https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...all-season

Quote:Randy Wade and other parents of Big Ten college football players want answers about why the league postponed the fall football season so early. They're going directly to the source.

Wade, the father of Ohio State star defensive back Shaun Wade, is planning to visit Big Ten headquarters in Rosemont, Illinois, on Friday morning. He's flying to Chicago on Thursday from Florida and expects other parents of Big Ten players to join him and seek specifics from league commissioner Kevin Warren.

"How many petitions must there be for the Big Ten to actually look into this?" Wade told ESPN on Tuesday. "We only have a certain amount of time to correct this, so we need to come together and show more unity and just make them uncomfortable, make them come out of their shells and give us some answers to some questions and hopefully rewind back and open things back up."

Wade tweeted his itinerary for the trip to Big Ten headquarters. He hopes Warren speaks to the parents before he has to travel. If not, he will show up at Warren's office with others.

"There's a lot of power in numbers," Wade said. "I'm hoping we can react and get up there and stir it up and make a change, hopefully. I'm hoping [Warren] reacts before Friday and says some things that satisfies us. That's my hope. We've got to put the pressure on to keep fighting.

"I know there's more important things going on in the world right now, but this is important to these kids."

I get that one rule of administration is not to admit a mistake, but eventually the pressure could get so high that they have no choice, here.

(08-18-2020 01:12 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I get that one rule of administration is not to admit a mistake, but eventually the pressure could get so high that they have no choice, here.

I think the Big10 screwed up. Players want to play. The people that love the players more than anyone---their parents---think its safe to play. In a related note---all these schools are now looking at huge financial losses that tax payers will be having to pay the tab for (at least for the public schools). That really isnt a good PR position to have to defend when you arent willing to even show your data (likely because its less about the data and more about an unreasonably high fear of a law suit--which means it was always about money--not safety). Im not even going to get into the fact there is a very good chance they relied on flawed data---since almost all the data we have is rushed and not peer reviewed. Hell--we are finding we cant even accurately count test results in most states (mine included).

(08-18-2020 01:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 01:12 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I get that one rule of administration is not to admit a mistake, but eventually the pressure could get so high that they have no choice, here.

I think the Big10 screwed up. Players want to play. The people that love the players more than anyone---their parents---think its safe to play. In a related note---all these schools are now looking at huge financial losses that tax payers will be having to pay the tab for (at least for the public schools). That really isnt a good PR position to have to defend when you arent willing to even show your data (likely because its less about the data and more about an unreasonably high fear of a law suit--which means it was always about money--not safety).

One of the biggest costliest blunders I have seen.

I have to say, I can understand where these parents are coming from.

IMO, the debate is becoming less and less about the "science" and more and more about media fear mongering to align with: (1) a business model (more fear is good for business) and (2) a political narrative ("orange man" bad).

Maybe...just maybe...we can make decisions based on the data.

I am not saying that COVID-19 isn't a terrible problem (it is) and vulnerable populations need to be protected (they do). Yes, mistakes have been made at every level of authority. But the data informs us of the best path forward. I just wish people would actually educate themselves. As the linked article notes, that doesn't seem to be happening.

https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/...ience.html

So they're flying across the country in order to futilely protest the first of what will be five cancellations of P5 football seasons due to COVID. Smart. Forward-thinking. Socially responsible.

Way to go Big Ten parents!!

I admire the parents but the presidents / chancellors of the 8 universities that voted no won’t change their minds. They simply can’t.

It’s not like the police can guard the B1G office because their resources are entirely diverted to ANTIFA/looters.

As the dad says in the article, the parents’ strategy is to overwhelm them with numbers. If they successfully storm the building? Warren’s finished. He’s a sitting duck like King Louis.

The pressure appears to be working because the B1G is reportedly reconsidering.

It's now official here in Ohio and outrage is about to go up a few more notches.

(08-18-2020 01:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 01:12 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I get that one rule of administration is not to admit a mistake, but eventually the pressure could get so high that they have no choice, here.

