Quote:The mother of Trayvon Martin said she's doesn't support efforts to reduce law enforcement resources as calls to divert funding from police departments toward social service and youth programs continue to gain traction with elected officials.

“I think we need more police,” Sybrina Fulton said, according to the Daily Caller. “We need police with better standards, and police with better ethics and better work habits.”

Fulton announced Monday that she is running for Miami Dade County Commissioner District 1 where she will face Miami Gardens Mayor Oliver Gilbert.

“I want residents to feel safe,” she told the Guardian. “I want to bridge the gap between the law enforcement and the community.”

Calls to defund police departments have increased in the wake of George Floyd's death in police custody. Several cities have committed to shifting resources from law enforcement elsewhere.

Los Angeles officials recently introduced a bill to decrease its police force budget by $150 million and spend the money on other programs.

Fulton's platform includes affordable housing, transportation and economic opportunity, according to her campaign website. She has endorsements from Hillary Clinton and Democratic New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, the Washington Examiner reported.

Her son, Trayvon, was killed in 2012 during a physical confrontation with George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer. The shooting death ignited nationwide protests and scrutiny over Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, which permits someone to use deadly force if they have reason to feel threatened during a confrontation.

Zimmerman was acquitted in a high-profile case, which helped spark the Black Lives Matter movement.

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I’m in support of better policing. That could be more, less, or the same amount, I don’t care.

I talk to deputies every day, most are average joes. Even the ones are skirt the law that I know (except for a pretty highly publicized few) wouldn’t HURT someone unnecessarily. I spoke to one who has been pretty frustrated with the department because “man, they send us out to sh*t we aren’t even close to trained for.” I’ve talked to deputies who started in the 60s and their former sheriff who started in the 50s, who told me that his first Sheriff started in the 30s. Policing, besides technology and what they’re looking for, has not really changed since those early days and the systems in which they operate have not prepared them to change.

Zimmerman had absolutely zero to do with stand your ground. It was a simple self-defense claim.

Media keeps repeating lies.

(06-14-2020 06:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I’m in support of better policing. That could be more, less, or the same amount, I don’t care.

I talk to deputies every day, most are average joes. Even the ones are skirt the law that I know (except for a pretty highly publicized few) wouldn’t HURT someone unnecessarily. I spoke to one who has been pretty frustrated with the department because “man, they send us out to sh*t we aren’t even close to trained for.” I’ve talked to deputies who started in the 60s and their former sheriff who started in the 50s, who told me that his first Sheriff started in the 30s. Policing, besides technology and what they’re looking for, has not really changed since those early days and the systems in which they operate have not prepared them to change.

Step one is what you mentioned; having a personal connection to those on the force. The next step I think is that we need to clean up many of the laws on the books that we have police respond to, especially drug related ones. Honestly, outside Of violent criminals, how much of what the police do require hot pursuit?

(06-14-2020 06:50 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 06:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I’m in support of better policing. That could be more, less, or the same amount, I don’t care.

I talk to deputies every day, most are average joes. Even the ones are skirt the law that I know (except for a pretty highly publicized few) wouldn’t HURT someone unnecessarily. I spoke to one who has been pretty frustrated with the department because “man, they send us out to sh*t we aren’t even close to trained for.” I’ve talked to deputies who started in the 60s and their former sheriff who started in the 50s, who told me that his first Sheriff started in the 30s. Policing, besides technology and what they’re looking for, has not really changed since those early days and the systems in which they operate have not prepared them to change.

Step one is what you mentioned; having a personal connection to those on the force. The next step I think is that we need to clean up many of the laws on the books that we have police respond to, especially drug related ones. Honestly, outside Of violent criminals, how much of what the police do require hot pursuit?

Drugs are the big one. I feel like if any department is going to corruption in 2020, it’s going to be from the drug guys. You never see this stuff from the guys who just serve papers.

We were just spitballing ideas one day and somebody came up with having a deputized social worker, who can go to things that deputies aren’t really trained in (domestics, child abuse, drug use, etc). A couple thought it sounded like a bad idea because they’d have an awful lot to respond to. That’s how you know you might need them.

