(11-19-2020 06:50 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  


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Seems like a legit win...But I don't think this is any evidence of fraud.

This was argued in open court and debated multiple times. They counted the ballots with permission from the court...

It seems clear the ballots should have never been considered based on the letter of the law, not sure why they were ever allowed.

Side Note...This was not a Trump lawsuit. Seems like it was taken up by a State Senator because her race is within 30 votes. That actually makes sense.

(11-19-2020 07:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 07:12 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 04:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 03:47 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  It's been 80 years since they have appointed a justice without a law degree, and the standards of education for practicing the law obviously changed over time by moving from "reading the law" to formal education. It isn't really relevant on 2020.

I haven't looked (no idea who she is) but based on a reading of the above, she HAS a law degree. She passed her state's bar

I wasn't saying she didn't have one. Attackcoog brought up the fact that justices without law degrees have been appointed while defending her qualification, I was simply pointing out that was a long time ago and there were different standards so that isn't really relevant to her appointment.

My points with here appointment were the fact that she is married to a trump appointee, works at the law firm representing trump, and according to the bar has next to no trial experience.

You don’t know that for a fact, you think you do, but that’s actually your opinion.

Also, majority of the practicing attorneys in this country never set foot in a court room or go to trial.


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What exactly do I not know for a fact?

Sotamayor couldn’t find her way to a judge’s bench with a map before Barry appointee her from the ivory tower.

(11-19-2020 04:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:19 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here we go!!!




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Good luck with this...

They are playing politics.

This will go as far as them being replaced by the Governor...

Seems Donald called one of these officials after she changed her vote to Yes...

She says she felt no pressure to rescind her yes vote...But she then did after the call. Seems a little inappropriate.

Definitely far more inappropriate than the Dems labeling them Racists and doxxing them for open abuse.

(11-19-2020 08:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 04:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:19 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here we go!!!




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Good luck with this...

They are playing politics.

This will go as far as them being replaced by the Governor...

Seems Donald called one of these officials after she changed her vote to Yes...

She says she felt no pressure to rescind her yes vote...But she then did after the call. Seems a little inappropriate.

Definitely far more inappropriate than the Dems labeling them Racists and doxxing them for open abuse.

Threatening people is wrong, find them and prosecute them. Just like the right wing sending death threats to GA and AZ Secretary of State and their families for doing their job.

The sitting president using the influence of his office to attempt to stop the certification of an election so he can flip the electoral votes is a direct attack on the process of democracy in our country. That’s how you end up with a dictator.

(11-19-2020 08:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 04:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:19 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here we go!!!




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Good luck with this...

They are playing politics.

This will go as far as them being replaced by the Governor...

Seems Donald called one of these officials after she changed her vote to Yes...

She says she felt no pressure to rescind her yes vote...But she then did after the call. Seems a little inappropriate.

Definitely far more inappropriate than the Dems labeling them Racists and doxxing them for open abuse.

Threatening people is wrong, find them and prosecute them. Just like the right wing sending death threats to GA and AZ Secretary of State and their families for doing their job.

The sitting president using the influence of his office to attempt to stop the certification of an election so he can flip the electoral votes is a direct attack on the process of democracy in our country. That’s how you end up with a dictator.

Total lie. The 4 impeachment attempts on Trump are a direct attack on Democracy.

Who bullied her? The guy with a crooked tie or the guy with the US Military?

(11-19-2020 08:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 04:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:19 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here we go!!!




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Good luck with this...

They are playing politics.

This will go as far as them being replaced by the Governor...

Seems Donald called one of these officials after she changed her vote to Yes...

She says she felt no pressure to rescind her yes vote...But she then did after the call. Seems a little inappropriate.

Definitely far more inappropriate than the Dems labeling them Racists and doxxing them for open abuse.

So you don't hold the president to a much higher standard than ignorant nobodies.

Maybe that is part of the issue.

(11-19-2020 08:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 04:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Good luck with this...

