(09-09-2020 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Except its not airborne.....per WHO and CDC....guess we arent "following the science" anymore?
Links?
From what I read, it's extremely unlikely, but I don't think we have a definitive answer...and it does transmit via droplets that travel other than through touch, right?
Absolutely---but droplet suspension is not the same as being an airborne virus. Calling it airborne is misinformation.
"It goes through the air" trump said.
And yes I understand that, but they have not totally ruled out it being airborne, but rather saying that it's highly unlikely. At least from what I've seen.
(09-09-2020 11:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: trump new virus was deadly and airborne in February.
Admits to downplaying it in March.
And it's all on tape.
From a Feb interview we found out "downplayed" the coronavirus outbreak to prevent panic.
Meanwhile he banned travel in Jan, began testing Feb 6th and the HHS signed a deal to expedite the development of vaccines & treatments for CV19 by Feb 11th.
(09-09-2020 11:49 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote: How is this a bombshell? Virtually everyone knows that Trump's comments late Spring turned out to be incorrect. It's nothing new...
Timing.
And while we all (well the sane ones anyway) knew he was incorrect, this proves he was purposely lying about it to the public, right? And sure, maybe he quelled a panic, but didn't he also delay public awareness to the severity of this?
Do you really want to pick sides about who was wrong about what when, concerning Covid?
Again, both sides and all sorts of experts made mistakes because it's a novel virus. But bottom line, trump was in charge. He lied to you and us all. He downplayed the severity and now close to 200k americans are dead. If you want to dismiss that and give him four more years, go right ahead, just own it.
(09-09-2020 11:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: trump new virus was deadly and airborne in February.
Admits to downplaying it in March.
And it's all on tape.
From a Feb interview we found out "downplayed" the coronavirus outbreak to prevent panic.
Meanwhile he banned travel in Jan, began testing Feb 6th and the HHS signed a deal to expedite the development of vaccines & treatments for CV19 by Feb 11th.
Nice try.
The travel restrictions were NOT a ban. And it was already here regardless.
Tony Fauci, hero of the left, just exonerated Trump, said Trump didn't downplay the virus in their private meetings, and that Trump wasn't any different in public. He said he doesn't know a single thing that Trump distorted in any way.
(09-09-2020 11:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: trump new virus was deadly and airborne in February.
Admits to downplaying it in March.
And it's all on tape.
From a Feb interview we found out "downplayed" the coronavirus outbreak to prevent panic.
Meanwhile he banned travel in Jan, began testing Feb 6th and the HHS signed a deal to expedite the development of vaccines & treatments for CV19 by Feb 11th.
Nice try.
The travel restrictions were NOT a ban. And it was already here regardless.
Nice try.
What are you faulting him for exactly? That his restrictions weren't severe enough even though he was advocating tougher measures than pretty much any western country? If anything, in hindsight, we should've followed Sweden's route. I don't know how you can blame Corona deaths on Trump. The left was bashing him for doing too much and not keeping the border open. Cuomo's the one who killed the elderly.
(09-09-2020 11:49 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote: How is this a bombshell? Virtually everyone knows that Trump's comments late Spring turned out to be incorrect. It's nothing new...
Timing.
And while we all (well the sane ones anyway) knew he was incorrect, this proves he was purposely lying about it to the public, right? And sure, maybe he quelled a panic, but didn't he also delay public awareness to the severity of this?
Do you really want to pick sides about who was wrong about what when, concerning Covid?
Again, both sides and all sorts of experts made mistakes because it's a novel virus. But bottom line, trump was in charge. He lied to you and us all. He downplayed the severity and now close to 200k americans are dead. If you want to dismiss that and give him four more years, go right ahead, just own it.
I dismiss that and want to give him 4 more years. Thank you very much.
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(09-09-2020 01:24 PM)TripleA Wrote: Tony Fauci, hero of the left, just exonerated Trump, said Trump didn't downplay the virus in their private meetings, and that Trump wasn't any different in public. He said he doesn't know a single thing that Trump distorted in any way.
Also, said the quotes attributed to him were never spoken by him. You would think the 24hr rule would be adhered to regarding "Bombshells" on Trump. Fauci basically stated Trump is an Optimist and would say in meetings he didn't want to panic the country. And the 200,000 number is the most bogus number to ever exist as a stat. Mississippi is now getting more deaths because of death certificates now than actual known deaths. In other words, more people that are dying of natural causes and not being treated for Covid are having Covid show up on their death certificates. This could explain why the Covid hospitilizations have nearly been cut in half in the past 45 days. Because they aren't getting diagnosed with Covid until they die so the reimbursement is more. SCAM.
