(11-09-2020 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 10:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 10:20 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Well, "everybody" may be a stretch, but you know what they say, "if it looks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck".

We've yet to see even a duck zygote!

Nah, it's there, some simply refuse to even acknowldege. Not saying it's enough, but it's definitely there.

Just. Stop.

No.

I get why the winner would want it to stop. I'm not one to beat this into the ground but it needs to be looked into. This is exactly what recounts are for. If nothing happened, then the D's shouldn't care if there is a recount in certain states, right? Look, IMO, Biden is harmless and what happens at a national level rarely impacts my life. I'm more concerned about what happens next. There are A LOT of people wondering if voting is even worth it given what happened in Michigan, heck even what happend in a a local House race where the incumbent (D) was losing until a county "found" just enough votes for her to get the victory.

Nobody, including me, is against a recount. But unless it's close like Georgia, the candidate needs to pay for it...these things are expensive...and they rarely change more than a couple hundred votes.

And pretty much all states are still counting ballots, whether provisional, or legally arriving mail ballots from military, etc. Nobody is saying to stop counting those. States don't need to certify anything yet.

(11-09-2020 11:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Phillly County 2016 -- Clinton 584K votes (82.53 pct), Trump 109K votes (15.37 pct)
Philly County 2020 -- Biden 570K (80.9), Trump 127K (18.1)

Yes, Trump did better but it's still a heavy, heavy blue advantage. It's also showing that not many more votes came out of Philly than what we saw in 2016. When Obama won that county in 2008, there were 717K votes (690 in 2012).

Of course, big cities are going to have a blue advantage. Detroit was the same way...trump did better than last time.

(11-09-2020 12:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 10:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  We've yet to see even a duck zygote!

Nah, it's there, some simply refuse to even acknowldege. Not saying it's enough, but it's definitely there.

Just. Stop.

No.

I get why the winner would want it to stop. I'm not one to beat this into the ground but it needs to be looked into. This is exactly what recounts are for. If nothing happened, then the D's shouldn't care if there is a recount in certain states, right? Look, IMO, Biden is harmless and what happens at a national level rarely impacts my life. I'm more concerned about what happens next. There are A LOT of people wondering if voting is even worth it given what happened in Michigan, heck even what happend in a a local House race where the incumbent (D) was losing until a county "found" just enough votes for her to get the victory.

Nobody, including me, is against a recount. But unless it's close like Georgia, the candidate needs to pay for it...these things are expensive...and they rarely change more than a couple hundred votes.

And pretty much all states are still counting ballots, whether provisional, or legally arriving mail ballots from military, etc. Nobody is saying to stop counting those. States don't need to certify anything yet.

lol....suddenly your worried about cost? Classic. Most of these states havent even finished the original count. How about we just wait and see where this goes. If there is nothing to it--then Im sure Trump will concede just like every other candidate once they see no path to 270. There are lots of oddities and this is the most widespread and massive use of mail in ballots we have ever seen in the nation. The security protocols, which is some states were relaxed due to Covid, have never been pressed into use at this kind of level. Im fine with making sure there was no significant fraud....especially in a year when it would take relatively little fraud to swing an election.

(11-09-2020 12:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 10:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Nah, it's there, some simply refuse to even acknowldege. Not saying it's enough, but it's definitely there.

Just. Stop.

No.

I get why the winner would want it to stop. I'm not one to beat this into the ground but it needs to be looked into. This is exactly what recounts are for. If nothing happened, then the D's shouldn't care if there is a recount in certain states, right? Look, IMO, Biden is harmless and what happens at a national level rarely impacts my life. I'm more concerned about what happens next. There are A LOT of people wondering if voting is even worth it given what happened in Michigan, heck even what happend in a a local House race where the incumbent (D) was losing until a county "found" just enough votes for her to get the victory.

Nobody, including me, is against a recount. But unless it's close like Georgia, the candidate needs to pay for it...these things are expensive...and they rarely change more than a couple hundred votes.

And pretty much all states are still counting ballots, whether provisional, or legally arriving mail ballots from military, etc. Nobody is saying to stop counting those. States don't need to certify anything yet.

lol....suddenly your worried about cost? Classic. Most of these states havent even finished the original count. How about we just wait and see where this goes. If there is nothing to it--then Im sure Trump will concede just like every other candidate once they see no path to 270.

