(06-15-2020 04:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 03:32 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 01:41 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Appalachian State (poor BB) was thrown in to round the number up to ten. They also are a perfect geographical fit with those other nine and bring top football strength to the list.

I am sure the Appy fans appreciate this nod. Sadly, they dropped three sports and furloughed their entire Athletic Department, so somebody will get back to you when they reopen.

Serious? I guess their season ticket sales will be down.

https://businessnc.com/appalachian-state...-staffers/

I should probably note that I like to kid App fans, and will continue to, this but is people's jobs and many have families to support. It is unfortunate that App finds itself in this financial condition and I honestly wish them nothing but success as they work to reverse this.

No thread about this over on the SBC board. It is true of course-- just thought they might have a discussion with more detail on their site.

clt hopes the appys can make thru this.

Looks like reduced hours, which is responsible during the summer months given the circumstances. App still has 17 sports after the 3 that were cut. No one is CUSA or the SBC has more than 18 sports. Again seems responsible compared to peers.

The North Endzone complex is under construction and on schedule to open in September. Everyone is tighten their belt and we all need to get back to revenue generating activities or more cuts across the G5 arena will continue.

https://charlotte49ers.com/news/2020/6/1...coach.aspx

clt says Charlotte hiring staff to maximize performance.

(06-15-2020 10:59 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  This is a project I've been meaning to work on for a while. Look at the SBC, CUSA and maybe even ASUN to take the best football, basketball and baseball hybrid conference. There'd be more weight applied to football & basketball but baseball should get a point.

So look at the KenPom, and ESPN FPI (or whatever else you like) and Baseball RPI and weight them like 3/6 for football, 2/6 for basketball and 1/6 for baseball. Figure out if you want to go over the past 10 seasons, or the past 5 seasons and then go from there.

Baseball is important. It keeps the die-hards involved in the slow season. Tech has been lucky to have been with some strong baseball programs in conference. Fresno State, Rice and Southern Miss have brought some rock solid baseball teams to Ruston over the years.

(06-16-2020 07:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Looks like reduced hours, which is responsible during the summer months given the circumstances. App still has 17 sports after the 3 that were cut. No one is CUSA or the SBC has more than 18 sports. Again seems responsible compared to peers.

The North Endzone complex is under construction and on schedule to open in September. Everyone is tighten their belt and we all need to get back to revenue generating activities or more cuts across the G5 arena will continue.

if only we didn't cancel the stadium expansion due to lack of demand like UNCC, we'd probably be in a little better situation right now. Even some of their employees have taken "voluntary" paycuts.

reduced hours during summer periods is absolutely the right business decision in our current climate. a lot of my customers in the aerospace manufacturing industry are currently doing the same, regardless of cash position.

(06-14-2020 10:10 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  If we are talking basketball then Appy doesn't belong in this thread at all, they have been a mid level team at best and usually in the bottom teir going back to the early 80s when we were in the SoCon together.

At that time from like 1983 to 1996 when Marshall exited the SoCon it was a 4 man race every year. For 12 of those 13 years either ETSU, Davidson, Chattanooga or Marshall won the title, Western Carolina somehow won it our last year in the conference. The only time in that 13 years was Appy even close to competing was in 89-90 where they went 19-11 but that was only good for 3rd place behind Chattanooga and Marshall. Where they went 1-3 against the top 2 teams. Losing both games to Marshall and splitting with Chattanooga.

Appy has only been playing basketball 48 years 72-73 was their 1st season. In that 48 years they have count them 7 20 win seasons.

GA Southren for the most part has been mid level although I will say I think JMU got a good coach. Mark Byington who was at GA Southern was sneaky good with the hand and facility he was given in Statesboro. Also Hanner Feildhouse where GA Southern plays look like a more run down FIU/FAU arena.

Your google skills leave a lot to be desired(insert generic Marsha academic joke here).

