Say whatever you want, mask mandates are unconstitutional.

(07-07-2020 03:37 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 03:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I'll offer up some free political strategy to Trump (although I know he'll completely ignore it). But three words could easily swing things back in his favor with this July maneuver.

National Mask Mandate

He won't do it of course. But that's all he needs to do to force schools to re-open, at least maintain the economy on where it's at and possibly open up things a bit further depending on how the next few weeks shake down. And he won't even have to admit he's made any mistakes.

Just say that data does show masks are effective. And that's the main difference in the countries that are handling Covid 19 cases and deaths more efficiently than the United States. He could say look I don't think Covid 19 is all that significant right now, and I would prefer to open up the economy even more. But to do that, everyone is going to have to chip in and wear masks indoors in high population areas (schools, stores, etc.). A lot of Republican Governors and administrators have realized that. And 70 to 80 percent of the American public agree that masks should be mandated nationally. Now it's up to the president to listen to the country and make that announcement.

And if he puts on a mask when he's making that announcement, even better.

Ironically, if he doesn't do that now, I maintain he'll be forced to do it just prior to the election. But by then, it will be too late.

How exactly will a national "mandate" help?

There is no Federal or State authority to force individuals to wear anything ever.

(07-07-2020 03:38 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Say whatever you want, mask mandates are unconstitutional.

And the acts of a dear leader, not a POTUS.

(07-07-2020 03:39 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 03:37 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 03:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I'll offer up some free political strategy to Trump (although I know he'll completely ignore it). But three words could easily swing things back in his favor with this July maneuver.

National Mask Mandate

He won't do it of course. But that's all he needs to do to force schools to re-open, at least maintain the economy on where it's at and possibly open up things a bit further depending on how the next few weeks shake down. And he won't even have to admit he's made any mistakes.

Just say that data does show masks are effective. And that's the main difference in the countries that are handling Covid 19 cases and deaths more efficiently than the United States. He could say look I don't think Covid 19 is all that significant right now, and I would prefer to open up the economy even more. But to do that, everyone is going to have to chip in and wear masks indoors in high population areas (schools, stores, etc.). A lot of Republican Governors and administrators have realized that. And 70 to 80 percent of the American public agree that masks should be mandated nationally. Now it's up to the president to listen to the country and make that announcement.

And if he puts on a mask when he's making that announcement, even better.

Ironically, if he doesn't do that now, I maintain he'll be forced to do it just prior to the election. But by then, it will be too late.

How exactly will a national "mandate" help?

There is no Federal or State authority to force individuals to wear anything every.

Yeah...from a legal and practicality standpoint you're not going to be able to surveillance 32 million private businesses and public areas. It's a ridiculous proposition. I personally will wear one but I don't have a right to force someone to wear one within the privacy of their lives.

(07-07-2020 03:38 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Say whatever you want, mask mandates are unconstitutional.

Based on what court decision or legislation?

During a 'State of Emergency' all sorts of things become Constitutional when it comes to public health. There are different roles for states and feds of course, but it is highly similar to any other public health requirement... like wearing a shirt and/or shoes. I'm not addressing whether it is a good or bad idea, but there is a section of the Constitution giving almost unlimited power to iirc, the Sec of Interior (that has since been given to the CDC) to 'do whatever is necessary' to protect American lives. One can argue that this isn't necessary, but that's not the same thing as arguing that the power doesn't exist.

(07-07-2020 03:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I'll offer up some free political strategy to Trump (although I know he'll completely ignore it). But three words could easily swing things back in his favor with this July maneuver.

National Mask Mandate

He won't do it of course. But that's all he needs to do to force schools to re-open, at least maintain the economy on where it's at and possibly open up things a bit further depending on how the next few weeks shake down. And he won't even have to admit he's made any mistakes.

Just say that data does show masks are effective. And that's the main difference in the countries that are handling Covid 19 cases and deaths more efficiently than the United States. He could say look I don't think Covid 19 is all that significant right now, and I would prefer to open up the economy even more. But to do that, everyone is going to have to chip in and wear masks indoors in high population areas (schools, stores, etc.). A lot of Republican Governors and administrators have realized that. And 70 to 80 percent of the American public agree that masks should be mandated nationally. Now it's up to the president to listen to the country and make that announcement.