As usual, you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Not every liberal has the same exact view or stance on things...that's just what mopes like Rush has driven into your head over the years.

(11-09-2020 11:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Phillly County 2016 -- Clinton 584K votes (82.53 pct), Trump 109K votes (15.37 pct)
Philly County 2020 -- Biden 570K (80.9), Trump 127K (18.1)

Yes, Trump did better but it's still a heavy, heavy blue advantage. It's also showing that not many more votes came out of Philly than what we saw in 2016. When Obama won that county in 2008, there were 717K votes (690 in 2012).

Yep, a few more votes than 2016 but fewer than 2008.

Point being, for that to be the hub of deceit and fraud, it's odd that the vote totals aren't crazy out of whack and that Trump actually did BETTER there than in 2016.

(11-09-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just. Stop.

No.

I get why the winner would want it to stop. I'm not one to beat this into the ground but it needs to be looked into. This is exactly what recounts are for. If nothing happened, then the D's shouldn't care if there is a recount in certain states, right? Look, IMO, Biden is harmless and what happens at a national level rarely impacts my life. I'm more concerned about what happens next. There are A LOT of people wondering if voting is even worth it given what happened in Michigan, heck even what happend in a a local House race where the incumbent (D) was losing until a county "found" just enough votes for her to get the victory.

Nobody, including me, is against a recount. But unless it's close like Georgia, the candidate needs to pay for it...these things are expensive...and they rarely change more than a couple hundred votes.

And pretty much all states are still counting ballots, whether provisional, or legally arriving mail ballots from military, etc. Nobody is saying to stop counting those. States don't need to certify anything yet.

lol....suddenly your worried about cost? Classic. Most of these states havent even finished the original count. How about we just wait and see where this goes. If there is nothing to it--then Im sure Trump will concede just like every other candidate once they see no path to 270.

As usual, you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Not every liberal has the same exact view or stance on things...that's just what mopes like Rush has driven into your head over the years.

You brought up cost---not me...but by all means continue the irrational deflection and lashing out. Bush-Gore went on 37 days. If this goes on another week or two--or even three---its perfectly reasonable and following previous presidential election precedent established by a Democrat candidate. My sense is if investigations and digging come up blank on the 2 or 3 fronts where enough questionable votes exist to make a difference, then the legal option will be shut down. I doubt this goes on more than a couple of weeks if nothing major is found--perhaps less.

(11-09-2020 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  No.

I get why the winner would want it to stop. I'm not one to beat this into the ground but it needs to be looked into. This is exactly what recounts are for. If nothing happened, then the D's shouldn't care if there is a recount in certain states, right? Look, IMO, Biden is harmless and what happens at a national level rarely impacts my life. I'm more concerned about what happens next. There are A LOT of people wondering if voting is even worth it given what happened in Michigan, heck even what happend in a a local House race where the incumbent (D) was losing until a county "found" just enough votes for her to get the victory.

Nobody, including me, is against a recount. But unless it's close like Georgia, the candidate needs to pay for it...these things are expensive...and they rarely change more than a couple hundred votes.

And pretty much all states are still counting ballots, whether provisional, or legally arriving mail ballots from military, etc. Nobody is saying to stop counting those. States don't need to certify anything yet.

lol....suddenly your worried about cost? Classic. Most of these states havent even finished the original count. How about we just wait and see where this goes. If there is nothing to it--then Im sure Trump will concede just like every other candidate once they see no path to 270.

As usual, you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Not every liberal has the same exact view or stance on things...that's just what mopes like Rush has driven into your head over the years.

You brought up cost---not me...but by all means continue the irrational deflection and lashing out.

Recounts are expensive. Did I misstate anything? No. So WTF is the issue?

(11-09-2020 11:17 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 11:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why is it most elections have recounts, but when Trump wants a recount it's "stealing an election" and the left loses their minds?

Requesting a recount isn't "stealing an election."

Claiming a "election has been stolen" when you lose by 46,000+ votes is the head scratcher.

In the end, the "46,000" number isirrelevant. It's how that number was achieved that is in question. If it is legit, so be it and time to move on. However, it's far from certain that the numbers are legit.

Whether Trump did better in Philly County vs 2016, or Biden did worse then 2008 Obama there, are red herrings as well.

