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I too miss the personal relationships with Dwyer, Georges and Soldy.

(09-05-2020 06:00 AM)nj alum Wrote:  ...Blaming all of this on COVID 19 is just a cover, IMO. What academic departments have been the casualties of COVID 19? ZERO.
...

Great point!

On a different note, I go to the CAA site several times a week just to keep up. I see things such as Drexel Assistant Athletic Directors being named to obscure NCAA competition councils and that Delaware has hired an assistant coach in XXXX minor sport ......but I think that it is interesting that W&M drops 7 sports but that there is no article about it on the CAA site. Maybe it is because they are not sure, from their point of view, whether it is good news or bad news. I'm sure our CAA peers are happy that their swim teams will now have a chance to win a CAA championship (especially men's swimming). On the other hand, there will now be only two men's track teams left (Northeastern and UNCW). UNCW almost dropped men's track themselves a couple of years ago but interested parties stepped up and were able to continue it. Regardless, an original member institution dropping 7 sports should be noteworthy to the league on their web site.

(09-04-2020 10:56 AM)TribeFan88 Wrote:  Anyone know why they cut men's indoor and outdoor track but not women's?

Sadly it is a Simply answer-need to be Title IX complaint.

(09-08-2020 01:54 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Not swimming but this is sad. Another passionate coach begging to save his team.

Track & Field is literally called Athletics in the rest of the world. It is sport in its purest form, and it's disciplines form the basis for all other sports and their training. #saveathletics

-Alex Heacock

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Yeah, would hope there is similar effort to save Track. If they save Track, then we will still need womens volleyball for TitleIX?

They mentioned needing $150 million...which we believe is to endow all scholarships??

It would be nice to have a breakdown of how much is truly needed to save each sport based on current individual endowments. True clear goals are easier to achieve.

(09-08-2020 02:38 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  They mentioned needing $150 million...which we believe is to endow all scholarships??

It would be nice to have a breakdown of how much is truly needed to save each sport based on current individual endowments. True clear goals are easier to achieve.

Yes, I believe the 150 million is an inflated number that would endow the maximum number of scholarships for each canceled sport, among other things. I say inflated because very few schools fund the max number of scholarships in these sports and WM has proven they can compete in most of these sports with their current meager budgets and few if any scholarships. The AD has not provided a detailed breakdown of this 150 million figure, but rest assured it is inflated to make their case stronger.

For example, swim team states they need to raise 4.5 million I believe to be revenue neutral. This amount added to their current endowment would make up the $180K annual shortfall assuming a 4% annual withdrawal rate.

(09-08-2020 02:37 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(09-08-2020 01:54 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Not swimming but this is sad. Another passionate coach begging to save his team.

Track & Field is literally called Athletics in the rest of the world. It is sport in its purest form, and it's disciplines form the basis for all other sports and their training. #saveathletics

-Alex Heacock

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Yeah, would hope there is similar effort to save Track. If they save Track, then we will still need womens volleyball for TitleIX?

If I’m assigning seats on the lifeboat, men’s gymnastics and women’s volleyball would be sacrificed. Volleyball has no track record of success and W&M has to recruit heavily outside the state to find players. Tougher choice on the men’s side, but saving men’s track is critical to saving men’s cross country because top-notch CC talent wants to compete in distance events in the CC offseason, which requires a track team. Based on participation numbers and interest at the HS level, makes more sense to have men’s swimming than men’s gymnastics.

Of course, my hope would be that no sports get cut, but we’ll be lucky to get any restored and so, it's worth prioritizing IMO.

Let’s show the BOV and Huge the true meaning of One Tribe One Family!

It's heartbreaking to see current & former coaches begging to save their programs.

Still no known firings in the front office.

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(09-08-2020 06:10 PM)Tribal Wrote:  It's heartbreaking to see current & former coaches begging to save their programs.

Still no known firings in the front office.

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I’m curious about the “voluntary salary reductions” touted in the statement. I wonder if we’re talking “symbolic,” “substantial” or “sacrificial.” I guess that info will eventually be available since it involves state employees.

I know Rowe asked to take a 15% cut, but it might only be until the end of 2020. So if that is Sept-Dec, and it is 15% reduction for 4 months, that would make it a 5% annual salary reduction.

IDK what the athletic department is doing. Does seem like some of the overhead should be fired if we are reducing sports, but that is how colleges are going now, you know? More money spent in administration and less spent on teaching / the students.

Do we know that there haven't been any layoffs? I'm not sure how much we'd hear about a random associate AD position getting removed

(09-08-2020 08:23 PM)soccerguy315 Wrote:  I know Rowe asked to take a 15% cut, but it might only be until the end of 2020. So if that is Sept-Dec, and it is 15% reduction for 4 months, that would make it a 5% annual salary reduction.

IDK what the athletic department is doing. Does seem like some of the overhead should be fired if we are reducing sports, but that is how colleges are going now, you know? More money spent in administration and less spent on teaching / the students.

Wow, $25,000, give or take. I guess that's something.

That my point, soccer, what do you think W&M pays Henderson? We have 3 Athletics Business Managers, several assistant & associate ADs, 2 Compliance officers, 2 event managers and a four people under them, a SID and four people under him who each provides duties for 3-4 teams, a dozen athletic trainers each responsible for a different team, a few ticket managers, alumni engagement, etc, etc. W&M could fire or furlough half of them at this point and save $800,000. It's ridiculous to retain all of those people when Huge just fired a bunch of coaches and cut nearly a third of all athletic programs. Now cut a third of your inflated workforce, Samantha.

