(10-07-2020 11:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  A lot of Conservatives have ruled in favor of gay marriage since they trend towards the popularity of the nation. A lot of churches have been doing gay marriages in all 50 states now. It is money that they can get to help repair the churches and all that.

It is settled law in the land just like Roe vs Wade and Obamacare. A lot of conservative judges are more mind frame of Ronald Reagan as a compassionate Conservative. As long as it is to allow abbortions to the life of the mother and child, incest or rape is fine. Obamacare became popular after several years and that it just needs fixing There are a lot of Democrats and Republicans worked on to improve that act.

Churches don't make money on marriage ceremonies. Usually it's just a courtesy payment of maybe $50 to the minister.

And judges follow the law 99% of the time. "conservative" vs "liberal" judges don't matter unless they're on the Supreme Court because a judge doesn't want to get overturned. A judge with a record of getting overturned is challenged more by lawyers, and ridiculed in the profession.

(10-07-2020 11:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  A lot of Conservatives have ruled in favor of gay marriage since they trend towards the popularity of the nation. A lot of churches have been doing gay marriages in all 50 states now. It is money that they can get to help repair the churches and all that.

It is settled law in the land just like Roe vs Wade and Obamacare. A lot of conservative judges are more mind frame of Ronald Reagan as a compassionate Conservative. As long as it is to allow abbortions to the life of the mother and child, incest or rape is fine. Obamacare became popular after several years and that it just needs fixing There are a lot of Democrats and Republicans worked on to improve that act.

You are so out of touch with reality.

This is similar to Lazy Tom telling us 4 years ago that Trump was going to round up all the gheys and put them in camps. Fear mongering hoping that people won't think and will simply push the (D) button.

Gay marriage. Nobody gives a flying fcuk. Nobody acknowledges it as a real marriage anyways. You're just some freaks with a piece of paper saying you have the same tax rate now.

(10-08-2020 09:20 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  A lot of Conservatives have ruled in favor of gay marriage since they trend towards the popularity of the nation. A lot of churches have been doing gay marriages in all 50 states now. It is money that they can get to help repair the churches and all that.

It is settled law in the land just like Roe vs Wade and Obamacare. A lot of conservative judges are more mind frame of Ronald Reagan as a compassionate Conservative. As long as it is to allow abbortions to the life of the mother and child, incest or rape is fine. Obamacare became popular after several years and that it just needs fixing There are a lot of Democrats and Republicans worked on to improve that act.

Churches don't make money on marriage ceremonies. Usually it's just a courtesy payment of maybe $50 to the minister.

And judges follow the law 99% of the time. "conservative" vs "liberal" judges don't matter unless they're on the Supreme Court because a judge doesn't want to get overturned. A judge with a record of getting overturned is challenged more by lawyers, and ridiculed in the profession.

There's also a rental fee. They do generate some revenue. The minister doesn't get a formal payment.

I'm in employer group health insurance industry. Marriage also lets spouses come onto our plans. Although some employers allowed same sex partnerships before the gay marriage ruling. But point is, it's more than just a tax thing. I'm sure there's other examples/industries that have marriage requirements

Also, even if churches are generating revenue form marriages, I can't imagine they have more than a couple marriages a year

(10-07-2020 11:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  A lot of Conservatives have ruled in favor of gay marriage since they trend towards the popularity of the nation. A lot of churches have been doing gay marriages in all 50 states now. It is money that they can get to help repair the churches and all that.

It is settled law in the land just like Roe vs Wade and Obamacare. A lot of conservative judges are more mind frame of Ronald Reagan as a compassionate Conservative. As long as it is to allow abbortions to the life of the mother and child, incest or rape is fine. Obamacare became popular after several years and that it just needs fixing There are a lot of Democrats and Republicans worked on to improve that act.

What?

So the money that comes in for weddings pays for the repairs to churches?

Wow I thought it was the offering and people giving funding, didn't realize gay marriages contributed that much...

(10-08-2020 11:14 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I'm in employer group health insurance industry. Marriage also lets spouses come onto our plans. Although some employers allowed same sex partnerships before the gay marriage ruling. But point is, it's more than just a tax thing. I'm sure there's other examples/industries that have marriage requirements

Also, even if churches are generating revenue form marriages, I can't imagine they have more than a couple marriages a year

And of course redefining marriage has opened Pandor's Box. Now we're hearing from some that marriage shouldn't be limited to just two people. What if there were 3, 4 or more people?