(09-09-2020 11:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: trump new virus was deadly and airborne in February.
Admits to downplaying it in March.
And it's all on tape.
From a Feb interview we found out "downplayed" the coronavirus outbreak to prevent panic.
Meanwhile he banned travel in Jan, began testing Feb 6th and the HHS signed a deal to expedite the development of vaccines & treatments for CV19 by Feb 11th.
Nice try.
The travel restrictions were NOT a ban. And it was already here regardless.
Nice try.
What are you faulting him for exactly? That his restrictions weren't severe enough even though he was advocating tougher measures than pretty much any western country? If anything, in hindsight, we should've followed Sweden's route. I don't know how you can blame Corona deaths on Trump. The left was bashing him for doing too much and not keeping the border open. Cuomo's the one who killed the elderly.
I wasn't faulting him for anything regarding the China restrictions, just stating facts. We still allowed like 40k people to come in from China IIRC. And no, they weren't all tested upon arrival nor were they all quarantined afterward. And we were like the 40th country to impose a travel restriction.
And speaking of New York, their travelers who brought in the virus came from Europe and those restrictions were imposed later. Both restrictions came after the virus was already here as we now know. So it's hard to tell how much we actually mitigated with them. Additionally, in regards to the Europe ban, it was announced with a delay and many folks then scrambled to come back in before it took effect, which clearly brought back cases. And again, not every was tested nor quarantined upon arrival.
The right often points to this so called ban as some panacea for trump when it really wasn't.
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(09-09-2020 11:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: trump new virus was deadly and airborne in February.
Admits to downplaying it in March.
And it's all on tape.
From a Feb interview we found out "downplayed" the coronavirus outbreak to prevent panic.
Meanwhile he banned travel in Jan, began testing Feb 6th and the HHS signed a deal to expedite the development of vaccines & treatments for CV19 by Feb 11th.
Nice try.
The travel restrictions were NOT a ban. And it was already here regardless.
Nice try.
What are you faulting him for exactly? That his restrictions weren't severe enough even though he was advocating tougher measures than pretty much any western country? If anything, in hindsight, we should've followed Sweden's route. I don't know how you can blame Corona deaths on Trump. The left was bashing him for doing too much and not keeping the border open. Cuomo's the one who killed the elderly.
I wasn't faulting him for anything regarding the China restrictions, just stating facts. We still allowed like 40k people to come in from China IIRC. And no, they weren't all tested upon arrival nor were they all quarantined afterward. And we were like the 40th country to impose a travel restriction.
And speaking of New York, their travelers who brought in the virus came from Europe and those restrictions were imposed later. Both restrictions came after the virus was already here as we now know. So it's hard to tell how much we actually mitigated with them. Additionally, in regards to the Europe ban, it was announced with a delay and many folks then scrambled to come back in before it took effect, which clearly brought back cases. And again, not every was tested nor quarantined upon arrival.
The right often points to this so called ban as some panacea for trump when it really wasn't.
History. When exactly should have Trump looked into his crystal ball and kept Europeans from coming into New York? What Date? Monday morning QB. Easy to say what should have been done in February in September. The "Experts" were saying in Mid February there was nothing for America to worry about.
Cuomo in Mid April, "It's Over, We can control it" "It didn't overwhelm our hospital system". Most likely because he sent all of the old folks to the Nursing Homes to die so his donors could get their scratch of the Federal money by putting those infected patients in his Medicare beds and then putting those infected from the infected in their Medicare beds. I know how Nursing Homes work. Send them to the Hospital, get a good Medicare diagnosis, in this case Covid-19, send them to the Nursing home, put them in the $1000/day Medicare bed plus get the bump from the Feds, Wash and repeat.
(09-09-2020 11:50 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Trump's getting reelected bubba. You can get on your knees and blow Woodward all you want to, but he's getting reelected.
What I don't get is why would Trump be talking to Woodward at all, and why would Woodward simply toss that access away over something as mundane as this?
Trump'll never talk to him again, nor anyone in his orbit. Kinda dumb IMOH.
(09-09-2020 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Except its not airborne.....per WHO and CDC....guess we arent "following the science" anymore?
Links?
From what I read, it's extremely unlikely, but I don't think we have a definitive answer...and it does transmit via droplets that travel other than through touch, right?
See? Right there ^^^
We STILL don't know, so how does someone "lie" about something the best scientists and researchers still haven't decided?
Is it a lie if I say the Vikings will run the ball more on Sunday than pass it, and that turns out to be untrue? Point is, we don't know.
