(07-17-2020 10:46 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

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(07-16-2020 11:36 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Relax. Everything is going to be fine. Optimistic Owl is a highly respected poster here, and he never starts trouble. I didn't mean to upset you man. I was just trying to make a point that Rice depends on big home games for income, and that they need to be played. I wasn't trying to upset you. WKU is a meaningful member of this conference in ways that Rice isn't. Take it easy. Breathe.

But you touted rices brand as the reason yall get big name schools. Rice has a good baseball brand and a good academic brand. Noone is coming to Houston to play Rice at the Texans stadium because of your academic or baseball brand. Whenever I see these WKUYG post I always think of the Big Lebowski - he's not wrong, he's just an *******. Its the way he makes his argument that most people get annoyed by lol.

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As much as I'd love the discussion to die off, I can't completely agree with some of this. As someone mentioned earlier, Rice does have history in it's favor. It played in the SWC for 80 years, and most of those years were filled with athletics success in football until the late 1960's. We played in the Cotton and Sugar Bowls, and we've defeated many ranked opponents over the years.

Brand is built and reinforced over long periods of time. It takes years, and we have it. It's one of the reasons that we can attract big name programs to Rice Stadium, not just NRG Stadium. People do recognize Rice as a long-standing member of DI (FBS) athletics, as opposed to a newcomer from FCS.

And yes, I do agree that WKUYG can make valid points, but he ruins it with his delivery. Anytime I mention Western Kentucky, I learn to regret it.

Rice is a strong brand. Alabama could have 20 straight losing seasons and still have a strong brand. Rice was the only C-USA school that was brought up during all the Big 12 expansion talk. Rice would already be in the AAC if they had invested more in their football program. Rice is right there with SMU as for as brand goes. Probably a better brand than SMU, all things considered.

(07-17-2020 01:11 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:46 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 12:30 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:36 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Relax. Everything is going to be fine. Optimistic Owl is a highly respected poster here, and he never starts trouble. I didn't mean to upset you man. I was just trying to make a point that Rice depends on big home games for income, and that they need to be played. I wasn't trying to upset you. WKU is a meaningful member of this conference in ways that Rice isn't. Take it easy. Breathe.

But you touted rices brand as the reason yall get big name schools. Rice has a good baseball brand and a good academic brand. Noone is coming to Houston to play Rice at the Texans stadium because of your academic or baseball brand. Whenever I see these WKUYG post I always think of the Big Lebowski - he's not wrong, he's just an *******. Its the way he makes his argument that most people get annoyed by lol.

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As much as I'd love the discussion to die off, I can't completely agree with some of this. As someone mentioned earlier, Rice does have history in it's favor. It played in the SWC for 80 years, and most of those years were filled with athletics success in football until the late 1960's. We played in the Cotton and Sugar Bowls, and we've defeated many ranked opponents over the years.

Brand is built and reinforced over long periods of time. It takes years, and we have it. It's one of the reasons that we can attract big name programs to Rice Stadium, not just NRG Stadium. People do recognize Rice as a long-standing member of DI (FBS) athletics, as opposed to a newcomer from FCS.

And yes, I do agree that WKUYG can make valid points, but he ruins it with his delivery. Anytime I mention Western Kentucky, I learn to regret it.

Rice is a strong brand. Alabama could have 20 straight losing seasons and still have a strong brand. Rice was the only C-USA school that was brought up during all the Big 12 expansion talk. Rice would already be in the AAC if they had invested more in their football program. Rice is right there with SMU as for as brand goes. Probably a better brand than SMU, all things considered.

That is bit of a stretch on a national stage.

How is that brand helping C-USA to have higher ranking among the G5 when it comes to conference football strength?

Are NCAA basketball NET ratings higher because of the RICE brand?

The reality is unfortunate. Subpar performance by RICE in both these sports has contributed to lower ratings in both national measures. I agree the Brand is strong and the academics are unmatched in C-USA.

