(11-18-2020 06:59 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump’s recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.

People already lost their faith on the electoral system.



Get woke.

This is what dems in Wisconsin are afraid of. The recount in Wisconsin is apparently extremely transparent and a model for any other state. Therefore, need to change the rules so they dot have to be so transparent of Trump will win in the recount.

(11-18-2020 07:07 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 06:59 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump’s recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.

People already lost their faith on the electoral system.



Get woke.

The system is controlled at the Party level. H.W. Bush got the Democratic and Republican party grandfathered into the ballots in the 50 states. Independents have to get their name on the ballot in all 50 states severally. The cost of that kind of ground campaign for an independent is astronomical.

In the mafia we all know what a made man is. In politics vetting is the same thing. The party doesn't trust you to represent them unless they have the goods on you. So why is the swamp full of critters? Because you have to prove you are a critter before the Dems or Repubs will let you on the ballot at your state level and they have to know you are sold out to them before you get national attention.

So why Trump? Like Ross Perot and Michael Bloomberg he had is own money.

What we have witnessed for 4 years is the total warfare those in control will wage in order to preserve their hold on power and it was by all accounts the ugliest display of what is wrong with America to date.

The only great thing Trump has done for us is to remove the curtain so everyone can see the little corrupt men pulling the levers behind the curtain of the Great and Powerful Oz. So in that regard Trump is Toto.

I wasn't kidding when I said that the average American is just plain damned tired of having the blue faced flying monkeys released on them when they don't toe the line for corporate America.

The Democrats are rife with it, but the Republicans have fallen on their swords left and right to try to stop Trump from wrecking the set up between the Big Banks, Big Pharma, the largest Insurance Companies, Tech and Wall Street and our gubment. The simple truth Dorothy is that both Kansas and Oz run without you and nobody gives a damn in Washington if you find your way back home.

(11-18-2020 01:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:37 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Thanks for the wishes Tom.

As to the election, I recall that there was at least one state that allowed counting through December... Wasn't PA something like 15 days themselves?? and the election isn't 'certified' until that happens. All these projections and logical inferences don't make any difference... and all of these fake concerns about Biden being kept out of meetings is a bunch of crap. The rules are what the rules are. It was different under Bush/Obama/McCain because both guys were sitting Senators and access would have been allowed. Joe Biden does not have a security clearance and won't be given one until the election is certified. Clinton made an exception with Bush and that is great and would be great if Trump did that as well, but Clinton wasn't running for office and contesting the outcome. Gore was. It seems obvious that if Trump decided to 'waive' the laws about access, that would be used against him by both the media and the courts in his legal challenges. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong.

Trump COULD include him and IMO should drop the bs suits and do so, but the LAW SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES him until the election is certified... and Trump is challenging that.

Those ARE the rules.

While delaying the resources to Biden is mostly window dressing, there are real world implications. The 9/11 commission cited the protracted Bush-Gore certification as a factor in our preparedness.

And as you're aware, we are in a pandemic and are currently planning on how we will disburse millions of doses of vaccines across the country. Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense to have the incoming administration involved in those discussions since the responsibility will be theirs come January 21.

That is pretty much a BS talking point. What the report actually said was the extended election procedures played a role in causing a delay in getting people confirmed and working in their jobs "may" have contributed to 911. But I would point to early 2017, when the Democrats were actually using every procedural rule possible to block and delay confirming Trump administration governmental appointees. In other words, they were delaying people getting to work for really no good reason at all---they just did so because they could. Thus, Im kinda in the "cry me a river" camp when it comes to sudden concern on a minor finding in an almost 2 decade old 911 report. Its obviously not a concern the Democrats hold in any great regard.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/us/po...inees.html

That said---I really have no issue with moving forward on dual tracks since Biden taking office in Jan is the most likely outcome right now. Its not like we are talking about a billion dollars here.

(11-18-2020 03:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  At this point, does Biden possess a security clearance? At what level?

If he doesn't, it would be illegal to share classified information with him, or information classified above the level he holds.

Of course, he is probably not a security risk. He probably can't remember anything long enough to be a security risk.

Wouldnt he already have one from his time in the Obama Administration. I thought those remained in effect even when you leave office--unless you do something to have it revoked. Surely he already has some level of security clearance.

