I've been having conversations with others about the debate on whether or not to reopen the schools. Some people are still terrified of the virus and what I hear sounds like they are getting their info from the MSM, who is still on panic alert. What the MSM is doing is using anecdotes to sell their narrative and not using actual data which is available and totally destroys their argument against opening the schools.

That fear is not based on the science - the data is out there that says that kids' risk is almost 0 and they are NOT spreading it to adults. There are numerous studies out now from Iceland, Ireland, France, Netherlands, Australia, Denmark, Spain and the U.S.

Quote:The most important evidence regarding pediatric transmission of COVID-19 comes from Iceland, and their study published in The New England Journal of Medicine.

Be suspicious of any expert ignoring this paper and discussing anecdotes instead.

It was based on a population-representative sample (identified without respect to symptomatic status), and a sample based on the presence of symptoms.

The study isolated SARS-CoV-2 samples from every positive case, sequenced genome of the virus, and tracked the mutation patterns.

This analysis, along with contact tracing, allowed the authors to identify definitively who passed the virus to whom.

Quote:Thus, the alarmist claiming kids are super-spreaders are trying to base policy on a hypothesis that looks only at a sliver of the data.

That would be bad enough.

But what they are doing is worse.

They are not just ignoring tons of data. But ignoring the most systematic and in favor of the most anecdotal.

Ignoring the genetic analysis out of Iceland because of an impressionistic news report is not science. It’s sleight of hand. And a poor one at that.

Quote:Note your cousin’s friend who heard about some stuff . . . almost certainly didn’t sequence any genomes.

The same is true of the news reports of isolated instances of school outbreaks.

Though these accounts usually proclaim hysterically that children are super-spreaders, their conclusions seem never to be based on actual tracing (much less deep genetic analyses). Never.

Yet these stories are getting more press than Iceland.

This is especially weird here, as Iceland is not an outlier. Its results are also corroborated all over the world.

In fact, at this point so many datasets on point, it’s overwhelming.

Why Do Teachers Unions Hate Our Kids?

Teacher's Unions are against re-opening. Tell us again how "It's about the children." No, by saying the union is worried about kids spreading this to teachers, you are telling us it really is all about YOU. This is also political. By not re-opening the schools, the left knows that some parents will have to stay home with the kids. Economic impact. We see through this ploy and need to stand up to them to say "open it up." Do it BASED ON SCIENCE. There is no possible way to make risk = 0.

The psychological impact that this lockdown has had on kids is huge. We put bad prisoners into isolation as punishment. This is what we've done to children and the effects are far reaching.

Saw a video today from CNN (can't find it on Google) where the host had on 6 Pediatricians and they were discussing the issue. The final Q. to the 6 was "would YOU send your kids back to school now?" Every one of them said yes, emphatically. The look on the CNN hosts face as he realized that his whole piece just went up in smoke was priceless.

Watch this video segment.

https://news.yahoo.com/dr-scott-atlas-sl...31124.html

(07-14-2020 04:10 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I've been having conversations with others about the debate on whether or not to reopen the schools. Some people are still terrified of the virus and what I hear sounds like they are getting their info from the MSM, who is still on panic alert. What the MSM is doing is using anecdotes to sell their narrative and not using actual data which is available and totally destroys their argument against opening the schools.

That fear is not based on the science - the data is out there that says that kids' risk is almost 0 and they are NOT spreading it to adults. There are numerous studies out now from Iceland, Ireland, France, Netherlands, Australia, Denmark, Spain and the U.S.

Quote:The most important evidence regarding pediatric transmission of COVID-19 comes from Iceland, and their study published in The New England Journal of Medicine.

Be suspicious of any expert ignoring this paper and discussing anecdotes instead.

It was based on a population-representative sample (identified without respect to symptomatic status), and a sample based on the presence of symptoms.

The study isolated SARS-CoV-2 samples from every positive case, sequenced genome of the virus, and tracked the mutation patterns.

This analysis, along with contact tracing, allowed the authors to identify definitively who passed the virus to whom.

Quote:Thus, the alarmist claiming kids are super-spreaders are trying to base policy on a hypothesis that looks only at a sliver of the data.

That would be bad enough.

But what they are doing is worse.

They are not just ignoring tons of data. But ignoring the most systematic and in favor of the most anecdotal.

Ignoring the genetic analysis out of Iceland because of an impressionistic news report is not science. It’s sleight of hand. And a poor one at that.