I think the Big10 screwed up. Players want to play. The people that love the players more than anyone---their parents---think its safe to play. In a related note---all these schools are now looking at huge financial losses that tax payers will be having to pay the tab for (at least for the public schools). That really isnt a good PR position to have to defend when you arent willing to even show your data (likely because its less about the data and more about an unreasonably high fear of a law suit--which means it was always about money--not safety). Im not even going to get into the fact there is a very good chance they relied on flawed data---since almost all the data we have is rushed and not peer reviewed. Hell--we are finding we cant even accurately count test results in most states (mine included).

Big 10 and PAC 12 did the right thing. CUSA, AAC, ACC, Big 12, SEC, SBC and the Independent schools are doing the wrong thing.

(08-18-2020 01:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 01:12 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I get that one rule of administration is not to admit a mistake, but eventually the pressure could get so high that they have no choice, here.

I think the Big10 screwed up. Players want to play. The people that love the players more than anyone---their parents---think its safe to play.

Yes, and not just in the outcome. The PAC isn't getting the same blowback in part because to Larry Scott's credit (did i just say that?) the PAC spoke with a clear and transparent voice.

In contrast, the B1G process has been a complete mess, and messes breed suspicion and anger.

This one seems obvious--Warren meets with them, feels their pain, and said it's up to the presidents. End of story.

The Big Ten can't let the indians dictate to the chief. If the Big Ten truly believe it is in the best interest of the athletes to play in the spring then they have to make it happen. Everyone is dealing with adversity and the Big Ten is no different.

I find it very amusing that the people calling out the naysayers about fall sports have now become the naysayers for spring football happening. The reason why coaches and AD's are saying it's not possible to have spring football is because they don't know how to do it. But if TV money is on the table for spring football they'll figure it out.

This is so much to do about nothing.

(08-18-2020 01:40 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  I have to say, I can understand where these parents are coming from.

IMO, the debate is becoming less and less about the "science" and more and more about media fear mongering to align with: (1) a business model (more fear is good for business) and (2) a political narrative ("orange man" bad).

Maybe...just maybe...we can make decisions based on the data.

I am not saying that COVID-19 isn't a terrible problem (it is) and vulnerable populations need to be protected (they do). Yes, mistakes have been made at every level of authority. But the data informs us of the best path forward. I just wish people would actually educate themselves. As the linked article notes, that doesn't seem to be happening.

https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/...ience.html

Holy crap. Reading this explains so much. I've been wondering for months why so many are so freaked out when the data clearly shows the risk is minimal. Frightening stuff. Thanks for posting it.

(08-18-2020 05:25 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 01:40 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  I have to say, I can understand where these parents are coming from.

IMO, the debate is becoming less and less about the "science" and more and more about media fear mongering to align with: (1) a business model (more fear is good for business) and (2) a political narrative ("orange man" bad).

Maybe...just maybe...we can make decisions based on the data.

I am not saying that COVID-19 isn't a terrible problem (it is) and vulnerable populations need to be protected (they do). Yes, mistakes have been made at every level of authority. But the data informs us of the best path forward. I just wish people would actually educate themselves. As the linked article notes, that doesn't seem to be happening.

https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/...ience.html

Holy crap. Reading this explains so much. I've been wondering for months why so many are so freaked out when the data clearly shows the risk is minimal. Frightening stuff. Thanks for posting it.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain

The purpose of this poll and article was meant to drive investment insights, and not inform or explain public policy. Knowing that Americans have poor statistical literacy and that partisan polarization has impacted both how Americans receive information and what they do with it has clear investment implications for the PM of a global macro fund. Everything stated is accurate BUT this isn't data that would or should be used to make public safety decisions since its just a study of American's Perceptions.

Probably worth noting that all the employees of the company that commissioned the poll (as well as the author) are working from home through summer 2021. In a pandemic, I'd argue that actions speak louder than words.

(08-18-2020 05:19 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  The Big Ten can't let the indians dictate to the chief.