And if he puts on a mask when he's making that announcement, even better.

Ironically, if he doesn't do that now, I maintain he'll be forced to do it just prior to the election. But by then, it will be too late.

Wouldn't make any difference... and he's very clearly explained that his situation is vastly different than most people's in terms of testing and measures being taken around him.... which of course all of us knew before, but many ignored until Trump said it, and now many still ignore what he said.

There isn't one person on the planet not voting for Trump because he doesn't wear a mask, and not one that would vote FOR him (and many would vote against him, or more likely not vote) if he came out in favor of a national mandate.

Look at the money. And not at the Democratic money. They don't have a clue. These are the battleground states:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/amid-ch...ctoral-map

"...The Trump campaign is currently up on TV in local markets in 12 states:

AZ, FL, GA, IA, MI, MN, NV, NM, NC, OH, PA, WI..."
Also, he is campaigning in New Hampshire (local TV would be expensive Boston).
He has no fall in GA or NM yet, so the local is just feeling out the market.

I'm guessing the SCOTUS would have to hear the constitutionality of mask mandates. But, I'm thinking the gov't would win on that one.

(07-07-2020 05:35 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm guessing the SCOTUS would have to hear the constitutionality of mask mandates. But, I'm thinking the gov't would win on that one.

Of course they would, but that doesn't make it constitutional.

Well the TEA (Texas Education Agency) just announced masks will be mandatory in Texas public schools this year (ages 10 and up, so we're realistically talking middle and high schools). If Texas is doing that, you can bet most big states will follow suit.

And here's a revision on my 3-word advice, change it to 4 words. Put on a mask.

He won't need to make an executive order on it because most states and local agencies are taking things into their own hands. But the simple act of putting on a mask at a high profile event will generate huge publicity, the type Trump likes. Yes, some of his supporters won't like it but what are they going to do, vote for Biden???

I'm telling you he'll get more votes from that simple act (which is admitting he's been wrong without having to say as much) than he'll lose.

(07-07-2020 12:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I'd love to hear both yaz explain '16....

ol' boy is trying to explain how pointless both blocs and the msm are spooging in ya 'eye and yammer'...

#wakeTheFkUp

Trump won 2016 in large part because Hillary ran a ridiculously arrogant and poor campaign... focusing on NY and CA... and ignored/abused especially WV, PA, WI and MI.... and he very shrewdly focused on those few key states he needed... and convinced 'just enough' people in each of them to win (almost?) all of them.

The question isn't, is Biden doing worse/running a worse campaign... the question was, what is his strategy... and I don't see his strategy.... unless it is 'electoral fatigue'.

The left's strategy is to gang up against Trump/continue to misrepresent it.... to 'hide' Biden and to play identity politics with his VP choice. I don't know Trump's strategy... and your description of what he's doing is nothing new... and IMO, not what won those key states last time.

Biden's strategy is to let Trump keep running his mouth about walls/confederate monuments sending African-Americans and Hispanics running to Biden. Biden needs to decide between Kamala Harris, Tammy Duckworth, Val Demings, and Susan Rice in the next 14-15 days so they can start prepping for up coming debates.

(07-07-2020 05:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 12:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I'd love to hear both yaz explain '16....

ol' boy is trying to explain how pointless both blocs and the msm are spooging in ya 'eye and yammer'...

#wakeTheFkUp

Trump won 2016 in large part because Hillary ran a ridiculously arrogant and poor campaign... focusing on NY and CA... and ignored/abused especially WV, PA, WI and MI.... and he very shrewdly focused on those few key states he needed... and convinced 'just enough' people in each of them to win (almost?) all of them.

The question isn't, is Biden doing worse/running a worse campaign... the question was, what is his strategy... and I don't see his strategy.... unless it is 'electoral fatigue'.

The left's strategy is to gang up against Trump/continue to misrepresent it.... to 'hide' Biden and to play identity politics with his VP choice. I don't know Trump's strategy... and your description of what he's doing is nothing new... and IMO, not what won those key states last time.

Biden's strategy is to let Trump keep running his mouth about walls/confederate monuments sending African-Americans and Hispanics running to Biden. Biden needs to decide between Kamala Harris, Tammy Duckworth, Val Demings, and Susan Rice in the next 14-15 days so they can start prepping for up coming debates.