So all of you that think being ranked 60+ years ago makes someone a national brand today would have no problem saying Western Basketball is a National Brand?

Rice football was ranked at some point in a season of the AP starting 1931 a total of 15 times up till 1961

Highest ranking and a total of 70 weeks
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Western basketball ranking in the AP which did not start till 1949 (18 years after the FB poll started)
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From 1931 to 1948 Western had the following seasons that would have earned a ranking in the AP some top 5

1948...28-2
1947...25-4
1943...24-3
1942...29-5
1941...22-4
1940...24-6
1939...22-3
1938...30-3
1937...21-2
1936...26-4
1935...24-3
1934...28-8

As much as some of you try....you cant have it both ways. The facts are Western at one point in their history was a top 10 basketball program. Even up till the early 2000s Western was still ranked as a top 40 basketball program. Not for 1 or 5 or 10 years but all-time.

Before someone wants to say I never heard of Western till they joined the conference. The same applies to Rice football. Unless it was pointed put to you by being in the same conference. No one on this board under the age 60 other than a Rice fan knew of their history.

I know the only think I knew about Rice. Great School, Till I looked up their history. Never heard of their FB program unless I same them in a bowl and that would have to be 2006 up because before that you need to go back to 1961

(07-17-2020 07:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So all of you that think being ranked 60+ years ago makes someone a national brand today would have no problem saying Western Basketball is a National Brand?

Rice football was ranked at some point in a season of the AP starting 1931 a total of 15 times up till 1961

Highest ranking and a total of 70 weeks
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Western basketball ranking in the AP which did not start till 1949 (18 years after the FB poll started)
21 times a total of 111 weeks
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From 1931 to 1948 Western had the following seasons that would have earned a ranking in the AP some top 5

1948...28-2
1947...25-4
1943...24-3
1942...29-5
1941...22-4
1940...24-6
1939...22-3
1938...30-3
1937...21-2
1936...26-4
1935...24-3
1934...28-8

As much as some of you try....you cant have it both ways. The facts are Western at one point in their history was a top 10 basketball program. Even up till the early 2000s Western was still ranked as a top 40 basketball program. Not for 1 or 5 or 10 years but all-time.

Before someone wants to say I never heard of Western till they joined the conference. The same applies to Rice football. Unless it was pointed put to you by being in the same conference. No one on this board under the age 60 other than a Rice fan knew of their history.

I know the only think I knew about Rice. Great School, Till I looked up their history. Never heard of their FB program unless I same them in a bowl and that would have to be 2006 up because before that you need to go back to 1961

What's your point? Try and put it in one sentence.

Rice football was familiar to me, and as an average program, growing up in the 70s and on. But I have to admit the thing I knew most about Rice was that they were the team that had the player come off the bench and tackle an Alabama player on his way to a TD. It was in some bowl game in the 50s or 60s. It was televised so probably 60s. The guy ran back and sat on the bench like no one saw what he did. Knowing afterward that no one was injured made the story hilarious.


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(07-17-2020 08:46 PM)blazr Wrote:  Rice football was familiar to me, and as an average program, growing up in the 70s and on. But I have to admit the thing I knew most about Rice was that they were the team that had the player come off the bench and tackle an Alabama player on his way to a TD. It was in some bowl game in the 50s or 60s. It was televised so probably 60s. The guy ran back and sat on the bench like no one saw what he did. Knowing afterward that no one was injured made the story hilarious.


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It was an Alabama player (Tommy Lewis) tackling a Rice player (Dicky Maegle). Maegle was awarded the TD, which contributed to his 265 yards on 11 carries for 4 TDs.

Rice 28, Alabama 6. 1954 Cotton Bowl

bench tackle

Lewis's reason/excuse? "I was just full of Alabama".

(07-17-2020 08:50 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 08:46 PM)blazr Wrote:  Rice football was familiar to me, and as an average program, growing up in the 70s and on. But I have to admit the thing I knew most about Rice was that they were the team that had the player come off the bench and tackle an Alabama player on his way to a TD. It was in some bowl game in the 50s or 60s. It was televised so probably 60s. The guy ran back and sat on the bench like no one saw what he did. Knowing afterward that no one was injured made the story hilarious.


