(10-20-2020 04:47 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I have my weapons scattered between three properties. I don’t own a registered weapon. I don’t plan on ever registering anything. If the communists come for mine, I will plant them. I’m too old to worry about prison and wouldn’t do well in a box. Might as well go out fighting for what I believe in. If the SOB’s start going door to door I doubt I am the only one.

No, there's a whole lot of us. And they just keep poking the bear.....

(10-20-2020 04:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-20-2020 03:59 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  The last bunch of bureaucrats that tried to take our guns we shot at for 8 years.

Michelle and Barry?

The Brits

Seeing as voting and gun toting are both rights, both should have the same registration requirements, no?

Yes, our military is incredible strong. If the worst possible scenario happened and the military followed orders to assault our citizens, it would be bad. However, I’m reminded of a quote by Lincoln, I’ll win this war as soon as I have a general that understands math.

We have 100,000,000 gun owners and about 2,200,000 soldiers. All of our military’s might would not be brought to bare because the right lives among the left. It’s more like Afghanistan than Battle of the Bulge, and we haven’t been able to win there in the last 20 years. Our navy does nothing, no nukes, no bombing runs. It would be a battle in the streets and door to door.

They could easily kill 20:1 or 30:1, no doubt with their training, but remember a lot of the patriots are ex military also. The resistance to tyranny would last for years and win over time. The people who would sign up to replenish the military would be the guys fighting the military. Chaz and Todd from Antifa aren’t signing up to go knocking in doors.

Those on the Left who are responsible for us even thinking about a civil war should be held accountable. No free passes for them.

It's sad that we have to talk about this subject but sometimes (I always tell my wife this) a man gotta do what a man gotta do.

I was telling a USBP that if it ever came to that I didn't even own a weapon and he told me not to worry I have enough for both of us. LOL

(10-20-2020 06:16 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Seeing as voting and gun toting are both rights, both should have the same registration requirements, no?

And free speech and free press.

Should someone point out that this would represent a disproportionate tax on the poor?

Why do dems hate poor people?

(10-21-2020 09:42 AM)banker Wrote:  Should someone point out that this would represent a disproportionate tax on the poor?

Why do dems hate poor people?

Excellent point.

Given Joe's hatred of the predator jungle, maybe he's targeting the poor intentionally.

(10-20-2020 06:17 PM)banker Wrote:  Yes, our military is incredible strong. If the worst possible scenario happened and the military followed orders to assault our citizens, it would be bad. However, I’m reminded of a quote by Lincoln, I’ll win this war as soon as I have a general that understands math.

We have 100,000,000 gun owners and about 2,200,000 soldiers. All of our military’s might would not be brought to bare because the right lives among the left. It’s more like Afghanistan than Battle of the Bulge, and we haven’t been able to win there in the last 20 years. Our navy does nothing, no nukes, no bombing runs. It would be a battle in the streets and door to door.

They could easily kill 20:1 or 30:1, no doubt with their training, but remember a lot of the patriots are ex military also. The resistance to tyranny would last for years and win over time. The people who would sign up to replenish the military would be the guys fighting the military. Chaz and Todd from Antifa aren’t signing up to go knocking in doors.

You are also overlooking a key factor. Chances are that like in every civil war there has ever been that a significant portion of the military will either defect to or have sympathies with the side they are fighting. Those 2 million troops could very well be halved or more.

Y'all are crazy.

They aren't going to come beating down your door. They aren't going to shoot you.

Their strategy is to make it too expensive to buy any more guns or ammunition. Then make it illegal to carry in public. Then very quietly, over 5-10 years, Americans grow used to never seeing or firing guns except by police & military. Anyone who has one is considered a dangerous outlaw, like pot-smoking hippies were 30 years ago. Except unlike pot, you can't grow a new gun or ammo in your backyard. So guns gradually fade away on their own, and all without any heroic Waco-vs-ATF-style last stands.

You can keep your gun in your attic for decades and it won't make a single bit of difference to their plan.

(10-21-2020 12:10 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Y'all are crazy.

They aren't going to come beating down your door. They aren't going to shoot you.

Their strategy is to make it too expensive to buy any more guns or ammunition. Then make it illegal to carry in public. Then very quietly, over 5-10 years, Americans grow used to never seeing or firing guns except by police & military. Anyone who has one is considered a dangerous outlaw, like pot-smoking hippies were 30 years ago. Except unlike pot, you can't grow a new gun or ammo in your backyard. So guns gradually fade away on their own, and all without any heroic Waco-vs-ATF-style last stands.

You can keep your gun in your attic for decades and it won't make a single bit of difference to their plan.

And do you expect us to allow that?

(10-21-2020 12:13 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 12:10 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Y'all are crazy.

They aren't going to come beating down your door. They aren't going to shoot you.