The dumbest aspect of the B1G and PAC decisions to cancel is that it was entirely unnecessary. And one of the prime rules of administration is "don't make a decision unless you have to".

The SEC, ACC, and Big 12 have lost none of their flexibility. They can cancel tomorrow if they want. Hell the SEC can cancel on September 25, the day before games start, if they want. They can cancel the season on October 15, after three games have been played.

But the B1G and PAC can't start playing, or at least they would have to do an about-face almost immediately to do so. Canceling is easy, gearing back up for football when the facilities have shut down, players sent home, practices have been canceled, etc. is much harder.

This situation is entirely a self-inflicted wound for the B1G. They had no good reason to decide to cancel last week. I think it was ego, a penchant for noble grandstanding and virtue signalling, an effort to impress the same kind of people who are impressed when Justice Roberts votes with the liberals on a 5-4 supreme court decision.

(08-18-2020 05:56 PM)bgwisc Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 05:25 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 01:40 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  I have to say, I can understand where these parents are coming from.

IMO, the debate is becoming less and less about the "science" and more and more about media fear mongering to align with: (1) a business model (more fear is good for business) and (2) a political narrative ("orange man" bad).

Maybe...just maybe...we can make decisions based on the data.

I am not saying that COVID-19 isn't a terrible problem (it is) and vulnerable populations need to be protected (they do). Yes, mistakes have been made at every level of authority. But the data informs us of the best path forward. I just wish people would actually educate themselves. As the linked article notes, that doesn't seem to be happening.

https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/...ience.html

Holy crap. Reading this explains so much. I've been wondering for months why so many are so freaked out when the data clearly shows the risk is minimal. Frightening stuff. Thanks for posting it.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain

The purpose of this poll and article was meant to drive investment insights, and not inform or explain public policy. Knowing that Americans have poor statistical literacy and that partisan polarization has impacted both how Americans receive information and what they do with it has clear investment implications for the PM of a global macro fund. Everything stated is accurate BUT this isn't data that would or should be used to make public safety decisions since its just a study of American's Perceptions.

Probably worth noting that all the employees of the company that commissioned the poll (as well as the author) are working from home through summer 2021. In a pandemic, I'd argue that actions speak louder than words.

The mortality data was taken directly from the CDC and the survey of respondents was taken using a tool by a third-party company (Dynata). Below is the sourcing directly from the article. Gallup was also part of the survey and I think we would agree they know a thing or two about surveys.

On one hand, you infer that the data is nuanced by the business model of the publisher. Yet the mortality data is directly from the CDC and it stands in contrast to some of the alarmist media reports we have seen about COVID and young people. On the other hand, should we simply believe the media is operating on a purely altruistic basis without any agenda or a business model themselves?

Sources: US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), as of July 22, 2020; Franklin Templeton-Gallup Economics of Recovery Study. Results from this study are based on self-administered web surveys from an opt-in sample provided by Dynata of 10,014 US adults, aged 18 or older. For details about how Dynata recruits respondents in the United States, please see http://info.dynata.com/rs/105-ZDT-791/images/ Dynata_Panel%20Book_2.19.pdf. The survey was conducted between July 2 and July 14, 2020.

(08-18-2020 06:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 05:19 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  The Big Ten can't let the indians dictate to the chief.

The dumbest aspect of the B1G and PAC decisions to cancel is that it was entirely unnecessary. And one of the prime rules of administration is "don't make a decision unless you have to".

The SEC, ACC, and Big 12 have lost none of their flexibility. They can cancel tomorrow if they want. Hell the SEC can cancel on September 25, the day before games start, if they want. They can cancel the season on October 15, after three games have been played.

But the B1G and PAC can't start playing, or at least they would have to an about-face almost immediately to do so. Canceling is easy, gearing back up for football when the facilities have shut down, practices have been canceled, etc. is much harder.

This situation is entirely a self-inflicted wound for the B1G. They had no good reason to decide to cancel last week.

All those linemen on both offense and defense sides of the ball are obese. They are way at risked of dying from the virus. People who are obesed have a much larger chance of dying than say a QB.