Also, some have mentioned that it shouldn't be limited to the same species.

What would that do to group health insurance plans?

(10-07-2020 11:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  A lot of Conservatives have ruled in favor of gay marriage since they trend towards the popularity of the nation. A lot of churches have been doing gay marriages in all 50 states now. It is money that they can get to help repair the churches and all that.

It is settled law in the land just like Roe vs Wade and Obamacare. A lot of conservative judges are more mind frame of Ronald Reagan as a compassionate Conservative. As long as it is to allow abbortions to the life of the mother and child, incest or rape is fine. Obamacare became popular after several years and that it just needs fixing There are a lot of Democrats and Republicans worked on to improve that act.

There is no such thing as settled law. And we should be thankful for that.

Otherwise slavery would still be legal.

(10-08-2020 11:14 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I'm in employer group health insurance industry. Marriage also lets spouses come onto our plans. Although some employers allowed same sex partnerships before the gay marriage ruling. But point is, it's more than just a tax thing. I'm sure there's other examples/industries that have marriage requirements

Also, even if churches are generating revenue form marriages, I can't imagine they have more than a couple marriages a year

Some of them have their calendars full. You have to schedule many months in advance.

(10-08-2020 12:28 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  A lot of Conservatives have ruled in favor of gay marriage since they trend towards the popularity of the nation. A lot of churches have been doing gay marriages in all 50 states now. It is money that they can get to help repair the churches and all that.

It is settled law in the land just like Roe vs Wade and Obamacare. A lot of conservative judges are more mind frame of Ronald Reagan as a compassionate Conservative. As long as it is to allow abbortions to the life of the mother and child, incest or rape is fine. Obamacare became popular after several years and that it just needs fixing There are a lot of Democrats and Republicans worked on to improve that act.

There is no such thing as settled law. And we should be thankful for that.

Otherwise slavery would still be legal.

I missed where Obamacare was a law.. Thought it was a tax.. No wait.. an Act.. No wait.. It's a failed socialist program.. That's what it is.

(10-08-2020 10:27 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  This is similar to Lazy Tom telling us 4 years ago that Trump was going to round up all the gheys and put them in camps. Fear mongering hoping that people won't think and will simply push the (D) button.

Where is that silly goose? Haven't seen him around in some time? I would've thought the election/debates would've brought him out...

In all seriousness with everything that's going on, I hope the guy is ok and has stayed healthy.

(10-07-2020 11:59 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:52 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 09:34 AM)Claw Wrote:  I have a lesbian relative getting married in January because they are afraid they won't be able to get married later.

You might want to share with her that if gay marriage does somehow become illegal again, then they can just as easily invalidate all gay marriages that took place prior to the ruling.

You know, if you want to mess with her.

That's what I was thinking

Gay marriage will never be overturned and no serious politician would dare try. Its not worth the cost because the majority of Americans support it. Nor will any SCOTUS risk their credibility on it.

That is a core difference between the Christian right and the Godless progs. We can be againt something, but respect that its a minority position and we are a democratic Republic.

Got to Scare Out the Vote!

(10-08-2020 03:19 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Got to Scare Out the Vote!

As Kamala said last night...They're coming for you!

(10-08-2020 03:03 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:59 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:52 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 09:34 AM)Claw Wrote:  I have a lesbian relative getting married in January because they are afraid they won't be able to get married later.

You might want to share with her that if gay marriage does somehow become illegal again, then they can just as easily invalidate all gay marriages that took place prior to the ruling.

You know, if you want to mess with her.

That's what I was thinking

Gay marriage will never be overturned and no serious politician would dare try. Its not worth the cost because the majority of Americans support it. Nor will any SCOTUS risk their credibility on it.

That is a core difference between the Christian right and the Godless progs. We can be againt something, but respect that its a minority position and we are a democratic Republic.

I pray that our nation turns to Christ and the majority opinion on this changes, but I also know when Christ returns to the earth that will be the end of gay marriage, abortion and many other terribly destructive and blasphemous policies.

I hear what you're saying, but the idea of being a Republic is that we are ruled by law, not by majority vote.

Sure, we elect officials by voting. But that's not the same as rule of law.

In a Republic, the rule of law actually protects the minority against the majority.

Sorry... not trying to lecture.

The law is the law regardless of what the majority (50% + 1) says.


And the last 4 years have shown me that anything can happen.

Who would've thought that with the ultra-liberal strategy of rule by the bench would be effectively negated and, as it may end up, possibly reversed.