They are playing politics.

This will go as far as them being replaced by the Governor...

Seems Donald called one of these officials after she changed her vote to Yes...

She says she felt no pressure to rescind her yes vote...But she then did after the call. Seems a little inappropriate.

Definitely far more inappropriate than the Dems labeling them Racists and doxxing them for open abuse.

Threatening people is wrong, find them and prosecute them. Just like the right wing sending death threats to GA and AZ Secretary of State and their families for doing their job.

The sitting president using the influence of his office to attempt to stop the certification of an election so he can flip the electoral votes is a direct attack on the process of democracy in our country. That’s how you end up with a dictator.

Total lie. The 4 impeachment attempts on Trump are a direct attack on Democracy.

Title 18, Section 595. Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(11-19-2020 09:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 04:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:19 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here we go!!!




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Good luck with this...

They are playing politics.

This will go as far as them being replaced by the Governor...

Seems Donald called one of these officials after she changed her vote to Yes...

She says she felt no pressure to rescind her yes vote...But she then did after the call. Seems a little inappropriate.

Definitely far more inappropriate than the Dems labeling them Racists and doxxing them for open abuse.

So you don't hold the president to a much higher standard than ignorant nobodies.

Maybe that is part of the issue.

Ignorant? yes! Nobodies? Some are elected Democrats.

Trump is supposed to play fair after 4 years of the Resistance screwing over democracy.

(11-19-2020 10:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 04:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Seems Donald called one of these officials after she changed her vote to Yes...

She says she felt no pressure to rescind her yes vote...But she then did after the call. Seems a little inappropriate.

Definitely far more inappropriate than the Dems labeling them Racists and doxxing them for open abuse.

Threatening people is wrong, find them and prosecute them. Just like the right wing sending death threats to GA and AZ Secretary of State and their families for doing their job.

The sitting president using the influence of his office to attempt to stop the certification of an election so he can flip the electoral votes is a direct attack on the process of democracy in our country. That’s how you end up with a dictator.

Total lie. The 4 impeachment attempts on Trump are a direct attack on Democracy.

Title 18, Section 595. Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

LOL. How many Democrats in Congress were arrested 4 years ago when they were actively and publicly trying to get the members of the Electoral College to change their votes from Trump to Hillary in states that Trump won?

(11-20-2020 12:00 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 10:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Definitely far more inappropriate than the Dems labeling them Racists and doxxing them for open abuse.

Threatening people is wrong, find them and prosecute them. Just like the right wing sending death threats to GA and AZ Secretary of State and their families for doing their job.

The sitting president using the influence of his office to attempt to stop the certification of an election so he can flip the electoral votes is a direct attack on the process of democracy in our country. That’s how you end up with a dictator.

Total lie. The 4 impeachment attempts on Trump are a direct attack on Democracy.

Title 18, Section 595. Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

LOL. How many Democrats in Congress were arrested 4 years ago when they were actively and publicly trying to get the members of the Electoral College to change their votes from Trump to Hillary in states that Trump won?

The Democrats sure have short memories. They also dont seem to remember the Democrats using every available procedural Senate delaying tactic to slow down the sitting of key members of the new Trump administration officials during the 2017 transition. They didnt seem to be at all concerned about any "danger to the nation" as mentioned in the 911 report. Its almost as if there is a openly held belief in "Democrat Privilege"----a self perceived echo chamber of superiority where shared arrogance yields the attitude of "rules for thee, but not for me". Ive always held that deep down inside, most "caring" Democrats are totally fake. They are really just control freaks who are obsessed with little more than obtaining the power to control others.