(11-09-2020 12:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Nobody, including me, is against a recount. But unless it's close like Georgia, the candidate needs to pay for it...these things are expensive...and they rarely change more than a couple hundred votes.

And pretty much all states are still counting ballots, whether provisional, or legally arriving mail ballots from military, etc. Nobody is saying to stop counting those. States don't need to certify anything yet.

lol....suddenly your worried about cost? Classic. Most of these states havent even finished the original count. How about we just wait and see where this goes. If there is nothing to it--then Im sure Trump will concede just like every other candidate once they see no path to 270.

As usual, you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Not every liberal has the same exact view or stance on things...that's just what mopes like Rush has driven into your head over the years.

You brought up cost---not me...but by all means continue the irrational deflection and lashing out.

Recounts are expensive. Did I misstate anything? No. So WTF is the issue?

I didnt make it an issue---you did. Try to keep up. As Ive said, if there is nothing to this, then the legal pathway will be shut down fairly quickly---likely within a week or two. Even if the dementia patient becomes president, we'll all be fine.

(11-09-2020 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  No.

I get why the winner would want it to stop. I'm not one to beat this into the ground but it needs to be looked into. This is exactly what recounts are for. If nothing happened, then the D's shouldn't care if there is a recount in certain states, right? Look, IMO, Biden is harmless and what happens at a national level rarely impacts my life. I'm more concerned about what happens next. There are A LOT of people wondering if voting is even worth it given what happened in Michigan, heck even what happend in a a local House race where the incumbent (D) was losing until a county "found" just enough votes for her to get the victory.

Nobody, including me, is against a recount. But unless it's close like Georgia, the candidate needs to pay for it...these things are expensive...and they rarely change more than a couple hundred votes.

And pretty much all states are still counting ballots, whether provisional, or legally arriving mail ballots from military, etc. Nobody is saying to stop counting those. States don't need to certify anything yet.

lol....suddenly your worried about cost? Classic. Most of these states havent even finished the original count. How about we just wait and see where this goes. If there is nothing to it--then Im sure Trump will concede just like every other candidate once they see no path to 270.

As usual, you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Not every liberal has the same exact view or stance on things...that's just what mopes like Rush has driven into your head over the years.

You brought up cost---not me...but by all means continue the irrational deflection and lashing out. Bush-Gore went on 37 days. If this goes on another week or two--or even three---its perfectly reasonable and following previous presidential election precedent established by a Democrat candidate. My sense is if investigations and digging come up blank on the 2 or 3 fronts where enough questionable votes exist to make a difference, then the legal option will be shut down. I doubt this goes on more than a couple of weeks if nothing major is found--perhaps less.

With all the mail in ballots, it may take longer to do recounts. This may go on for another month.

(11-09-2020 12:30 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Whether Trump did better in Philly County vs 2016, or Biden did worse then 2008 Obama there, are red herrings as well.

Why?

If the allegation is the Dems are ginning up votes to help Biden, one would think they would do so in Philly County.

I don't see how fraudulently helping Biden win is done by giving Trump MORE votes than he received last time and at a higher rate.

(11-09-2020 12:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 11:17 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 11:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why is it most elections have recounts, but when Trump wants a recount it's "stealing an election" and the left loses their minds?

Requesting a recount isn't "stealing an election."

Claiming a "election has been stolen" when you lose by 46,000+ votes is the head scratcher.

In the end, the "46,000" number isirrelevant. It's how that number was achieved that is in question. If it is legit, so be it and time to move on. However, it's far from certain that the numbers are legit.

It isn't irrelevant at all.

If someone claims that there are several voting discrepancies in, say, in Florida where 5,000 votes are in dispute in Miami-Dade.

Well, Trump won by 370,000 votes, so the 5k error isn't going to do anything.

It's like saying the refs robbed your team when you lose 34-13.

(11-09-2020 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Nobody, including me, is against a recount. But unless it's close like Georgia, the candidate needs to pay for it...these things are expensive...and they rarely change more than a couple hundred votes.

And pretty much all states are still counting ballots, whether provisional, or legally arriving mail ballots from military, etc. Nobody is saying to stop counting those. States don't need to certify anything yet.

lol....suddenly your worried about cost? Classic. Most of these states havent even finished the original count. How about we just wait and see where this goes. If there is nothing to it--then Im sure Trump will concede just like every other candidate once they see no path to 270.