The race will tighten a little once Biden chooses one of those awful VP candidates. How ridiculous.

(07-07-2020 05:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 12:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I'd love to hear both yaz explain '16....

ol' boy is trying to explain how pointless both blocs and the msm are spooging in ya 'eye and yammer'...

#wakeTheFkUp

Trump won 2016 in large part because Hillary ran a ridiculously arrogant and poor campaign... focusing on NY and CA... and ignored/abused especially WV, PA, WI and MI.... and he very shrewdly focused on those few key states he needed... and convinced 'just enough' people in each of them to win (almost?) all of them.

The question isn't, is Biden doing worse/running a worse campaign... the question was, what is his strategy... and I don't see his strategy.... unless it is 'electoral fatigue'.

The left's strategy is to gang up against Trump/continue to misrepresent it.... to 'hide' Biden and to play identity politics with his VP choice. I don't know Trump's strategy... and your description of what he's doing is nothing new... and IMO, not what won those key states last time.

Biden's strategy is to let Trump keep running his mouth about walls/confederate monuments sending African-Americans and Hispanics running to Biden. Biden needs to decide between Kamala Harris, Tammy Duckworth, Val Demings, and Susan Rice in the next 14-15 days so they can start prepping for up coming debates.

Biden’s strategy is to to as he is told while his superiors decide on his running mate.

(07-07-2020 05:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 12:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I'd love to hear both yaz explain '16....

ol' boy is trying to explain how pointless both blocs and the msm are spooging in ya 'eye and yammer'...

#wakeTheFkUp

Trump won 2016 in large part because Hillary ran a ridiculously arrogant and poor campaign... focusing on NY and CA... and ignored/abused especially WV, PA, WI and MI.... and he very shrewdly focused on those few key states he needed... and convinced 'just enough' people in each of them to win (almost?) all of them.

The question isn't, is Biden doing worse/running a worse campaign... the question was, what is his strategy... and I don't see his strategy.... unless it is 'electoral fatigue'.

The left's strategy is to gang up against Trump/continue to misrepresent it.... to 'hide' Biden and to play identity politics with his VP choice. I don't know Trump's strategy... and your description of what he's doing is nothing new... and IMO, not what won those key states last time.

Biden's strategy is to let Trump keep running his mouth about walls/confederate monuments sending African-Americans and Hispanics running to Biden. Biden needs to decide between Kamala Harris, Tammy Duckworth, Val Demings, and Susan Rice in the next 14-15 days so they can start prepping for up coming debates.

Maybe some will be influenced by the VP selection, but a majority of blacks are straight ticket (D) regardless of walls or monuments.

Not much different from the last election imo. Embarrass and bash Biden and the left at every turn relentlessly. Especially in regard to the Russian ties to him and his loser son. Focus on the economy, immigration and step up the long used GOP winning message of Law and order...safety..security. Biden is a clueless old man that has nothing to really offer anyone and has a RECORD of failure to go after..over and over and over. Trump is going to tear him a new arsehole. I almost feel sorry for Sloe.

Joe Biden is the new Mondale. He has no option but to attempt to tie himself to the progressive wing of the party that abandoned it last election. The Bernie Bros and the Warrenites have to be appeased to get them to the polls. This will open himself up to Trump attacking him as a radical lefty and as dangerous as those he has aligned with. The results could be Mondaleish in November.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/06/point-of-no-return/

"Donald Trump gave the greatest speech of his career on Friday night at Mount Rushmore, an address that will soon take on historic importance. The president has now forced his opponents out of their fetid hothouse of snobbery, humbug, and subversion....

President Trump spoke nothing but the truth at Mount Rushmore on Friday when he said “Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children. Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities. Many of these people have no idea why they are doing this but some know exactly what they are doing....""

(07-07-2020 06:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/06/point-of-no-return/

"Donald Trump gave the greatest speech of his career on Friday night at Mount Rushmore, an address that will soon take on historic importance. The president has now forced his opponents out of their fetid hothouse of snobbery, humbug, and subversion....

President Trump spoke nothing but the truth at Mount Rushmore on Friday when he said “Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children. Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities. Many of these people have no idea why they are doing this but some know exactly what they are doing....""

it came off as another photo-op like standing in front of a church he doesn't attend holding a book I doubt he reads.

