? Is this what CNN is telling you? Or there could be budget problems, or it could have a rodent problem. Could be poison water from fracking (It's next to an field of gas wells). I don't know why it is not open for business. That's why I asked. But the fact remains - there is an empty hospital standing unused.and we are complaining about crowded hospitals.

Note to the liberals: Next time you complain about the tone on here, remember this guy.

You are a caricature, dude. Anyone who shoots you down must be a "liberal" and watch CNN. Get real.

Why don't you stop by that empty medical center and ask them why they're empty?

You think you shot me down? Wow, what an ego.

Just an impression based on your posts. The arrogance contributes.

I don't stop by because (a) I am on my way to somewhere and (b) I expect the front doors are locked. Thought I could ask a question of the community of minds here and get a real answer, hopefully from a medical professional or medical administrator. BTW, what hospital do you practice at?

You don't care enough to stop and ask the people who might actually know.

Duly noted.

(11-28-2020 07:47 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  You don't care enough to stop and ask the people who might actually know.

Duly noted.

I am amazed you think I am just driving aimlessly when I pass that hospital. I am usually going from point A to point B and am expected at a given time. Maybe you are in the habit of showing up late to appointments because you stopped to ask about this or that. I am not.

Maybe also you are in the habit of sneaking in the back door to satisfy your curiosities. I am not, and I see no reason for the front doors to be open and a smiling receptionist there to answer my questions.

So, I mention the fact that we have a perfectly good, brand new facility sitting idle and empty at a time when we are in a pandemic and need the facilities. You take offense at this this, go immediately to snark, and I can only wonder why.

Why?

What’s the name of the hospital?

OO... do you really think that the hospital you have referenced has not opened because there are not enough patients for them to do any business?

I mean... that doesn't really make sense???

If the doors are closed (and construction inside is actually completed) I would assume that there is some sort of licensing issue.

The numbers of Texas hospital/ICU beds being taken up due to COVID have been increasing and seem to be hitting a critical level. Is your take that the MSM media has pushed forward this false negative and that hospitals are actually not busy at all?

I'm trying to understand your point with this one.

(11-28-2020 01:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 09:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I hear from the MSM that Covid is overwhelming our hospitals and medical facilities.

Yet not too far from my home sits a brand new hospital, empty.

It was under construction when the pandemic hit. It has been finished now for about three months, and yet not one single car in the parking lot.

I wonder why.

Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

It seems they could find enough to at least partially staff it.

I'd be interested to hear you tell us where these qualified nurses who aren't already employed can be found.

Maybe they need to run an ad or something? Craigslist?

I know where one is - my ex-wife. I'll gladly give you her number.


I'd be interested how you know that every single nurse in a county of over 1.8 milliion is already employed and working maximum overtime. Where were they when they started the construction?

Of course there could be shortages in doctors, janitorial staff, security guards, X-ray techs, kitchen staff, whatever. Why just nurses? Is this what CNN is telling you? Or there could be budget problems, or it could have a rodent problem. Could be poison water from fracking (It's next to an field of gas wells). I don't know why it is not open for business. That's why I asked. But the fact remains - there is an empty hospital standing unused.and we are complaining about crowded hospitals.

Note to the liberals: Next time you complain about the tone on here, remember this guy.

Ummm... these are the two posts that InterestedX made that apparently offended you so heavily?

Quote:Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

Quote:I'd be interested to hear you tell us where these qualified nurses who aren't already employed can be found.

Maybe they need to run an ad or something? Craigslist?

Really? That's what has you up in arms?
Perhaps you should go back and look at Tanq's last few responses to Lad and see how they compare those above.

(11-29-2020 07:27 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  OO... do you really think that the hospital you have referenced has not opened because there are not enough patients for them to do any business?

I mean... that doesn't really make sense???

If the doors are closed (and construction inside is actually completed) I would assume that there is some sort of licensing issue.

The numbers of Texas hospital/ICU beds being taken up due to COVID have been increasing and seem to be hitting a critical level. Is your take that the MSM media has pushed forward this false negative and that hospitals are actually not busy at all?

I'm trying to understand your point with this one.

Maybe X made the same mistake you did.

I didn’t say or imply there are not enough patients for them to do
business. Where did y’all come upwith that?

If there was enough need to to fund the building of the hospital in the first place, there certainly was not less need after Covid hit. I think you and X did not think this through if you thought I was saying there was not enough need.

My question was why, with the reported overwhelming of hospitals, one that was brand new was allowed to stand unused.