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It was an Alabama player (Tommy Lewis) tackling a Rice player (Dicky Maegle). Maegle was awarded the TD, which contributed to his 265 yards on 11 carries for 4 TDs.

Rice 28, Alabama 6. 1954 Cotton Bowl

bench tackle

Lewis's reason/excuse? "I was just full of Alabama".

Nice find!! Even though it was so beyond the rules, I’m surprised they awarded him the TD. Although no scenario like that probably existed in the rule book.


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(07-17-2020 01:11 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:46 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 12:30 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:36 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Relax. Everything is going to be fine. Optimistic Owl is a highly respected poster here, and he never starts trouble. I didn't mean to upset you man. I was just trying to make a point that Rice depends on big home games for income, and that they need to be played. I wasn't trying to upset you. WKU is a meaningful member of this conference in ways that Rice isn't. Take it easy. Breathe.

But you touted rices brand as the reason yall get big name schools. Rice has a good baseball brand and a good academic brand. Noone is coming to Houston to play Rice at the Texans stadium because of your academic or baseball brand. Whenever I see these WKUYG post I always think of the Big Lebowski - he's not wrong, he's just an *******. Its the way he makes his argument that most people get annoyed by lol.

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As much as I'd love the discussion to die off, I can't completely agree with some of this. As someone mentioned earlier, Rice does have history in it's favor. It played in the SWC for 80 years, and most of those years were filled with athletics success in football until the late 1960's. We played in the Cotton and Sugar Bowls, and we've defeated many ranked opponents over the years.

Brand is built and reinforced over long periods of time. It takes years, and we have it. It's one of the reasons that we can attract big name programs to Rice Stadium, not just NRG Stadium. People do recognize Rice as a long-standing member of DI (FBS) athletics, as opposed to a newcomer from FCS.

And yes, I do agree that WKUYG can make valid points, but he ruins it with his delivery. Anytime I mention Western Kentucky, I learn to regret it.

Rice is a strong brand. Alabama could have 20 straight losing seasons and still have a strong brand. Rice was the only C-USA school that was brought up during all the Big 12 expansion talk. Rice would already be in the AAC if they had invested more in their football program. Rice is right there with SMU as for as brand goes. Probably a better brand than SMU, all things considered.

I agree Rice is a strong brand, in academia. Yes Alabama could have 20 straight losing seasons in a row and still have a strong brand but that doesn't mean Rice does from 60 years ago because yall haven't done on the field what Alabama did. Also just because you were in the SWV doesn't mean you have. Strong football brand. Does Vanderbilt have a strong football brand. Probably the closest comparison to Rice except they are still in a power conference.

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(07-17-2020 09:02 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 08:50 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 08:46 PM)blazr Wrote:  Rice football was familiar to me, and as an average program, growing up in the 70s and on. But I have to admit the thing I knew most about Rice was that they were the team that had the player come off the bench and tackle an Alabama player on his way to a TD. It was in some bowl game in the 50s or 60s. It was televised so probably 60s. The guy ran back and sat on the bench like no one saw what he did. Knowing afterward that no one was injured made the story hilarious.


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It was an Alabama player (Tommy Lewis) tackling a Rice player (Dicky Maegle). Maegle was awarded the TD, which contributed to his 265 yards on 11 carries for 4 TDs.

Rice 28, Alabama 6. 1954 Cotton Bowl

bench tackle

Lewis's reason/excuse? "I was just full of Alabama".

Nice find!! Even though it was so beyond the rules, I’m surprised they awarded him the TD. Although no scenario like that probably existed in the rule book.


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Judgement call back then. Rules were changed as a result.

Lets put this to rest with one question...

Forget you ever heard of the uk basketball program is UK a national FOOTBALL brand? A simple yes or no will do.