(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Drugs are the big one. I feel like if any department is going to corruption in 2020, it’s going to be from the drug guys. You never see this stuff from the guys who just serve papers.

We were just spitballing ideas one day and somebody came up with having a deputized social worker, who can go to things that deputies aren’t really trained in (domestics, child abuse, drug use, etc). A couple thought it sounded like a bad idea because they’d have an awful lot to respond to. That’s how you know you might need them.

It’s amazing how many more crime law we added after Rodney King. Many of the incidents that have people pissed off are in conjunction with police upholding these rules.

The social worker thing sounds like a disaster in the making as most of those incidents having the potential to go sideways from the word go. Maybe they can be on standby until after vetting by police.

(06-14-2020 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  Zimmerman had absolutely zero to do with stand your ground. It was a simple self-defense claim.

Media keeps repeating lies.

Zimmerman tried to be a wannabe police officer who tried to hold Martin illegally. A lot of police officers that were not in leadership, came out and said Zimmerman violated Martin's rights. If Zimmerman's father was not a Democratic Judge? Zimmerman would be in prison facing life in prison.

Since Martin's case have nothing to do with police, Trayvon's mother have no ill will with them since many of them not in leadership lend her and her ex-husband support.

(06-14-2020 06:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I’m in support of better policing. That could be more, less, or the same amount, I don’t care.

I talk to deputies every day, most are average joes. Even the ones are skirt the law that I know (except for a pretty highly publicized few) wouldn’t HURT someone unnecessarily. I spoke to one who has been pretty frustrated with the department because “man, they send us out to sh*t we aren’t even close to trained for.” I’ve talked to deputies who started in the 60s and their former sheriff who started in the 50s, who told me that his first Sheriff started in the 30s. Policing, besides technology and what they’re looking for, has not really changed since those early days and the systems in which they operate have not prepared them to change.

I agree and I feel we need to stop arresting people for some things and simply give them a citation and a fine. A redefining of offenses in which this could be done is in order. For example...Selling loose cigarettes should not necessitate an arrest that leads to jail and for sure tackling that person to the ground and choking them out is unnecessary. Just give them $100 fine and be done with it. Often the fear of going to jail makes people do stupid schit and leads to escalation.

(06-14-2020 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  Zimmerman had absolutely zero to do with stand your ground. It was a simple self-defense claim.

Media keeps repeating lies.

True, but Zimmerman's pursuit of Martin led to an altercation IMO. The ensuing but whopping is what led to a gun being drawn.

(06-14-2020 07:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 06:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I’m in support of better policing. That could be more, less, or the same amount, I don’t care.

I talk to deputies every day, most are average joes. Even the ones are skirt the law that I know (except for a pretty highly publicized few) wouldn’t HURT someone unnecessarily. I spoke to one who has been pretty frustrated with the department because “man, they send us out to sh*t we aren’t even close to trained for.” I’ve talked to deputies who started in the 60s and their former sheriff who started in the 50s, who told me that his first Sheriff started in the 30s. Policing, besides technology and what they’re looking for, has not really changed since those early days and the systems in which they operate have not prepared them to change.

I agree and I feel we need to stop arresting people for some things and simply give them a citation and a fine. A redefining of offenses in which this could be done is in order. For example...Selling loose cigarettes should not necessitate an arrest that leads to jail and for sure tackling that person to the ground and choking them out is unnecessary. Just give them $100 fine and be done with it. Often the fear of going to jail makes people do stupid schit and leads to escalation.

This. The police have them on camera and the plates are run. They will catch up to this individual again on some other violation. That said, laws like loose cig sales need to be erased from the books.

(06-14-2020 07:28 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  Zimmerman had absolutely zero to do with stand your ground. It was a simple self-defense claim.

Media keeps repeating lies.

True, but Zimmerman's pursuit of Martin led to an altercation IMO. The ensuing but whopping is what led to a gun being drawn.

I have no use for Zimmerman. I believe he used self defense..but..it should never have gotten to that point. I hold Zman responsible for a lot of this.

(06-14-2020 07:28 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  Zimmerman had absolutely zero to do with stand your ground. It was a simple self-defense claim.