Interesting article. Apparently Tucker Carlson wanted to give the Trump legal team a platform to make their case for voter fraud with respect to voting machines, but they got angry with him about the offer. Apparently Tucker Carlson has now joined the vast liberal conspiracy against the President.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tuck...43725.html

Quote:Tucker Carlson claims Trump's attorney 'got angry' when they pressed her for evidence of voter fraud
On Tucker Carlson Tonight Thursday, rather than push the idea of a fraudulent presidential election, Carlson called out one of President Trump’s attorneys, Sidney Powell, for failing to provide evidence of fraud. Powell has repeatedly claimed that voting machines were rigged in favor of Joe Biden, and that Trump actually won the election by millions of votes. In a bizarre press conference earlier in the day, Powell even claimed that deceased Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who died in 2013, had something to do with the rigging of the machines. Carlson said that he has tried on numerous occasions to get Powell to appear on the show and provide evidence backing up her claims, but to no avail.

“We took Sidney Powell seriously. We had no intention of fighting with her, we’ve always respected her work,” Carlson said. “We simply wanted to see the details. How could you not want to see them? So we invited Sidney Powell on the show. We would have given her the whole hour. We would have given her the entire week, actually, and listened quietly the whole time at rapt attention. That’s a big story. But she never sent us any evidence despite a lot of requests, polite requests. Not a page. When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her.”

(11-20-2020 12:00 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 10:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Threatening people is wrong, find them and prosecute them. Just like the right wing sending death threats to GA and AZ Secretary of State and their families for doing their job.

The sitting president using the influence of his office to attempt to stop the certification of an election so he can flip the electoral votes is a direct attack on the process of democracy in our country. That’s how you end up with a dictator.

Total lie. The 4 impeachment attempts on Trump are a direct attack on Democracy.

Title 18, Section 595. Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments

Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

LOL. How many Democrats in Congress were arrested 4 years ago when they were actively and publicly trying to get the members of the Electoral College to change their votes from Trump to Hillary in states that Trump won?

This statute does not apply to elected officials, only administrators. So, for instance, the statute does not prohibit the President from lobbying state legislatures to change the selection process for electors, whether or not they have such authority after the election has been completed. This would apply to state and local election officials engaged in counting or certifying votes and vote counts, such as Secretaries of State, local boards of election or canvassers, even those directly counting the votes.

(11-19-2020 08:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 08:17 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 04:52 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Good luck with this...

They are playing politics.

This will go as far as them being replaced by the Governor...

Seems Donald called one of these officials after she changed her vote to Yes...

She says she felt no pressure to rescind her yes vote...But she then did after the call. Seems a little inappropriate.

Definitely far more inappropriate than the Dems labeling them Racists and doxxing them for open abuse.

Threatening people is wrong, find them and prosecute them. Just like the right wing sending death threats to GA and AZ Secretary of State and their families for doing their job.

The sitting president using the influence of his office to attempt to stop the certification of an election so he can flip the electoral votes is a direct attack on the process of democracy in our country. That’s how you end up with a dictator.

Total lie. The 4 impeachment attempts on Trump are a direct attack on Democracy.

Another clueless nut who doesn’t know the definition of dictator. Sounds really bad though.....

(11-20-2020 08:04 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Interesting article. Apparently Tucker Carlson wanted to give the Trump legal team a platform to make their case for voter fraud with respect to voting machines, but they got angry with him about the offer. Apparently Tucker Carlson has now joined the vast liberal conspiracy against the President.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tuck...43725.html

Quote:Tucker Carlson claims Trump's attorney 'got angry' when they pressed her for evidence of voter fraud
On Tucker Carlson Tonight Thursday, rather than push the idea of a fraudulent presidential election, Carlson called out one of President Trump’s attorneys, Sidney Powell, for failing to provide evidence of fraud. Powell has repeatedly claimed that voting machines were rigged in favor of Joe Biden, and that Trump actually won the election by millions of votes. In a bizarre press conference earlier in the day, Powell even claimed that deceased Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who died in 2013, had something to do with the rigging of the machines. Carlson said that he has tried on numerous occasions to get Powell to appear on the show and provide evidence backing up her claims, but to no avail.