Their strategy is to make it too expensive to buy any more guns or ammunition. Then make it illegal to carry in public. Then very quietly, over 5-10 years, Americans grow used to never seeing or firing guns except by police & military. Anyone who has one is considered a dangerous outlaw, like pot-smoking hippies were 30 years ago. Except unlike pot, you can't grow a new gun or ammo in your backyard. So guns gradually fade away on their own, and all without any heroic Waco-vs-ATF-style last stands.

You can keep your gun in your attic for decades and it won't make a single bit of difference to their plan.

And do you expect us to allow that?

Of course not.

But you're going to resist at the ballot box, not by valiantly defending your house in a shootout.

We've had multiple threads get derailed by the topic of how the Right would win a War with the Left. But you're living in a fantasy world. The Left won't ever send officers/soldiers after you, because they can win without doing that. All they have to do is win at the ballot box.

You're assuming we will all just sit in our houses alone and either comply or starve. You're assuming we won't band together and take what we need. *shrug*

(10-21-2020 02:45 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Of course not.

But you're going to resist at the ballot box, not by valiantly defending your house in a shootout.

We've had multiple threads get derailed by the topic of how the Right would win a War with the Left. But you're living in a fantasy world. The Left won't ever send officers/soldiers after you, because they can win without doing that. All they have to do is win at the ballot box.

That's the precursor to any conflict. Of course we will try to defeat them at the ballot box and ensure they can never actually enact their policies. When that fails however, that's when things get ugly really fast.

Not a civil war but I could easily see a national movement on a massive scale if something draconian like the Giffords Plan were to be forced through by a one party controlled executive and legislative branch with a packed court to rubber stamp the constitutionality. More massive than what we’ve seen from the Left in 2020 and in a much wider geographic scale. And yes, it would likely turn violent eventually.

(10-21-2020 03:15 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You're assuming we will all just sit in our houses alone and either comply or starve. You're assuming we won't band together and take what we need. *shrug*

Yes, I am assuming that the vast majority of gun owners are law-abiding citizens who will not literally mount a military offensive against the duly elected government.

I know a lot of gun owners, and that is a very safe assumption.

Even if you did mount an offensive, it wouldn't accomplish anything. Every success you had would turn law-and-order independents against you. You'd have to mount an actual Civil War to achieve your goal, and no one wants that.

(10-21-2020 12:10 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Y'all are crazy.

They aren't going to come beating down your door. They aren't going to shoot you.

Their strategy is to make it too expensive to buy any more guns or ammunition. Then make it illegal to carry in public. Then very quietly, over 5-10 years, Americans grow used to never seeing or firing guns except by police & military. Anyone who has one is considered a dangerous outlaw, like pot-smoking hippies were 30 years ago. Except unlike pot, you can't grow a new gun or ammo in your backyard. So guns gradually fade away on their own, and all without any heroic Waco-vs-ATF-style last stands.

You can keep your gun in your attic for decades and it won't make a single bit of difference to their plan.

Not to buy but to own what you currently have via the registration piece of the plan.
NY, Connecticut, Jersey banned the sale of ARs and passed a registration requirement. People laughed it off and did not register because there is no teeth, just a misdemeanor, no big fines no jail time.

(10-21-2020 04:18 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 03:15 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You're assuming we will all just sit in our houses alone and either comply or starve. You're assuming we won't band together and take what we need. *shrug*

Yes, I am assuming that the vast majority of gun owners are law-abiding citizens who will not literally mount a military offensive against the duly elected government.

I know a lot of gun owners, and that is a very safe assumption.

Even if you did mount an offensive, it wouldn't accomplish anything. Every success you had would turn law-and-order independents against you. You'd have to mount an actual Civil War to achieve your goal, and no one wants that.

So thought King George

(10-21-2020 12:10 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Y'all are crazy.

They aren't going to come beating down your door. They aren't going to shoot you.

Their strategy is to make it too expensive to buy any more guns or ammunition. Then make it illegal to carry in public. Then very quietly, over 5-10 years, Americans grow used to never seeing or firing guns except by police & military. Anyone who has one is considered a dangerous outlaw, like pot-smoking hippies were 30 years ago. Except unlike pot, you can't grow a new gun or ammo in your backyard. So guns gradually fade away on their own, and all without any heroic Waco-vs-ATF-style last stands.

You can keep your gun in your attic for decades and it won't make a single bit of difference to their plan.

In theory, you are correct. That is exactly their strategy.

What you are ignoring is the black market that will emerge for manufacturing ammo, running "speak easy" gun ranges where those laws are ignored, etc.

Think prohibition and how that worked out. Or the war on drugs. Especially marijuana. There aren't enough police and military in the country to enforce those laws. On top of that, many would look the other way.