(11-18-2020 07:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 01:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:37 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Thanks for the wishes Tom.

As to the election, I recall that there was at least one state that allowed counting through December... Wasn't PA something like 15 days themselves?? and the election isn't 'certified' until that happens. All these projections and logical inferences don't make any difference... and all of these fake concerns about Biden being kept out of meetings is a bunch of crap. The rules are what the rules are. It was different under Bush/Obama/McCain because both guys were sitting Senators and access would have been allowed. Joe Biden does not have a security clearance and won't be given one until the election is certified. Clinton made an exception with Bush and that is great and would be great if Trump did that as well, but Clinton wasn't running for office and contesting the outcome. Gore was. It seems obvious that if Trump decided to 'waive' the laws about access, that would be used against him by both the media and the courts in his legal challenges. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong.

Trump COULD include him and IMO should drop the bs suits and do so, but the LAW SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES him until the election is certified... and Trump is challenging that.

Those ARE the rules.

While delaying the resources to Biden is mostly window dressing, there are real world implications. The 9/11 commission cited the protracted Bush-Gore certification as a factor in our preparedness.

And as you're aware, we are in a pandemic and are currently planning on how we will disburse millions of doses of vaccines across the country. Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense to have the incoming administration involved in those discussions since the responsibility will be theirs come January 21.

That is pretty much a BS talking point. What the report actually said was the extended election procedures played a role in causing a delay in getting people confirmed and working in their jobs "may" have contributed to 911. But I would point to early 2017, when the Democrats were actually using every procedural rule possible to block and delay confirming Trump administration governmental appointees. In other words, they were delaying people getting to work for really no good reason at all---they just did so because they could. Thus, Im kinda in the "cry me a river" camp when it comes to sudden concern on a minor finding in an almost 2 decade old 911 report. Its obviously not a concern the Democrats hold in any great regard.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/us/po...inees.html

I'm afraid that partisan reasoning like this could **** us, though. I don't care what the Democrats hold in great regard, the 9/11 commission was pretty clear (as RWT posted):

"The outgoing administration should provide the president-elect, as soon as possible after Election Day, with classified, compartmented list that catalogues specific, operational threats to national security; major military or covert operations; and pending decisions on the possible use of force. Such a document could provide both notice and a checklist, inviting a president-elect to inquire and learn more."

You can't honestly tell me that "Never Forget" becomes "Eh, whatever" this easily...

(11-18-2020 07:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 03:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  At this point, does Biden possess a security clearance? At what level?

If he doesn't, it would be illegal to share classified information with him, or information classified above the level he holds.

Of course, he is probably not a security risk. He probably can't remember anything long enough to be a security risk.

Wouldnt he already have one from his time in the Obama Administration. I thought those remained in effect even when you leave office--unless you do something to have it revoked. Surely he already has some level of security clearance.

I'm pretty sure I've seen it stated that there is some amount of info (maybe the daily briefing) that former presidents can still get (certainly don't know this for a fact). And I think VPs are fully clear for that. Maybe the clearance technically falls short for a former VP...?

Couple of things...

So if Biden loses 40 out of 50 states in 2024 and refuses to concede until the all of the states have certified their elections that is OK. Because that is the same thing...This election is over.

Secondly Trump doesn't have to concede all he needs to do is allow Biden access to the information and resources so he can be as effective as possible. Because since Trump loves his country he would want Biden to be as successful as possible...Because that is what is best for the country.

(11-18-2020 08:36 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Couple of things...

So if Biden loses 40 out of 50 states in 2024 and refuses to concede until the all of the states have certified their elections that is OK. Because that is the same thing...This election is over.

Secondly Trump doesn't have to concede all he needs to do is allow Biden access to the information and resources so he can be as effective as possible. Because since Trump loves his country he would want Biden to be as successful as possible...Because that is what is best for the country.

You jumped a couple of steps, we aren’t there yet...






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Trump won Wisconsin. The dems there are literally crapping their pants at3 the thought of a recount.

(11-18-2020 08:01 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 07:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 01:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:37 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Thanks for the wishes Tom.