(07-07-2020 06:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/06/point-of-no-return/

"Donald Trump gave the greatest speech of his career on Friday night at Mount Rushmore, an address that will soon take on historic importance. The president has now forced his opponents out of their fetid hothouse of snobbery, humbug, and subversion....

President Trump spoke nothing but the truth at Mount Rushmore on Friday when he said “Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children. Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities. Many of these people have no idea why they are doing this but some know exactly what they are doing....""

Yep...Its the classic GOP game plan of hammering the left on security and law and order. It has worked before..and it still works with the average Joe Blow on the street. It will pull them to the polls. That really is Trumps challenge....To get his base to come out in full force in the battleground states. That message works in all of those states.

(07-07-2020 06:33 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 05:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 12:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I'd love to hear both yaz explain '16....

ol' boy is trying to explain how pointless both blocs and the msm are spooging in ya 'eye and yammer'...

#wakeTheFkUp

Trump won 2016 in large part because Hillary ran a ridiculously arrogant and poor campaign... focusing on NY and CA... and ignored/abused especially WV, PA, WI and MI.... and he very shrewdly focused on those few key states he needed... and convinced 'just enough' people in each of them to win (almost?) all of them.

The question isn't, is Biden doing worse/running a worse campaign... the question was, what is his strategy... and I don't see his strategy.... unless it is 'electoral fatigue'.

The left's strategy is to gang up against Trump/continue to misrepresent it.... to 'hide' Biden and to play identity politics with his VP choice. I don't know Trump's strategy... and your description of what he's doing is nothing new... and IMO, not what won those key states last time.

Biden's strategy is to let Trump keep running his mouth about walls/confederate monuments sending African-Americans and Hispanics running to Biden. Biden needs to decide between Kamala Harris, Tammy Duckworth, Val Demings, and Susan Rice in the next 14-15 days so they can start prepping for up coming debates.

Biden’s strategy is to to as he is told while his superiors decide on his running mate.

True. Biden has no strategy. The DNC has taken over. They know that the most important thing is winning and all Biden has to do right now is sit back and let Trump be Trump.

I think Trump is punching the wrong target here and has picked the absolute worst hills to die on.

(07-07-2020 08:10 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 06:33 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 05:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 12:41 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 10:56 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I'd love to hear both yaz explain '16....

ol' boy is trying to explain how pointless both blocs and the msm are spooging in ya 'eye and yammer'...

#wakeTheFkUp

Trump won 2016 in large part because Hillary ran a ridiculously arrogant and poor campaign... focusing on NY and CA... and ignored/abused especially WV, PA, WI and MI.... and he very shrewdly focused on those few key states he needed... and convinced 'just enough' people in each of them to win (almost?) all of them.

The question isn't, is Biden doing worse/running a worse campaign... the question was, what is his strategy... and I don't see his strategy.... unless it is 'electoral fatigue'.

The left's strategy is to gang up against Trump/continue to misrepresent it.... to 'hide' Biden and to play identity politics with his VP choice. I don't know Trump's strategy... and your description of what he's doing is nothing new... and IMO, not what won those key states last time.

Biden's strategy is to let Trump keep running his mouth about walls/confederate monuments sending African-Americans and Hispanics running to Biden. Biden needs to decide between Kamala Harris, Tammy Duckworth, Val Demings, and Susan Rice in the next 14-15 days so they can start prepping for up coming debates.

Biden’s strategy is to to as he is told while his superiors decide on his running mate.

True. Biden has no strategy. The DNC has taken over. They know that the most important thing is winning and all Biden has to do right now is sit back and let Trump be Trump.

I think Trump is punching the wrong target here and has picked the absolute worst hills to die on.

I get your point..but..The problem is that Trumps base is emboldened by Trump..being Trump. That is his strength. His brashness, BS artistry and unconventionalism is what got him elected in the first place. Not since Reagan have I seen a more unified conservative base. With Biden having to placate the loony leftists he is opening himself up to an all out assault as a Socialist puppet. The Dems should have found a young moderate Southerner..sound familiar? Biden does nothing to bring in any conservative and few independents if he has to tie himself to Warren and Sanders.