(06-22-2020 09:34 AM)mrbig Wrote: Yes ... and I am sure everyone else here does as well. We aren't idiots.
So far, you're doing a pretty good job of suggesting that you are at least incapable of understanding basic statements from me.
Quote:What is interesting about the specific issues I mentioned is that none of them would have changed any balance of power in the government or policy if they had gone against Trump. If Kavanaugh is rejected ... he is replaced by another conservative nominee. If Trump is impeached ... he is replaced by a conservative VP. The Charlottesville thing was just a lot of ugliness. Yet I think all 3 most frequent libertarian posters here were on Trump's side for all 3 (quite vociferously, may I add). Same thing with CDC funding/NSC global pandemic team discussions during the early covid-19 discussions. It isn't just that you are on the pro-Trump side of the equation for some of these issues ... it is that you are on the pro-Trump side of all of them and quite vociferously and making the same arguments in tone and substance as Fox & Friends (on most of them at least, granted this is just based on clips of Fox & Friends, I don't actually watch).
WRT Kavanaugh, I was "on Trump's side" because I thought the attacks on him were nothing but a dishonest attempt at political lynching. No, I did not believe Ms. Blasey Ford. There were too many instances of apparent lying--too afraid to fly but she flies all over the world, the thing about the two doors--and her appearance in the senate hearing could not possibly have been "compelling" to anyone not already prejudiced to believe her. WRT impeachment, I thought ut was another dishonest attempt at political lynching, with no actual direct first-hand evidence of any misconduct on the part of Donald Trump, and parts of the story have kind of fallen apart sine then. WRT Charlottesville, I have said from the start that what he should have said was not that there were good people on both sides but that there were bad people on both sides. Of course, he pretty much said that in the preceding part of the quote, the part that gets conveniently omitted from most accounts. His mouth runs too much and gets him in trouble. I wish it didn't.
And I find it interesting that you are somehow able to discern that we take our marching orders from Fox & Friends, when as nearly as I can determine, neither you nor any of us happen to watch the show.
Quote:Trump seems to have a lot of hate too. Maybe we found the common demoninator?
There is certainly plenty of hate directed toward Trump from the left. In fact, all I've seen from the left is hatred for Trump. Nobody on the left has given me any reason to vote FOR any of your candidates, except that they're not Trump. I'll admit that giving me a reason to vote for a democrat is a daunting task given the policy positions that you'd have to overcome.
Quote:OK, I can play this game. I disagree with Joe Biden on plenty of issues as well (which is why he was like my 6th or 7th choice out of the dems running), but I don't go around pretending that I'm not pro-Biden in the upcoming election and patting myself on the back about it.
I'm not patting myself on the back. I'm basically pretty despondent about the 2020 election. Whoever wins will be somebody I don't like. I suppose if Jo Jorgensen were somehow wildly, incredibly to win I'd be relatively happy, but even in her case her VP running mate is a nutcase, so I'd be praying for her health every day.
Quote:Again, lots of hate. Lots of the strongest Trump supporters seem to have ... [checks news over last 4 years] ... lots of hate. It is the tie that binds. Also, it feels like you have written this exact thing 5-10 a week for the last 8-9 months I have been around here. I think we all get it. You hate hate hate democrats and liberals and progressives so much more than anything else. Message received.
No, you haven't gotten the message. You keep misstating it, which tells me that you haven't gotten it. So let me state its very clearly one more time.
I firmly believe that the Alinsky socialist/communist "progressive" wing of the democrats is becoming dominant. I also firmly believe that should that group gain power, the results will be disastrous for the USA--economically and militarily, at minimum. So I consider democrat to be the enemy--of me. and of the USA.
I do not favor the republicans. I have pretty much made my preferred policy positions well known, and I don't see republicans embracing them--although not as far away from them as democrats. So right now republicans are no better than the enemy of my enemy. I wish my enemies had better enemies, but right now I have to take the ones I van get.
Quote:Glad you believe he is evil. I eagerly await you siding with the left on a single argument that Trump is just a grotesque human being.
The leftist argument seems to be, "Trump is a grotesque human being. Therefore he did X because that's what grotesque human beings do." If you want me to side with you, you need to say something more like, "Trump did X, Y, and Z, and here is the evidence, and those things make him a grotesque human being." Sorry, but I haven't seen that.
As far as grotesque human beings, how about this? Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden are grotesque human beings, and I don't want to see any of them with any more power. They already have too much, IMO.
Quote:You actually don't, you repeat yourself a lot.
Actually, yes I do, because you don't get it. And you claim not to be an idiot.
The democrat left are my enemies. If you support them, then you are my enemy, too.
You want to fit everyone who disagrees with you into this box, call it Trumpbots, where we take our orders from Fox & Friends and unthinkingly support everything that Donald Trump says or does. You're dead wrong, but it's become pretty obvious that you are incapable of understanding that. I think the problem is that you simply can't believe that any thinking person could be as convinced as we are that your party's approach is dead wrong and will do harm, perhaps irreparably, to this country. Try to understand that where we are coming from is not unbridled support for Donald Trump, but unbridled dislike for everything you stand for.