Quote:Note your cousin’s friend who heard about some stuff . . . almost certainly didn’t sequence any genomes.

The same is true of the news reports of isolated instances of school outbreaks.

Though these accounts usually proclaim hysterically that children are super-spreaders, their conclusions seem never to be based on actual tracing (much less deep genetic analyses). Never.

Yet these stories are getting more press than Iceland.

This is especially weird here, as Iceland is not an outlier. Its results are also corroborated all over the world.

In fact, at this point so many datasets on point, it’s overwhelming.

Why Do Teachers Unions Hate Our Kids?

Teacher's Unions are against re-opening. Tell us again how "It's about the children." No, by saying the union is worried about kids spreading this to teachers, you are telling us it really is all about YOU. This is also political. By not re-opening the schools, the left knows that some parents will have to stay home with the kids. Economic impact. We see through this ploy and need to stand up to them to say "open it up." Do it BASED ON SCIENCE. There is no possible way to make risk = 0.

The psychological impact that this lockdown has had on kids is huge. We put bad prisoners into isolation as punishment. This is what we've done to children and the effects are far reaching.

Saw a video today from CNN (can't find it on Google) where the host had on 6 Pediatricians and they were discussing the issue. The final Q. to the 6 was "would YOU send your kids back to school now?" Every one of them said yes, emphatically. The look on the CNN hosts face as he realized that his whole piece just went up in smoke was priceless.

Watch this video segment.

https://news.yahoo.com/dr-scott-atlas-sl...31124.html

If the teachers don't teach AT SCHOOL they don't get paid. If they teach online their pay gets cut by 2/3rds. Problem solved.

The H1N1 pandemic of 2009 was a much greater threat to children than covid19 and no schools shut down then.

But of course, it was Obama in charge of things then. No crisis needed.

A lot of people are terrified because they believe the lying MSM. It amazes me how people think its killing 5% of the people who get it.

Some people are just naturally terrified of anything different.

Others have unrealistic goals of saving everyone which has never been the goal.

Others are opposed simply because our President thinks its a good idea.

And others are opposed because they think it will hurt the economy and help the Democrats.

And others are opposed because its no skin off their back if kids get behind and blue collar workers can't work.

And then there are the fascist/Stalnist Democratic politicians.

Thanks for finding that. I thought it was CNN and was going from memory.

Quote:A major teachers union is claiming that the re-opening of schools in its district cannot occur without several substantial policy provisions in place, including a "moratorium" on charter schools and the defunding of local police.

United Teachers Los Angeles, a 35,000-strong union in the Los Angeles Unified School District, made those demands in a policy paper it released this week. The organization called on local authorities to "keep school campuses closed when the semester begins on Aug. 18."

....snip....

Quote:The union also demands the implementation of a federal Medicare-for-All program, several new state-level taxes on wealthy people, and a "federal bailout" of the school district.

...snip.....

"As it stands, the only people guaranteed to benefit from the premature physical reopening of schools amidst a rapidly accelerating pandemic are billionaires and the politicians they’ve purchased," it adds.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/...chools-get

Not only are these union demands nuts, but the school district, run by liberal democrats is deep in the red.

There have been teachers that have died from the virus. They are worried for sure, and do not feel safe teaching in the classrooms. Where did you get your info? What they said is they don't know for sure that the children could spread, we have presume that they are spreaders as well.

(07-14-2020 10:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There have been teachers that have died from the virus. They are worried for sure, and do not feel safe teaching in the classrooms. Where did you get your info? What they said is they don't know for sure that the children could spread, we have presume that they are spreaders as well.

Well, the great news is, no one is forced to be a teacher. Any person who is too afraid to live can move into a shack in the middle of the Arizona desert and live worry free.

(07-14-2020 10:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There have been teachers that have died from the virus. They are worried for sure, and do not feel safe teaching in the classrooms. Where did you get your info? What they said is they don't know for sure that the children could spread, we have presume that they are spreaders as well.

Proof of this please. You're always making these unsubstantiated statements. Show your work.

Schools were shut down very early. If a lot of teachers died from covid (doubtful) they probably didn't get it in a classroom.

(07-14-2020 10:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There have been teachers that have died from the virus. They are worried for sure, and do not feel safe teaching in the classrooms. Where did you get your info? What they said is they don't know for sure that the children could spread, we have presume that they are spreaders as well.