And if Trump gets 4 more years and the Senate stays GOP then just imagine what might happen.


But here's my hope: that one day America will experience another Great Awakening.


Great Awakening
First (c. 1730–1755)
Second (c. 1790–1840)
Third (c. 1855–1930)
Fourth (c. 1960–1980)

We can argue about that 4th one. But even when all looks lost, the power of God can turn a nation around in an instance, like a finger drawing a line in the sand. I know that you know that. I'm just saying all this for the sake of discussion.

The problem is that government adopted the religious act of 'marriage' in an effort to promote a social agenda. As the government's social agenda has changed, they don't want to fix the problem they've created by that appropriation, and instead want to infringe upon religion and make it conform to government's changing desires.

That's not how this should work.

Marriage is a simple contract as far as the government should be concerned.... and should be addressed as such.

(10-07-2020 09:36 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  The argument to me is whether government at any level has a Constitutional justification for being in the marriage market to begin with.

Marriage is a religious issue.

Civil Unions are a government issue.

I have no issue with two (or more) people contracting Civil Unions, but defining it as a marriage is misuse of semantics.

Forcing people to acknowledge it as a marriage through government coercion is a violation of the First Amendment. So is letting people be sued for refusing services based on their religious beliefs.

All this ^, well said.

(10-08-2020 03:39 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The problem is that government adopted the religious act of 'marriage' in an effort to promote a social agenda. As the government's social agenda has changed, they don't want to fix the problem they've created by that appropriation, and instead want to infringe upon religion and make it conform to government's changing desires.

That's not how this should work.

Marriage is a simple contract as far as the government should be concerned.... and should be addressed as such.

Marriage is an institution which stabilizes and perpetuates society. Children do best in an intact nuclear family.

The current hijacking of marriage is not driven by what's best for children. Instead, it's driven by sex. The LGBTQ community has turned it into a mechanism to further validate their sexual lifestyle choices.

And given that the purpose of marriage has been appropriated by the radical left, do NOT expect it to end here. We will soon see polygamy included.

With the push to wipe pedophilia from the list of the APA's DSM of mental illnesses we could very well see marriage expanded to reflect that lifestyle/sex choice.

And don't think that it would stop with just people marrying people.

(10-08-2020 03:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-08-2020 03:03 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:59 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:52 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 09:34 AM)Claw Wrote:  I have a lesbian relative getting married in January because they are afraid they won't be able to get married later.

You might want to share with her that if gay marriage does somehow become illegal again, then they can just as easily invalidate all gay marriages that took place prior to the ruling.

You know, if you want to mess with her.

That's what I was thinking

Gay marriage will never be overturned and no serious politician would dare try. Its not worth the cost because the majority of Americans support it. Nor will any SCOTUS risk their credibility on it.

That is a core difference between the Christian right and the Godless progs. We can be againt something, but respect that its a minority position and we are a democratic Republic.

I pray that our nation turns to Christ and the majority opinion on this changes, but I also know when Christ returns to the earth that will be the end of gay marriage, abortion and many other terribly destructive and blasphemous policies.

I hear what you're saying, but the idea of being a Republic is that we are ruled by law, not by majority vote.

Sure, we elect officials by voting. But that's not the same as rule of law.

In a Republic, the rule of law actually protects the minority against the majority.

Sorry... not trying to lecture.

The law is the law regardless of what the majority (50% + 1) says.


And the last 4 years have shown me that anything can happen.

Who would've thought that with the ultra-liberal strategy of rule by the bench would be effectively negated and, as it may end up, possibly reversed.

And if Trump gets 4 more years and the Senate stays GOP then just imagine what might happen.


But here's my hope: that one day America will experience another Great Awakening.


Great Awakening
First (c. 1730–1755)
Second (c. 1790–1840)
Third (c. 1855–1930)
Fourth (c. 1960–1980)

We can argue about that 4th one. But even when all looks lost, the power of God can turn a nation around in an instance, like a finger drawing a line in the sand. I know that you know that. I'm just saying all this for the sake of discussion.

Yep. I continue to pray daily that we have another awakening and turn back to Jesus as a nation.

I think there has been a subtle shift on abortion, but its more due to the science than a spiritual change.

I know the Bible says there is a great falling away and apostasy at the very end, and the final church age is the Laodicean (lukewarm which Jesus vomits put of his mouth)

I pray we have another revival and awaking before that happens. The time is short.