I'm going to go ahead and assume, off of the comments I read over the years about uk football that not one of you would think of uk and their football program as having any brand, other than losers. I posted what Rice did in their glory years.

UK
ranked 20 times in the AP poll for a total of 90 weeks. 46 out of 104 seasons uk had a winning record with 11 of those 8 or more wins (same as Rice)
uk played in the Sugar, Cotton, Orange, and peach bowls
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Damn Western football has 5 wins since 2012 over football schools that are national brands...2 over Rice and 2 over uk and if those two are national brands. Arkansas surely is and Western beat the dog crap out of the Pigs. Hell might as well make that 6 wins over national brands....

Vandy was ranked in the AP poll 10 out of 19 years from 1937 to 1958 about the same years Rice was ranked. A total of 14 years in the AP poll. For a school that was full FBS in 2009...

6 wins over National Football Brands is pretty damn good especially with 4 on the road and a 5th played in a NFL stadium

WKUYG, by every measure, Rice is a much stronger brand than WKU. There's no comparison. I doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees with that. Stop being foolish.

(07-18-2020 12:07 AM)Ourland Wrote:  WKUYG, by every measure, Rice is a much stronger brand than WKU. There's no comparison. I doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees with that. Stop being foolish.

You need to answer the question is UK a national brand? Vandy? If you answer no to both of those....

that is also your answer to Rice football. If you answer yes then its you that's being foolish. You wont find a post with me saying Western has a national brand but let me put that in context. If Rice football is a national brand just by what they did from 1937 to 1961....

Western's basketball which did a lot more nationally, than Rice football, in that time frame, even 10 years later, was a top 10 program. That is not by a homer fan saying so. It was by the media at that time.

The only people I see saying anything about Rice and brand...academics, and we all agree on that. Along with a few fans that played football in the same conference as Rice.

Honestly its amazing that people that went to a school like Rice and they have zero common sense. How in the world can anyone think a school that had 47 out of 58 losing seasons of football. Hell the 11 winning seasons since 1961 wasnt that great, nothing special. Well I dont see how anyone could say Rice football 2020 had a positive brand in football. Much less a national brand...

is there a 1,000 people alive today that wasnt a fan of a SWC school that can actually recall the glory days of Rice football?

Answer the first question I asked and I know you hate to but by refusing to....

doesnt change the answer. Side by side uk football has a better history than Rice. Rice and Vandy are probably closer but go a step farther and take them out of the SEC the last 24 years. BTW do the same for Duke and remove them from the ACC, and Duke has been ranked in the AP poll 31 times with 7 top 5 (two top 2).

Come to think of it Rice is more like Tulane in history with both school being removed from a P5 type conference. Does Tulane have a positive football brand? Tulane was ranked 15 times with a couple top 4 and they played in the Rose and Sugar bowl.

One last question that should tell you just how valuable the Rice football brand is to CUSA. How many times has Rice been chosen for tier 1 and tier 2 CUSA football games? You can forget about listing games with a Texas or Baylor or true national teams. They are not choosing that game because of Rice.

So answer two questions...the first and last. If Rice has a national brand our tier 1 and 2 are going to put Rice football games on before any of the rest of us. That is the one and only opinion that truly tell branding....2020

(07-17-2020 01:11 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:46 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 12:30 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:36 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Relax. Everything is going to be fine. Optimistic Owl is a highly respected poster here, and he never starts trouble. I didn't mean to upset you man. I was just trying to make a point that Rice depends on big home games for income, and that they need to be played. I wasn't trying to upset you. WKU is a meaningful member of this conference in ways that Rice isn't. Take it easy. Breathe.

But you touted rices brand as the reason yall get big name schools. Rice has a good baseball brand and a good academic brand. Noone is coming to Houston to play Rice at the Texans stadium because of your academic or baseball brand. Whenever I see these WKUYG post I always think of the Big Lebowski - he's not wrong, he's just an *******. Its the way he makes his argument that most people get annoyed by lol.