Media keeps repeating lies.

True, but Zimmerman's pursuit of Martin led to an altercation IMO. The ensuing but whopping is what led to a gun being drawn.

Then your opinion is not based on facts..

Martin made it home was home for well over 5 minutes then told the girl he was talking to. "he was going to get that cracker". The idiot Zimmerman was walking back to his truck when he was attacked. The using a concert slab as a weapon was the reason the gun was drawn. Its the reason the jury came back not guilty, because using the sidewalk to bash someones head can be just as deadly as a gun or knife

Guess your opinion was based off the media reports?

(06-14-2020 07:31 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 07:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 06:43 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I’m in support of better policing. That could be more, less, or the same amount, I don’t care.

I talk to deputies every day, most are average joes. Even the ones are skirt the law that I know (except for a pretty highly publicized few) wouldn’t HURT someone unnecessarily. I spoke to one who has been pretty frustrated with the department because “man, they send us out to sh*t we aren’t even close to trained for.” I’ve talked to deputies who started in the 60s and their former sheriff who started in the 50s, who told me that his first Sheriff started in the 30s. Policing, besides technology and what they’re looking for, has not really changed since those early days and the systems in which they operate have not prepared them to change.

I agree and I feel we need to stop arresting people for some things and simply give them a citation and a fine. A redefining of offenses in which this could be done is in order. For example...Selling loose cigarettes should not necessitate an arrest that leads to jail and for sure tackling that person to the ground and choking them out is unnecessary. Just give them $100 fine and be done with it. Often the fear of going to jail makes people do stupid schit and leads to escalation.

This. The police have them on camera and the plates are run. They will catch up to this individual again on some other violation. That said, laws like loose cig sales need to be erased from the books.

You know who order the arrest of these loose cig laws? The mayor himself. Now, we have the black community hating the police because DeBlasio when he ordered these arrests. Eric Garner's family and that police officer could filed a joint lawsuit to sue that mayor for ruining both lives.

(06-14-2020 07:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 07:28 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  Zimmerman had absolutely zero to do with stand your ground. It was a simple self-defense claim.

Media keeps repeating lies.

True, but Zimmerman's pursuit of Martin led to an altercation IMO. The ensuing but whopping is what led to a gun being drawn.

Then your opinion is not based on facts..

Martin made it home was home for well over 5 minutes then told the girl he was talking to. "he was going to get that cracker". The idiot Zimmerman was walking back to his truck when he was attacked. The using a concert slab as a weapon was the reason the gun was drawn. Its the reason the jury came back not guilty, because using the sidewalk to bash someones head can be just as deadly as a gun or knife

Guess your opinion was based off the media reports?

I Wasn’t as detailed as you timeline wise, but I never said that Zimmerman actions weren’t justified.

(06-14-2020 07:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  Zimmerman had absolutely zero to do with stand your ground. It was a simple self-defense claim.

Media keeps repeating lies.

Zimmerman tried to be a wannabe police officer who tried to hold Martin illegally.

No he didn't. Stop making **** up.

(06-14-2020 07:13 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Drugs are the big one. I feel like if any department is going to corruption in 2020, it’s going to be from the drug guys. You never see this stuff from the guys who just serve papers.

We were just spitballing ideas one day and somebody came up with having a deputized social worker, who can go to things that deputies aren’t really trained in (domestics, child abuse, drug use, etc). A couple thought it sounded like a bad idea because they’d have an awful lot to respond to. That’s how you know you might need them.

It’s amazing how many more crime law we added after Rodney King. Many of the incidents that have people pissed off are in conjunction with police upholding these rules.

The social worker thing sounds like a disaster in the making as most of those incidents having the potential to go sideways from the word go. Maybe they can be on standby until after vetting by police.

To be fair, he did say “deputized” I’m hoping he meant a deputy with a MSW or other qualification.

Every law that demands a cop to arrest someone is not something they make up on the spot. They were written by the state legislators then voted on and signed by the governor.