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(09-08-2020 08:46 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Do we know that there haven't been any layoffs? I'm not sure how much we'd hear about a random associate AD position getting removed

I assume we would no longer see theirs names listed here: https://tribeathletics.com/staff-directory

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(09-08-2020 08:52 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(09-08-2020 08:46 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Do we know that there haven't been any layoffs? I'm not sure how much we'd hear about a random associate AD position getting removed

I assume we would no longer see theirs names listed here: https://tribeathletics.com/staff-directory

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I believe we will see a shrinking of the training staff and possibly someone in the SID department but these sports and athletes are still a part of the college so there will not be a marked decrease anytime soon and certainly no announcement. Those two positions are generally short lived anyway so guess is if one or two of each leave there just won’t be a replenishment hiring. As for other staff, their job gets no easier. Not to say there is possibly no fluff in the staffing numbers. Just that their individual jobs haven’t real lessened.

You have to cut men's track re Title Nine in order to balance cutting the scholarship-ridden women's volleyball
cut. There is no going back on any of these cuts...they've been a long time coming. Swimming was almost cut six years
ago as was gymnastics.

(09-08-2020 09:20 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(09-08-2020 08:52 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(09-08-2020 08:46 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Do we know that there haven't been any layoffs? I'm not sure how much we'd hear about a random associate AD position getting removed

I assume we would no longer see theirs names listed here: https://tribeathletics.com/staff-directory

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

I believe we will see a shrinking of the training staff and possibly someone in the SID department but these sports and athletes are still a part of the college so there will not be a marked decrease anytime soon and certainly no announcement. Those two positions are generally short lived anyway so guess is if one or two of each leave there just won’t be a replenishment hiring. As for other staff, their job gets no easier. Not to say there is possibly no fluff in the staffing numbers. Just that their individual jobs haven’t real lessened.

You don't need anyone related to ticket sales, event management, sports information, etc. when games aren't being played. A furlough seems to make a lot of sense. Position elimination makes a lot of sense starting in the spring for positions not needed due to sports team cuts.

(09-09-2020 05:12 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  You have to cut men's track re Title Nine in order to balance cutting the scholarship-ridden women's volleyball
cut. There is no going back on any of these cuts...they've been a long time coming. Swimming was almost cut six years
ago as was gymnastics.

Is this post confirmation that the “For The Bold Campaign” was disingenuous, sold a bill of goods, and is downright scandalous? How do you ask for money for a natatorium if you want to cut the sport? Knowing that it won’t happen? Knowing that it builds another excuse to cut the sport?

Or is this post intended to reduce heat and pass the buck?

From the cheap seats, it is hard to tell what’s going on with this post, given the poster’s connections.

For my school not to promote “save the Tribe7” during the multi-year “For the Bold Campaign” is very unsettling ... trust is a big issue here!

Let’s do a recap.

Donors recently forked over one billion dollars. If current plans/rumors are true, those same donors will pay higher ticket prices when the Hall is down-sized. When the Tribe7 cease to exist, the endowments funded by some of the same donors will be transferred to (fill in the blank).

With volleyball and gymnastics terminated, practice time for (fill in the blank) will no longer be an issue.

To me, this is still all about elevating one sport at the expense of four, and the favoring of twelve / twenty four athletes at the expense of over one hundred athletes.

Monetarily, this may make sense to some people, but in this era where lives matter, the math does not compute.

This does not sit well, and will not end well.

One final point.

It is one thing to cut some sports to SAVE other sports. That motive is pure.

It is quite another thing to cut some sports to ELEVATE other sports. That motive is not pure.

The latter is occurring at William and Mary.

In a perfect world, it would be very noble and pure for basketball to be cut to save gymnastics, track, swimming, and volleyball. After all, basketball is played at the club level.

This suggestion kind of spells it out, doesn’t it. The cost of this Dance ticket is obscene. Shame on William and Mary!

I don't understand how the basketball elevation thing works. If we stay in the CAA, we're not guaranteed anything other than a one bid league. Nicer Hall with fewer seats won't attract any top visiting team other than a big favor once in a while. Moving "up" to something like the A10 orphans football, but the other sports may actually compete better. Maybe the master plan is to go backwards to the Patriot. We may never see any visiting fans, but at least we will win some games.

Seems like an impossible journey to me, but I'm just me and don't run a D1 athletic department. Before W&M neither did Huge.

(09-09-2020 06:02 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  

(09-08-2020 09:20 PM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(09-08-2020 08:52 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(09-08-2020 08:46 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Do we know that there haven't been any layoffs? I'm not sure how much we'd hear about a random associate AD position getting removed

I assume we would no longer see theirs names listed here: https://tribeathletics.com/staff-directory

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I believe we will see a shrinking of the training staff and possibly someone in the SID department but these sports and athletes are still a part of the college so there will not be a marked decrease anytime soon and certainly no announcement. Those two positions are generally short lived anyway so guess is if one or two of each leave there just won’t be a replenishment hiring. As for other staff, their job gets no easier. Not to say there is possibly no fluff in the staffing numbers. Just that their individual jobs haven’t real lessened.

You don't need anyone related to ticket sales, event management, sports information, etc. when games aren't being played. A furlough seems to make a lot of sense. Position elimination makes a lot of sense starting in the spring for positions not needed due to sports team cuts.

We need sports information always. Games or not. They are important for other tasks beyond game coverage. For what it is worth I would rather see no layoffs or furloughs. I think it is inevitable that the administration will lose one or two people at the Associate AD level or higher. At this point there is probably too many folks at that level. Again, though, this will more than likely happen organically by the time these sports are cut at the end of the year.

I'll give in on the SID part, but not a free pass. There is significant work for game events and press leading up to them and afterwards. Furlough folks that aren't needed. People are sitting around trying to find stuff to do.