“We took Sidney Powell seriously. We had no intention of fighting with her, we’ve always respected her work,” Carlson said. “We simply wanted to see the details. How could you not want to see them? So we invited Sidney Powell on the show. We would have given her the whole hour. We would have given her the entire week, actually, and listened quietly the whole time at rapt attention. That’s a big story. But she never sent us any evidence despite a lot of requests, polite requests. Not a page. When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her.”

Disappointed in Tucker when I heard that. Powell has said as plain as day a hundred times they are not going to reveal their evidence until they are in a court of law. Seems to me if this is the case they are not going on Tuckers show and lay their cards on the table. Maybe they are angry because Tucker won’t take no for an answer.

I think the fix is in and no amount of lawsuits, challenges, recounts, etc are going to change it. There are too many people with money and power that do not want Trump to be the President any longer, and they are not going to allow it to happen.

(11-20-2020 08:26 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 08:04 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Interesting article. Apparently Tucker Carlson wanted to give the Trump legal team a platform to make their case for voter fraud with respect to voting machines, but they got angry with him about the offer. Apparently Tucker Carlson has now joined the vast liberal conspiracy against the President.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tuck...43725.html

Quote:Tucker Carlson claims Trump's attorney 'got angry' when they pressed her for evidence of voter fraud
On Tucker Carlson Tonight Thursday, rather than push the idea of a fraudulent presidential election, Carlson called out one of President Trump’s attorneys, Sidney Powell, for failing to provide evidence of fraud. Powell has repeatedly claimed that voting machines were rigged in favor of Joe Biden, and that Trump actually won the election by millions of votes. In a bizarre press conference earlier in the day, Powell even claimed that deceased Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who died in 2013, had something to do with the rigging of the machines. Carlson said that he has tried on numerous occasions to get Powell to appear on the show and provide evidence backing up her claims, but to no avail.

“We took Sidney Powell seriously. We had no intention of fighting with her, we’ve always respected her work,” Carlson said. “We simply wanted to see the details. How could you not want to see them? So we invited Sidney Powell on the show. We would have given her the whole hour. We would have given her the entire week, actually, and listened quietly the whole time at rapt attention. That’s a big story. But she never sent us any evidence despite a lot of requests, polite requests. Not a page. When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her.”

Disappointed in Tucker when I heard that. Powell has said as plain as day a hundred times they are not going to reveal their evidence until they are in a court of law. Seems to me if this is the case they are not going on Tuckers show and lay their cards on the table. Maybe they are angry because Tucker won’t take no for an answer.

NO media personnel deserve specifics before trial....

#endDiscussion

fk 'em all...

(11-19-2020 06:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 03:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 03:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 12:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Concession is more a customary thing than one that has legal significance. Concession basically cuts off his ability to challenge...

How so? What legal position does a concession speech create?

Agreement among both parties as to who won. Its hard to unring that bell.

How so...there's nothing finite established. None of the states had certified anything, much less stopped counting votes.

lol...then whats the argument for calling Biden the president elect? Isnt it the same? The president elect can become the president elect by both sides agreeing to it. If there is no agreement, the process you describe will determine the president elect. If you concede---and then try to pull back--you've now created a new hurdle to overcome--that being your own statement that your opponent won.

I don't think anyone really gives a **** much about what you call him as that means little. The bigger issue is not allowing his transition the funds necessary and access to classified information to get the transition going properly. Again, the 911 commission covered why this can be problematic.

(11-19-2020 07:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-19-2020 06:50 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  


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Seems like a legit win...But I don't think this is any evidence of fraud.

This was argued in open court and debated multiple times. They counted the ballots with permission from the court...

It seems clear the ballots should have never been considered based on the letter of the law, not sure why they were ever allowed.

Side Note...This was not a Trump lawsuit. Seems like it was taken up by a State Senator because her race is within 30 votes. That actually makes sense.

Also, do we know whether these ballots were ever in any official count? Most likely, they were received after election day and IIRC, PA never added these to any count, but rather kept them separate in case they were allowed to be officially added by the courts later.