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As much as I'd love the discussion to die off, I can't completely agree with some of this. As someone mentioned earlier, Rice does have history in it's favor. It played in the SWC for 80 years, and most of those years were filled with athletics success in football until the late 1960's. We played in the Cotton and Sugar Bowls, and we've defeated many ranked opponents over the years.

Brand is built and reinforced over long periods of time. It takes years, and we have it. It's one of the reasons that we can attract big name programs to Rice Stadium, not just NRG Stadium. People do recognize Rice as a long-standing member of DI (FBS) athletics, as opposed to a newcomer from FCS.

And yes, I do agree that WKUYG can make valid points, but he ruins it with his delivery. Anytime I mention Western Kentucky, I learn to regret it.

Rice is a strong brand. Alabama could have 20 straight losing seasons and still have a strong brand. Rice was the only C-USA school that was brought up during all the Big 12 expansion talk. Rice would already be in the AAC if they had invested more in their football program. Rice is right there with SMU as for as brand goes. Probably a better brand than SMU, all things considered.

How do you even measure brand strength? Serious question.

I don't know of an actual metric. Everyone probably has a different order if you were to ask them to rank the brand strength of all C-USA members.

I wiil try again...

(07-17-2020 04:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  How is that brand helping C-USA to have higher ranking among the G5 when it comes to conference football strength?

Are NCAA basketball NET ratings higher because of the RICE brand?

The reality is unfortunate. Subpar performance by RICE in both these sports has contributed to lower ratings in both national measures. I agree the Brand is strong and the academics are unmatched in C-USA.

Any RICE fan want to respond to these questions????????

So one of the stronger FCS conferences canceled all fall sports including football. CAA will not play this fall that includes FCS powers JMU, W&M, Hofstra and Delaware. That's a big blow to FCS I suspect most FCS conferences will follow suit with the cost of a season outweighing playing. Which G5 conference will make this decision?

(07-18-2020 08:07 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  So one of the stronger FCS conferences canceled all fall sports including football. CAA will not play this fall that includes FCS powers JMU, W&M, Hofstra and Delaware. That's a big blow to FCS I suspect most FCS conferences will follow suit with the cost of a season outweighing playing. Which G5 conference will make this decision?

Currently, JMU will play as an independent this fall. They are having discussions with FBS and FCS teams trying to put together at least an 8 game season. Word is if it happens it could be several FBS games.

(07-18-2020 02:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I wiil try again...

(07-17-2020 04:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  How is that brand helping C-USA to have higher ranking among the G5 when it comes to conference football strength?

Are NCAA basketball NET ratings higher because of the RICE brand?

The reality is unfortunate. Subpar performance by RICE in both these sports has contributed to lower ratings in both national measures. I agree the Brand is strong and the academics are unmatched in C-USA.

Any RICE fan want to respond to these questions????????

Right now, Rice's brand does very little to contribute to CUSA's overall strength in football and basketball, but it benefits CUSA's membership in a numbers of ways.

Rice...

- represents CUSA as it's only noteworthy "academic" institution and private university
- gives CUSA's small market members meaningful media coverage within a gigantic metroplex
- provides access to Houston area recruits that would otherwise be off limits to "eastern" members
- provides central time zone games during prime time hours
- is highly competitive in women's basketball and Olympic sports, where it routinely wins championships

(07-09-2020 11:04 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end there will be NO college fb this year. All you need is one player on a team to test positive and nearly the whole team and coaching staff will be on quarantine for 14 days. These AD's are living in fantasy land.

Agreed - a season would be an absolute debacle (for the reason you noted).

Thanks for your honesty.

OURLAND-- " Right now RICE's brand does very little to contribute to CUSA's overall strength in football and basketball..."

Conference strength in those two sports is what does or does not bring in better TV contracts, NCAA tourney money, conference ranking, etc.. I am a fan of college baseball and women's sports--- but these do very little to "carry the water".

RICE has not done this in these two sports in a long, long time. I hope they will soon but have strong doubts.