App has been playing basketball since the 20s and counts among their ranks one of the originators of the jump shot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belus_Smawley

(06-16-2020 12:14 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 07:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Looks like reduced hours, which is responsible during the summer months given the circumstances. App still has 17 sports after the 3 that were cut. No one is CUSA or the SBC has more than 18 sports. Again seems responsible compared to peers.

The North Endzone complex is under construction and on schedule to open in September. Everyone is tighten their belt and we all need to get back to revenue generating activities or more cuts across the G5 arena will continue.

if only we didn't cancel the stadium expansion due to lack of demand like UNCC, we'd probably be in a little better situation right now. Even some of their employees have taken "voluntary" paycuts.

reduced hours during summer periods is absolutely the right business decision in our current climate. a lot of my customers in the aerospace manufacturing industry are currently doing the same, regardless of cash position.

I am confused. An Appy posted a comment, and you replied to him, but made it about Charlotte's stadium, and App not cancelling stadium expansion, which led to your money woes. What? Who? Is Charlotte the "their employees" in this post? I am not aware of anybody on our staff needing to take cuts. From the 5/26 Charlotte Business Journal, "Charlotte 49ers AD says no sports will be cut as school weighs options for restarting ... So far, Charlotte has avoided layoffs, furloughs or pay cuts". Maybe you are talking about somebody else?

App is definitely in a financial crisis, but I don't think Charlotte had anything to do with it.

App is the only school impacted by Covid I guess.

(06-16-2020 01:38 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  App is the only school impacted by Covid I guess.

Saint, I think your post made sense.

Apple state cut four sports and furloughed the AD and now they have come to the CUSA board. Did ya'll sell yosefs cabin to save the football team or something?

(06-16-2020 01:05 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 12:14 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 07:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Looks like reduced hours, which is responsible during the summer months given the circumstances. App still has 17 sports after the 3 that were cut. No one is CUSA or the SBC has more than 18 sports. Again seems responsible compared to peers.

The North Endzone complex is under construction and on schedule to open in September. Everyone is tighten their belt and we all need to get back to revenue generating activities or more cuts across the G5 arena will continue.

if only we didn't cancel the stadium expansion due to lack of demand like UNCC, we'd probably be in a little better situation right now. Even some of their employees have taken "voluntary" paycuts.

reduced hours during summer periods is absolutely the right business decision in our current climate. a lot of my customers in the aerospace manufacturing industry are currently doing the same, regardless of cash position.

I am confused. An Appy posted a comment, and you replied to him, but made it about Charlotte's stadium, and App not cancelling stadium expansion, which led to your money woes. What? Who? Is Charlotte the "their employees" in this post? I am not aware of anybody on our staff needing to take cuts. From the 5/26 Charlotte Business Journal, "Charlotte 49ers AD says no sports will be cut as school weighs options for restarting ... So far, Charlotte has avoided layoffs, furloughs or pay cuts". Maybe you are talking about somebody else?

App is definitely in a financial crisis, but I don't think Charlotte had anything to do with it.

i'm sorry I confused you Nugget. Let me clarify:

Since $$$ is finite, any $$$ we spend on thing A, can't be spent on thing B.

Therefore, if App had made the same decision as UNCC (not expanding stadium due to low demand), the $$$ we had earmarked could therefore be spent on other activities. I hope that clears that up for you.

As to the "voluntary" paycuts, you absolutely may be right, that was just something a UNCC fan had mentioned on YC.

As to the financial crisis, I'm not sure App is any more or less of a crisis than the average G5. We did for a number of years sponsor more sports than all but a handful of G5 programs. AD DG is tightening the belt and maybe preparing for no fall sports. reducing hours/expenses during the slow summer months is absolutely the right business decision. It didn't stop us from welcoming back football players yesterday, and its not stopping us from putting together a very respectable recruiting class.

Like I said in my industry (Aerospace manufacturing), companies with many billions in cash are going through rolling furloughs due to the interruption in supply chain. Maybe some of our Marshall friends can speak to SMCs multiple rounds of furlough in Huntington. This is the nature of the beast.