If truck drivers, supply chain packers and garbageman have to go to work because they are essential, then teachers can show back up as well.

(07-15-2020 05:29 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 10:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There have been teachers that have died from the virus. They are worried for sure, and do not feel safe teaching in the classrooms. Where did you get your info? What they said is they don't know for sure that the children could spread, we have presume that they are spreaders as well.

If truck drivers, supply chain packers and garbageman have to go to work because they are essential, then teachers can show back up as well.

That's why it's such a load of bullsh!t. My daughter is working all summer at a grocery store before going back to school in the fall. She has been exposed to A LOT of people because grocery store workers are essential. Funny how the private sector has to suck it up while the teachers unions feel their members are entitled to special treatment. It's morally disgusting. Even more - it's not like we're talking about a disease with a high mortality rate either...

Another reason why public sector unions should be illegal.

(07-14-2020 10:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There have been teachers that have died from the virus. They are worried for sure, and do not feel safe teaching in the classrooms. Where did you get your info? What they said is they don't know for sure that the children could spread, we have presume that they are spreaders as well.

There have been plumbers and airline pilots that have died from it or with it too, dummy.

What makes you think a teacher automatically caught it from some little kid who hasn’t been there since March , instead of the local quickie mart or bed bath and beyond?

More likely Karen’s husband who’s been trolling the local divorcee market to get away from her brought it on home as a little gift. Far more likely than from little Amy who hasn’t seen a classroom in nearly 6 months.

Other professionals and workers are expected to make a living despite the risk. Why are teachers expecting to be paid when others are out there working with the same risk[/align]

(07-15-2020 05:42 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 05:29 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 10:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There have been teachers that have died from the virus. They are worried for sure, and do not feel safe teaching in the classrooms. Where did you get your info? What they said is they don't know for sure that the children could spread, we have presume that they are spreaders as well.

If truck drivers, supply chain packers and garbageman have to go to work because they are essential, then teachers can show back up as well.

That's why it's such a load of bullsh!t. My daughter is working all summer at a grocery store before going back to school in the fall. She has been exposed to A LOT of people because grocery store workers are essential. Funny how the private sector has to suck it up while the teachers unions feel their members are entitled to special treatment. It's morally disgusting. Even more - it's not like we're talking about a disease with a high mortality rate either...

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A teachers union out in Los Angeles has "defund police" as one of their demands before going back to work... that should tell you how much it is actually about the kids. Lunatics.

(07-15-2020 08:28 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  A teachers union out in Los Angeles has "defund police" as one of their demands before going back to work... that should tell you how much it is actually about the kids. Lunatics.

welcome to he77 coming to a neighborhood near you. ..

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(07-15-2020 05:29 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 10:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There have been teachers that have died from the virus. They are worried for sure, and do not feel safe teaching in the classrooms. Where did you get your info? What they said is they don't know for sure that the children could spread, we have presume that they are spreaders as well.

If truck drivers, supply chain packers and garbageman have to go to work because they are essential, then teachers can show back up as well.

Easy Solution: Let the Truck Drivers, Supply Chain packers and Garbagemen (garbagepeople if you have to be PC) teach our kids in our schools, and let the schoolteachers drive trucks, pack boxes and pick up the garbage...everyone would be safe and Education would improve dramatically for our children! Problem Solved! Next!

(07-15-2020 08:28 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  A teachers union out in Los Angeles has "defund police" as one of their demands before going back to work... that should tell you how much it is actually about the kids. Lunatics.

From the LA Teacher’s Union white paper on opening schools this fall in the face of the pandemic...

Quote: “The COVID-19 pandemic in the United States underscores the deep equity and justice challenges arising from our profoundly racist, intensely unequal society,” the paper read. “Unlike other countries that recognize protecting lives is the key to protecting livelihoods, the United States has chosen to prioritize profits over people. The Trump administration’s attempt to force people to return to work on a large scale depends on restarting physical schools so parents have childcare. In Los Angeles, this means increasing risk especially in Black and Brown working communities, where people are more likely to have 'essential' jobs, insufficient health care, higher levels of preexisting health conditions, and to live in crowded housing."

“Meanwhile,” it continued, “the rewards of economic recovery accrue largely to white and well-off communities that have largely been shielded from the worst of the pandemic’s effects.”

Yes they call for defunding police And charter schools, too. Must be settled science...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...ng-schools

Good Lord.