As to the election, I recall that there was at least one state that allowed counting through December... Wasn't PA something like 15 days themselves?? and the election isn't 'certified' until that happens. All these projections and logical inferences don't make any difference... and all of these fake concerns about Biden being kept out of meetings is a bunch of crap. The rules are what the rules are. It was different under Bush/Obama/McCain because both guys were sitting Senators and access would have been allowed. Joe Biden does not have a security clearance and won't be given one until the election is certified. Clinton made an exception with Bush and that is great and would be great if Trump did that as well, but Clinton wasn't running for office and contesting the outcome. Gore was. It seems obvious that if Trump decided to 'waive' the laws about access, that would be used against him by both the media and the courts in his legal challenges. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong.

Trump COULD include him and IMO should drop the bs suits and do so, but the LAW SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES him until the election is certified... and Trump is challenging that.

Those ARE the rules.

While delaying the resources to Biden is mostly window dressing, there are real world implications. The 9/11 commission cited the protracted Bush-Gore certification as a factor in our preparedness.

And as you're aware, we are in a pandemic and are currently planning on how we will disburse millions of doses of vaccines across the country. Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense to have the incoming administration involved in those discussions since the responsibility will be theirs come January 21.

That is pretty much a BS talking point. What the report actually said was the extended election procedures played a role in causing a delay in getting people confirmed and working in their jobs "may" have contributed to 911. But I would point to early 2017, when the Democrats were actually using every procedural rule possible to block and delay confirming Trump administration governmental appointees. In other words, they were delaying people getting to work for really no good reason at all---they just did so because they could. Thus, Im kinda in the "cry me a river" camp when it comes to sudden concern on a minor finding in an almost 2 decade old 911 report. Its obviously not a concern the Democrats hold in any great regard.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/us/po...inees.html

I'm afraid that partisan reasoning like this could **** us, though. I don't care what the Democrats hold in great regard, the 9/11 commission was pretty clear (as RWT posted):

"The outgoing administration should provide the president-elect, as soon as possible after Election Day, with classified, compartmented list that catalogues specific, operational threats to national security; major military or covert operations; and pending decisions on the possible use of force. Such a document could provide both notice and a checklist, inviting a president-elect to inquire and learn more."

You can't honestly tell me that "Never Forget" becomes "Eh, whatever" this easily...

Again, 911 basically happened because the FBI thought extremist Muslins taking pilot lessons where they only wanted to learn to take off, but didnt really care about learning how to land---was not something worth looking into. That information never reached any presidential briefing. Secondly, at the very worst, Biden will start getting presidential briefings in the first week of December--about a month and half prior to ever taking office. You can get worried about it if you wish--but if a president elect cant get a handle on the biggest threats in a month and half of briefings--then he's not competent and was going to be disaster no matter when the briefings started.

Im confident he will have all the information he needs and I suspect the Republican Senate will not go all out to undermine the sitting of his key governmental appointees the way Democrats did.

(11-18-2020 09:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Trump won Wisconsin. The dems there are literally crapping their pants at3 the thought of a recount.

Such snowflakes. That delicate little flower couldnt take 5 minutes of what Trump takes every day.

Kamala is a US Senator who sits on the Intelligence Committee...I would assume she has a pretty high security clearance.

(11-18-2020 10:03 PM)JimTiger Wrote:  

Funny, but this was no KO. It was a split decision.

(11-18-2020 09:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Kamala is a US Senator who sits on the Intelligence Committee...I would assume she has a pretty high security clearance.

Probably, and one has to wonder whether her clearance or her heels reach higher.

Here we go!!!




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(11-18-2020 11:19 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here we go!!!




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Good luck with this...

They are playing politics.

This will go as far as them being replaced by the Governor...

(11-18-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:19 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here we go!!!




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Good luck with this...

They are playing politics.

This will go as far as them being replaced by the Governor...

The Republican led legislature doesn’t like the governor of Michigan, good luck to her if she tries to pull that crap. There are already talks of impeachment because she is using the MDHHS to issue lockdowns and hurt Michigan.


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(11-18-2020 11:30 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2020 11:19 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here we go!!!




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Good luck with this...

They are playing politics.

This will go as far as them being replaced by the Governor...

The Republican led legislature doesn’t like the governor of Michigan, good luck to her if she tries to pull that crap. There are already talks of impeachment because she is using the MDHHS to issue lockdowns and hurt Michigan.


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I thought the state Supreme Court ruled against her dictatorial like decrees. If she is ignoring their ruling that would be grounds for impeachment