X, in his own smarmy way, suggested one possible reason - staffing issues.

I certainly understand there could be staffing issues, and if X had just offered that possible reason without the smarm, I would have just thanked him for his input.

Perhaps also, the administrators did not want to contaminate a pristine facility.

Perhaps there is also a shortage of support staff - cooks, launderers, security, office, intake.

I find it ludicrous that he urges me to stop at a closed facility and wander the halls until challenged. I don’t need an answer so much that I am willing to go to jail for it.

I hope this clears it up for you. Your puzzlement is based on a false assumption of my supposed question.

(11-29-2020 07:33 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

It seems they could find enough to at least partially staff it.

I'd be interested to hear you tell us where these qualified nurses who aren't already employed can be found.

Maybe they need to run an ad or something? Craigslist?

I know where one is - my ex-wife. I'll gladly give you her number.


I'd be interested how you know that every single nurse in a county of over 1.8 milliion is already employed and working maximum overtime. Where were they when they started the construction?

Of course there could be shortages in doctors, janitorial staff, security guards, X-ray techs, kitchen staff, whatever. Why just nurses? Is this what CNN is telling you? Or there could be budget problems, or it could have a rodent problem. Could be poison water from fracking (It's next to an field of gas wells). I don't know why it is not open for business. That's why I asked. But the fact remains - there is an empty hospital standing unused.and we are complaining about crowded hospitals.

Note to the liberals: Next time you complain about the tone on here, remember this guy.

Ummm... these are the two posts that InterestedX made that apparently offended you so heavily?

Quote:Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

Quote:I'd be interested to hear you tell us where these qualified nurses who aren't already employed can be found.

Maybe they need to run an ad or something? Craigslist?

Really? That's what has you up in arms?
Perhaps you should go back and look at Tanq's last few responses to Lad and see how they compare those above.

Once again, assumptions are made. Once again, incorrect ones.

That was not a defense of Tanq’s manner - it was to point out that we are not the sole offenders. Yet it is only the lefties who hold their noses and run away. I guess the righties are made of sterner stuff.

I must say that I personally have tried to be more civil lately, even in the face of snark like X and misunderstandings like yours. A liberal who is willing to engage and discuss is as rare as a snow leopard, and like endangered wildlife, must be nurtured and protected. Else they will find a habitat more congenial to their views. For this reason, I value you and Lad, and the occasional other that comes in. But it does seem as though anything less than fawning is objectionable to y’all. Although Lad drives me crazy with his clinging to the Russian witch hunt, at least he is willing to state and defend his thoughts, even to the point of arguing law with lawyers.

Everybody has their style. Since you are talking this morning, how about answering my questions in the protest thread. I just answered yours.

(11-29-2020 10:45 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 07:33 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:57 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It seems they could find enough to at least partially staff it.

I'd be interested to hear you tell us where these qualified nurses who aren't already employed can be found.

Maybe they need to run an ad or something? Craigslist?

I know where one is - my ex-wife. I'll gladly give you her number.


I'd be interested how you know that every single nurse in a county of over 1.8 milliion is already employed and working maximum overtime. Where were they when they started the construction?

Of course there could be shortages in doctors, janitorial staff, security guards, X-ray techs, kitchen staff, whatever. Why just nurses? Is this what CNN is telling you? Or there could be budget problems, or it could have a rodent problem. Could be poison water from fracking (It's next to an field of gas wells). I don't know why it is not open for business. That's why I asked. But the fact remains - there is an empty hospital standing unused.and we are complaining about crowded hospitals.

Note to the liberals: Next time you complain about the tone on here, remember this guy.

Ummm... these are the two posts that InterestedX made that apparently offended you so heavily?

Quote:Maybe they can't staff it. I hear there's quite a shortage of nurses due to some flu or something.

Quote:I'd be interested to hear you tell us where these qualified nurses who aren't already employed can be found.

Maybe they need to run an ad or something? Craigslist?

Really? That's what has you up in arms?
Perhaps you should go back and look at Tanq's last few responses to Lad and see how they compare those above.

Once again, assumptions are made. Once again, incorrect ones.

That was not a defense of Tanq’s manner - it was to point out that we are not the sole offenders. Yet it is only the lefties who hold their noses and run away. I guess the righties are made of sterner stuff.

Yes... it was truly a Profiles in Courage moment when you were apparently offended by InterestedX's relatively innocuous comments. We liberals must strive to attain such "stern stuff". We all feel like complete snowflakes in the face of this gritty display of fortitude.