(06-16-2020 01:05 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 12:14 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 07:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Looks like reduced hours, which is responsible during the summer months given the circumstances. App still has 17 sports after the 3 that were cut. No one is CUSA or the SBC has more than 18 sports. Again seems responsible compared to peers.

The North Endzone complex is under construction and on schedule to open in September. Everyone is tighten their belt and we all need to get back to revenue generating activities or more cuts across the G5 arena will continue.

if only we didn't cancel the stadium expansion due to lack of demand like UNCC, we'd probably be in a little better situation right now. Even some of their employees have taken "voluntary" paycuts.

reduced hours during summer periods is absolutely the right business decision in our current climate. a lot of my customers in the aerospace manufacturing industry are currently doing the same, regardless of cash position.

I am confused. An Appy posted a comment, and you replied to him, but made it about Charlotte's stadium, and App not cancelling stadium expansion, which led to your money woes. What? Who? Is Charlotte the "their employees" in this post? I am not aware of anybody on our staff needing to take cuts. From the 5/26 Charlotte Business Journal, "Charlotte 49ers AD says no sports will be cut as school weighs options for restarting ... So far, Charlotte has avoided layoffs, furloughs or pay cuts". Maybe you are talking about somebody else?

App is definitely in a financial crisis, but I don't think Charlotte had anything to do with it.

clt says it is Charlotte's fault. we jumped to cusa and left appy in fcs. they felt slighted and joined the lowly sunbelt when they couldn't afford to make the move.

158 seems kinda like an arbitrary number to maximize the SBC-USA difference.

How many of the six basketball seasons since 2014-2015 has CUSA had a higher conference RPI?

The answer is 3. The Sun Belt had a higher one in 2015-2016, 2016-2017, and 2019-2020.

Not that it matters. Both conferences are perennial one-bid leagues.

(06-16-2020 12:19 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  Your google skills leave a lot to be desired(insert generic Marsha academic joke here).

App has been playing basketball since the 20s and counts among their ranks one of the originators of the jump shot:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belus_Smawley

SlAppy academics are the joke. At one time we were with you, Troy, Coastal Carolina and San Jose State. Only 2 grad degrees in Boone and less than stellar colleges all around.

Marshall Forensics Program #1 in the nation
Marshall Journalism Program #6 in the nation
Marshall Physical Therapy #7 in the nation
Marshall Rural Medicine Program #11 in the nation
Marshall Pharmacy Program #12 in the nation

Im sure Im forgetting a few top 15 programs in the nation at Marshall.

There are a few people on this board that regularly speak against sharing a conference with Troy ever again. They would feel the same way about Appy if they knew how low your academic standings are. Appy has 70 degree programs but only 2 doctoral programs, that would be Educational Leadership (Education) and Clinical Psychology (Psychology).

As an athlete at Appy your 1st 2 years its only required to have a 1.8 as a freshman and 1.9 as a Soph to be eligible. As a Junior you are required to have 45% of your required classes complete and a 2.0 and a Senior requires 80% of a degree and a 2.0.

Marshall may not be Harvard, Yale or Rice but at least athletes need a 21 on the ACT or 1175 on the SAT. You also must that 25% of your classes each year until your senior year where to have to finish with 85% of your degree completed all while maintaining a 2.3 for eligibility.

Marshall and Appy haven't been peers academically for the better part of 20 years.

Appys academic profile with Carnegie has changed only 2 times since it started in 1905 from: Baccalaureate Colleges to Master's Colleges & Universities: Medium Programs to Master's Colleges & Universities: Larger Programs. Appy State's academic profile hasn't moved the needle in over 30 years.

And OK 72-73 is when Appy moved up to IA. Still doesn't mean you have any meaningful basketball seasons. Your basketball has been less than mediocre. Appy has more single digit seasons, 11, than 20 win seasons, 7, since moving to DI.

(06-16-2020 06:50 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 12:19 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  Your google skills leave a lot to be desired(insert generic Marsha academic joke here).