So what happens when the cop doesnt do his duty to arrest someone that legally should be arrested but lets them go just because they know his name and he left his car at the scene and that person gets in a car a few minutes later and kills someone? Or he robs someone? Or he beats someone?

What makes anyone think that the same thing would happen the next time they meet up to arrest him? Maybe they find him at home and this time he has a gun. The time to take this person into custody is when you already searched them and have them out of the car or home.

If they want to resist, its on them. Just a guess on my part but I would say 9 out of 10 cops would write that ticket to appear, if they had that choice. If it cause for you to be taken in then they have a job to do.

As for using social workers on domestic cases then you are just doubling up because 9 out of 10 not going to listen to someone who's not a cop. So the cop will still be needed.

Stop writing so many damn laws is a start and redo a lot that is already on the books....

not going to happen because the state, city, county, all have contracts that depend on those large jails and even the private ones. Being full 100% of the time

(06-14-2020 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Every law that demands a cop to arrest someone is not something they make up on the spot. They were written by the state legislators then voted on and signed by the governor.

So what happens when the cop doesnt do his duty to arrest someone that legally should be arrested but lets them go just because they know his name and he left his car at the scene and that person gets in a car a few minutes later and kills someone? Or he robs someone? Or he beats someone?

What makes anyone think that the same thing would happen the next time they meet up to arrest him? Maybe they find him at home and this time he has a gun. The time to take this person into custody is when you already searched them and have them out of the car or home.

If they want to resist, its on them. Just a guess on my part but I would say 9 out of 10 cops would write that ticket to appear, if they had that choice. If it cause for you to be taken in then they have a job to do.

As for using social workers on domestic cases then you are just doubling up because 9 out of 10 not going to listen to someone who's not a cop. So the cop will still be needed.

Stop writing so many damn laws is a start and redo a lot that is already on the books....

not going to happen because the state, city, county, all have contracts that depend on those large jails and even the private ones. Being full 100% of the time

agreed. And clearly the bolded has got to happen. No one wants to lose the republic over this BS.

(06-14-2020 08:47 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 07:13 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-14-2020 07:06 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Drugs are the big one. I feel like if any department is going to corruption in 2020, it’s going to be from the drug guys. You never see this stuff from the guys who just serve papers.

We were just spitballing ideas one day and somebody came up with having a deputized social worker, who can go to things that deputies aren’t really trained in (domestics, child abuse, drug use, etc). A couple thought it sounded like a bad idea because they’d have an awful lot to respond to. That’s how you know you might need them.

It’s amazing how many more crime law we added after Rodney King. Many of the incidents that have people pissed off are in conjunction with police upholding these rules.

The social worker thing sounds like a disaster in the making as most of those incidents having the potential to go sideways from the word go. Maybe they can be on standby until after vetting by police.

To be fair, he did say “deputized” I’m hoping he meant a deputy with a MSW or other qualification.

Got it

(06-14-2020 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Every law that demands a cop to arrest someone is not something they make up on the spot. They were written by the state legislators then voted on and signed by the governor.

So what happens when the cop doesnt do his duty to arrest someone that legally should be arrested but lets them go just because they know his name and he left his car at the scene and that person gets in a car a few minutes later and kills someone? Or he robs someone? Or he beats someone?

What makes anyone think that the same thing would happen the next time they meet up to arrest him? Maybe they find him at home and this time he has a gun. The time to take this person into custody is when you already searched them and have them out of the car or home.

If they want to resist, its on them. Just a guess on my part but I would say 9 out of 10 cops would write that ticket to appear, if they had that choice. If it cause for you to be taken in then they have a job to do.

As for using social workers on domestic cases then you are just doubling up because 9 out of 10 not going to listen to someone who's not a cop. So the cop will still be needed.

Stop writing so many damn laws is a start and redo a lot that is already on the books....

not going to happen because the state, city, county, all have contracts that depend on those large jails and even the private ones. Being full 100% of the time

The jail problem is big too. We’re building a $100MM+ jail. 400-ish beds. The current jail is 85 bed and averages 60% capacity. The old sheriff made it no secret that it’s about housing inmates from other counties and making money that way.

It’s gonna start a pretty dangerous system.