As usual, you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Not every liberal has the same exact view or stance on things...that's just what mopes like Rush has driven into your head over the years.

You brought up cost---not me...but by all means continue the irrational deflection and lashing out. Bush-Gore went on 37 days. If this goes on another week or two--or even three---its perfectly reasonable and following previous presidential election precedent established by a Democrat candidate. My sense is if investigations and digging come up blank on the 2 or 3 fronts where enough questionable votes exist to make a difference, then the legal option will be shut down. I doubt this goes on more than a couple of weeks if nothing major is found--perhaps less.

With all the mail in ballots, it may take longer to do recounts. This may go on for another month.

I was too young to pay attention in 2000 with Bush v Gore, but how did they handle transition phase during the court battles?

I read on CNN that the GSA is is not releasing the ascertainment funds. I get that the body is still warm on this election and there is a long court fight ahead, but at some point the current administration would have to work with the Biden people correct?

I guess I need to read the Presidential Transition Act. I'm sure the answer is in there.

(11-09-2020 12:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:30 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Whether Trump did better in Philly County vs 2016, or Biden did worse then 2008 Obama there, are red herrings as well.

Why?

If the allegation is the Dems are ginning up votes to help Biden, one would think they would do so in Philly County.

I don't see how fraudulently helping Biden win is done by giving Trump MORE votes than he received last time and at a higher rate.

It's just so odd that when ever you try to explain how a conspiracy theory might work that it falls to ****.

(11-09-2020 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:30 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Whether Trump did better in Philly County vs 2016, or Biden did worse then 2008 Obama there, are red herrings as well.

Why?

If the allegation is the Dems are ginning up votes to help Biden, one would think they would do so in Philly County.

I don't see how fraudulently helping Biden win is done by giving Trump MORE votes than he received last time and at a higher rate.

It's just so odd that when ever you try to explain how a conspiracy theory might work that it falls to ****.

ie- Russian collusion w/ fat ass Nadler and Adam Schitt

(11-09-2020 12:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:30 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Whether Trump did better in Philly County vs 2016, or Biden did worse then 2008 Obama there, are red herrings as well.

Why?

If the allegation is the Dems are ginning up votes to help Biden, one would think they would do so in Philly County.

I don't see how fraudulently helping Biden win is done by giving Trump MORE votes than he received last time and at a higher rate.

They don't have to get rid of the Trump votes.

(11-09-2020 12:43 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 12:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol....suddenly your worried about cost? Classic. Most of these states havent even finished the original count. How about we just wait and see where this goes. If there is nothing to it--then Im sure Trump will concede just like every other candidate once they see no path to 270.

As usual, you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Not every liberal has the same exact view or stance on things...that's just what mopes like Rush has driven into your head over the years.

You brought up cost---not me...but by all means continue the irrational deflection and lashing out. Bush-Gore went on 37 days. If this goes on another week or two--or even three---its perfectly reasonable and following previous presidential election precedent established by a Democrat candidate. My sense is if investigations and digging come up blank on the 2 or 3 fronts where enough questionable votes exist to make a difference, then the legal option will be shut down. I doubt this goes on more than a couple of weeks if nothing major is found--perhaps less.

With all the mail in ballots, it may take longer to do recounts. This may go on for another month.

I was too young to pay attention in 2000 with Bush v Gore, but how did they handle transition phase during the court battles?

I read on CNN that the GSA is is not releasing the ascertainment funds. I get that the body is still warm on this election and there is a long court fight ahead, but at some point the current administration would have to work with the Biden people correct?

I guess I need to read the Presidential Transition Act. I'm sure the answer is in there.

Correct.. But at this point, Trump hasn't conceded, there's recounts and lawsuits abound.. If Trump concedes today, I would expect the transition to start tomorrow. But because CNN/MSNBC/AP/Fox News declare Biden President Elect, it doesn't grant him the right for transition.

No dog in the fight and rarely post here, but could easily see a scenario of this in Philly:

- Trump gains more votes than the past election. Say a hypothetical of 65% Biden, 35% Trump.
- Dems see the margin and know they can manufacture enough votes to get it back up to 80%-20% because those are the "historical" margins in the county to vote blue.
- Nobody would bat an eye because it doesn't look off percentage wise from previous elections.
- The massive get out in vote campaign then fits the larger total vote numbers.

Not saying that happened, but I could see some logic in drawing that conclusion.