App has been playing basketball since the 20s and counts among their ranks one of the originators of the jump shot:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belus_Smawley

SlAppy academics are the joke. At one time we were with you, Troy, Coastal Carolina and San Jose State. Only 2 grad degrees in Boone and less than stellar colleges all around.

Marshall Forensics Program #1 in the nation
Marshall Journalism Program #6 in the nation
Marshall Physical Therapy #7 in the nation
Marshall Rural Medicine Program #11 in the nation
Marshall Pharmacy Program #12 in the nation

Im sure Im forgetting a few top 15 programs in the nation at Marshall.

There are a few people on this board that regularly speak against sharing a conference with Troy ever again. They would feel the same way about Appy if they knew how low your academic standings are. Appy has 70 degree programs but only 2 doctoral programs, that would be Educational Leadership (Education) and Clinical Psychology (Psychology).

As an athlete at Appy your 1st 2 years its only required to have a 1.8 as a freshman and 1.9 as a Soph to be eligible. As a Junior you are required to have 45% of your required classes complete and a 2.0 and a Senior requires 80% of a degree and a 2.0.

Marshall may not be Harvard, Yale or Rice but at least athletes need a 21 on the ACT or 1175 on the SAT. You also must that 25% of your classes each year until your senior year where to have to finish with 85% of your degree completed all while maintaining a 2.3 for eligibility.

Marshall and Appy haven't been peers academically for the better part of 20 years.

Appys academic profile with Carnegie has changed only 2 times since it started in 1905 from: Baccalaureate Colleges to Master's Colleges & Universities: Medium Programs to Master's Colleges & Universities: Larger Programs. Appy State's academic profile hasn't moved the needle in over 30 years.

And OK 72-73 is when Appy moved up to IA. Still doesn't mean you have any meaningful basketball seasons. Your basketball has been less than mediocre. Appy has more single digit seasons, 11, than 20 win seasons, 7, since moving to DI.

wow Marsha being Marsha. Do you do your Marsha academic research the same place you did your App basketball research (IE in your head)?

Literally nothing you said is accurate.

I'm not going to look into all your programs you listed, but US News world and Report has Marshall Pharmacy as (tied) for 79th, alongside fellow heavyweights ULM, Shenendoah and Midwestern University.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-sch...y-rankings

according to college simply, Marshall trails app in the following categories:

Admission rate: 90% Marsha 69% App
SAT Range 25-75 910-1130 for Marsha, 1100-1270 for App
ACT Range 25-75 19-25 for Marsha, 23-28 For App
6 year graduation rate: 44% Marsha, 65% App

absolutely hilarious you tried to rip on academic requirements for athletes considering Marshall's sordid history with non/partial qualifiers (and were completely wrong in doing so- LOL 1175 requirement for SAT, thats more than 75% of people admitted to marshall, probably around the 90th percentile).

You were totally right about not being academic peers though.

EigenEagle, the number 158 is a little less than half (44%) of the total teams is Division I. I figured you needed to be in the top half for consideration. This was a rating of individual schools in both leagues. Trying to pick the top RPI teams over the last six years. Overall conference RPI did not matter if trying to choose the best group from both. Not a perfect measure-- just one fairly good way to rate a strong basketball group. The goal was not to maximize or point out the SBC/ C-USA difference. The goal was to choose the best individual teams consistent over the past six years. Why six years? Just my opinion-- ten years was too long and 2-3 was too short.

It is interesting if you compare the good study of Auburn Blazer (see Data driven... thread) and my "less scientific" thread here.

WHO is on BOTH lists?

They are almost identical. Each of us had no idea the other would do these related threads.

Teams on BOTH lists (no particular order)


LA TECH
Louisiana
MARSHALL
MT
WKU
UAB
Appalachian St.
Ga Southern
ODU


If you consider geography and basketball Ga St. would be difficult to leave off. Ranked #5 on the "data list" is Southern MISS-- also must be included for football tradition, name recognition, and geography. Use your own opinion for a twelfth team. Arkansas St. ? Charlotte?(geography).

One thing for sure. A league like this would be stronger than either the C-USA or SBC.

clt says appy is borat's neighbor.