(09-14-2020 06:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (09-14-2020 05:29 PM)JRsec Wrote: (09-14-2020 02:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (09-14-2020 02:20 PM)miko33 Wrote: (09-14-2020 02:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: We've NEVER seen a president demand so much need TO be removed from office. He's destroying everything the office ever stood for. And you all sit by. It's stunning. I would love to see this place had a Democrat administration lied like this clown does.
And that would be????
Exhibit A why there's no point to even engage. You can't honestly say trump has done nothing to warrant most of the critiques against him. You're willfully ignoring reality in support of team over country.
You guys lost your collective ***** when Obama/Rice/Hillary put forth the current intelligence assessments of the time that a video may have been the cause of the Benghazi attack that lead to the death of 4 Americans, but your leader lies his ass off for months and 200k americans die, yet you shrug your shoulders?
Please!
You are the one who wants an open and "honest" debate, but you can't even list specifics. Therein lies the disconnect. No specifics leave you free to spout the next unsubstantiated mantra on your approved Democratic responses. If you want to debate you need specifics, but those come with verifiable facts which as well all know are anathema to those who prevaricate.
Miko asked for specifics, you play victim and cry that your tired. If you are tired go to bed. If you are weary take a break. But when you complain the most seems to me to be when you are most invigorated because your posts count jumps.
I'll give you this, at least you source a few things better than CB and his damned YahooNews.
Dude, I can list dozens of specifics, but you actually believe in a deep state. So what on earth would be the point? You'd only deny reality.
The Deep State is real and was established, or rather heavily enhanced, by H.W. Bush. And I've know it was at work since Eisenhower. It is how large Corporate Multi Nationals have run up the debt to profit themselves first through the Federal Reserve (look up their backers) and then through lobby efforts to offer overseas trade perks that benefitted their trade but at a deficit for the taxpayers. Even stimulus bills by both sides of the aisle have driven up the debt as a means of benefitting their internal trade.
Ultimately we all pay for it. H.W., Clinton, W. and Obama were all part of the same corporate think tanks. It's not whether you wear a ******* or pachyderm on your lapel, it's who pays your campaign bills. H.W. as former director of the CIA just carried practices peculiar to black ops over into the trade policies.
It's why they are all out to get Trump. By all I'm talking most Dems, Ryan, Romney, McCain who was Obama's teaser pony, and oodles of beltway bureaucrats who owed their jobs and future retirements to that crowd.
It's how it really works Tom. It's a hybrid form of fascism that tries hard and sometimes, like now, not at all to keep the illusion of free elections, which of course won't ever exist again until PAC money is killed and only private citizens fund elections and then with caps on what they can give.
This was all carefully explained to me way back in the late 70's by a mentor who was a former governor, by an FBI agent who was one of my instructors, and by 2 former ambassadors, one who wrote speeches for Kennedy and Johnson and the other who was a staunch anti-Communist but a Democrat (1950's style). In my time since in two professions before retiring from each I found nothing in my associations with those in government to indicate that anything had changed.
Now if I was going to have some fun with the current reality I would just toss this monkey wrench into it. What if Trump, besieged as he is, is being set up for re-election by the violence in the street and the constant harassment of his first term by the left. And what if both parties still work for the same corporations and that the corporations want to maintain control over the left but engineer a hard right turn in the nations politics via BLM and ANTIFA? Who better to take the nation to the far right than Trump? He has one term left and the Corporations can call him every name in the book and the American public will support him, maybe even enough that the left which has well identified itself can be dealt a decisive and fatal blow in retaliation for the burning, looting, and murders they've committed.
It would be the modern equivalent of the evening news (now part of the villains) being portrayed with the left as the enemies of everything American, and the right made up of middle class believers, those willing to serve in the military, and those who still believe in patriotism would be solidified and sold on the need to act against the radical left. It would be a purge, not in the sense of death camps, but in the sense of deportations, prosecutions, and enough vigilance to make the common man disavow any sympathy for it.
Why? Corporations will need to become the go between for the U.S. and China and the political shift right will give them leverage while they still portray themselves as left supporters, but in reality (and this is how black ops work) the high tech companies provide the NSA and Homeland and the FBI tons of surveillance. It's like the old days when IBM was the go to for the government.
You see Tom when FDR curtailed antitrust laws to streamline the war effort he made the Deep State possible. Korea convinced them of how profitable some state of perpetual war, designed with no goal to win, would keep a blooded combat unit viable for the defense of the nation, keep weapons development at the forefront, and enrich their companies in the process.
Carter really didn't get us into war. One term. He wasn't Deep State. Reagan didn't get us into war until after he took a bullet. He complied more his 2nd term. Clinton was kept constant conflict going, as did W, and what did Barry promise? Out of Iraq, out of Afghanistan, and out of Gitmo right? What happened? Nada! They all got their pockets lined for following Company or "Shop" as in the old days, instructions.
So Trump may just be a Carter type populist who is actually rattling the cage of the Deep State causing them to mobilize against him, or, and this what I love about black ops thinking, Trump may be the supreme Deep Stater playing the role of the one who is against them at a time when their public image needed to change to gain leverage against the Chinese, without breaking communications with them.
I'm sure you've heard that the enemy of my enemy is my friend right? Hello Vladimir Putin. He's either really playing the U.S. public (which he's not), or he's playing the role we need him to play so that Russia stays in a position of not needing to overspend on defense, while setting up more trade with Europe and without NATO or the EU to really threaten him. So why don't we investigate the death of his opposition? Maybe its because we don't want a change right now.
So smoke it over sport because you'll never know for sure. It's designed that way and he media, the corporations, the bureaucrats, the Democrats, and the Republicans are all playing a role to drive public perception in a particular direction for a motive you will never know a damn thing about in your lifetime.
I'm backing Trump for 2 reasons. First if he is against the Deep State I'm down with that. Second, if he is a new Deeper State, well somehow that makes me feel a bit safer, even if I don't love it.
Why? Because we are about to enter a period of protracted global conflict and it will be primal as the motivation will be the pursuit of essential resources, food, water, opportunity. It's not going to be a time where we need to be divided internally, and it is not going to be a time in which we have someone beholden to foreign powers in the White House, so no Joe Biden, and no Harris, the first being in the pockets of our adversaries and the later being extremely divisive.
So Tom the left plays the role of this teaser pony by being their overwhelmingly offensive and repugnant selves thereby pissing off and unifying the middle against them and setting up legislation that will be repressive to their aims.
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Vote Democrat, or we'll burn it all to the ground...
