(06-11-2020 07:33 AM)gdunn Wrote:  So wait.. We must defund the police to rebuild the communities destroyed by riots that you refused to let the police do their job in.

Makes sense.

Another fine example of liberal logic. They have to be some of the most idiotic people on the planet

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Michigan is facing a $3.2 billion shortfall in its current budget and a $3 billion estimated hole for next year with no proposal from Whitmer on how to fill the void except to get a coronavirus subsidy from a divided Congress and the Trump White House. Republican legislative leaders have argued state government needs to make cuts to balance the budget, meaning there is little likelihood of any shift toward more social spending in the near future.[/u][/u]

Bwahahahaha like anybody actually cares about balancing the budget.

(06-11-2020 11:08 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 11:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 11:02 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 11:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 10:54 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Looking more and more like Trump will slide into a second term with relative ease. The Dem's base is split and all the pols are "telling" the Radicals they'll give them whatever they want to shut them up and alienating their moderates who aren't quite ready to overthrow these United States and rebuild it from scratch as a communist utopia.

By what metric? His approval rating is in the shitter and he's losing in every poll...and basically tied in the state of Texas. No, he's not going to lose Texas, but at this point, it's certainly not in the bank.

2016, how did those polls work for you? Never learn.

Yes, we get that. but you said it's looking more and more like he will win with ease. I assume you have something to base that on other than feels.

For me it would be his opponent, current actions nation wide of democrats, and a profound hope this country hasn't completely gone insane.

That's fair. Although I wasn't specifically asking you. But yes, Biden will have to be able to pull it together enough to not come off as forgetful, etc. But until he does on the national scene, trump is certainly not anywhere near an "easy" reelection.

I hope Trump wins, not because I like Trump, but because I intensely dislike everything about the current democrat platform and agenda. Perhaps Biden, or whoever he picks as VP to replace him when he gets 25th Amendemented, will be unable to implement that platform and agenda, as Obama was. But sooner or later somebody will, and I just don't like our chances.

Republicans piss me off too, because they are simply not mounting an offensive against the Alinsky socialist/communist "progressives." I'm counting on republicans to defend me against those bastards, and republicans aren't doing it.

(06-11-2020 09:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  She is such an idiot.

I think this bears repeating

(06-12-2020 08:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I hope Trump wins, not because I like Trump, but because I intensely dislike everything about the current democrat platform and agenda. Perhaps Biden, or whoever he picks as VP to replace him when he gets 25th Amendemented, will be unable to implement that platform and agenda, as Obama was. But sooner or later somebody will, and I just don't like our chances.

Republicans piss me off too, because they are simply not mounting an offensive against the Alinsky socialist/communist "progressives." I'm counting on republicans to defend me against those bastards, and republicans aren't doing it.

Also prepare yourself...if Biden wins, he could also have total control with a D majority in both the Senate and the House.

(06-12-2020 09:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 08:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I hope Trump wins, not because I like Trump, but because I intensely dislike everything about the current democrat platform and agenda. Perhaps Biden, or whoever he picks as VP to replace him when he gets 25th Amendemented, will be unable to implement that platform and agenda, as Obama was. But sooner or later somebody will, and I just don't like our chances.

Republicans piss me off too, because they are simply not mounting an offensive against the Alinsky socialist/communist "progressives." I'm counting on republicans to defend me against those bastards, and republicans aren't doing it.

Also prepare yourself...if Biden wins, he could also have total control with a D majority in both the Senate and the House.

If Biden wins then the Dems will have both houses. That just makes sense because a Dem "wave" will be needed. I doubt Biden wins an election where 1 house stays in Rep hands.

If Biden wins, I'll probably start prepping to move into the mountains, because this country will have truly lost it's way.

(06-12-2020 09:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 08:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I hope Trump wins, not because I like Trump, but because I intensely dislike everything about the current democrat platform and agenda. Perhaps Biden, or whoever he picks as VP to replace him when he gets 25th Amendemented, will be unable to implement that platform and agenda, as Obama was. But sooner or later somebody will, and I just don't like our chances.
Republicans piss me off too, because they are simply not mounting an offensive against the Alinsky socialist/communist "progressives." I'm counting on republicans to defend me against those bastards, and republicans aren't doing it.

Also prepare yourself...if Biden wins, he could also have total control with a D majority in both the Senate and the House.

Oh, I agree. He won't have total control, because it is unlikely that democrats with turn enough seats in the senate to get to 60. But I would expect Schumer to push a rule change to eliminate the filibuster altogether.

All I ask is that they leave a country worth living in. I hope that's not too much to ask, but every time a democrat opens his/her mouth, that possibility seems less likely.

I have seen the democrat vision, and it is a country that I want no part of.

(06-12-2020 10:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 09:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 08:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I hope Trump wins, not because I like Trump, but because I intensely dislike everything about the current democrat platform and agenda. Perhaps Biden, or whoever he picks as VP to replace him when he gets 25th Amendemented, will be unable to implement that platform and agenda, as Obama was. But sooner or later somebody will, and I just don't like our chances.
Republicans piss me off too, because they are simply not mounting an offensive against the Alinsky socialist/communist "progressives." I'm counting on republicans to defend me against those bastards, and republicans aren't doing it.

Also prepare yourself...if Biden wins, he could also have total control with a D majority in both the Senate and the House.

Oh, I agree. He won't have total control, because it is unlikely that democrats with turn enough seats in the senate to get to 60. But I would expect Schumer to push a rule change to eliminate the filibuster altogether.

All I ask is that they leave a country worth living in. I hope that's not too much to ask, but every time a democrat opens his/her mouth, that possibility seems less likely.

I have seen the democrat vision, and it is a country that I want no part of.

I wouldn't get too worried. They always find a way to muck it up in the end.

(06-12-2020 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 10:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 09:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 08:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I hope Trump wins, not because I like Trump, but because I intensely dislike everything about the current democrat platform and agenda. Perhaps Biden, or whoever he picks as VP to replace him when he gets 25th Amendemented, will be unable to implement that platform and agenda, as Obama was. But sooner or later somebody will, and I just don't like our chances.
Republicans piss me off too, because they are simply not mounting an offensive against the Alinsky socialist/communist "progressives." I'm counting on republicans to defend me against those bastards, and republicans aren't doing it.

Also prepare yourself...if Biden wins, he could also have total control with a D majority in both the Senate and the House.

Oh, I agree. He won't have total control, because it is unlikely that democrats with turn enough seats in the senate to get to 60. But I would expect Schumer to push a rule change to eliminate the filibuster altogether.
All I ask is that they leave a country worth living in. I hope that's not too much to ask, but every time a democrat opens his/her mouth, that possibility seems less likely.
I have seen the democrat vision, and it is a country that I want no part of.

I wouldn't get too worried. They always find a way to muck it up in the end.

I pray every night that if they get the chance, they will blow it again.

Actually, given what both parties want, I am praying for gridlock.

(06-11-2020 11:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 10:54 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Looking more and more like Trump will slide into a second term with relative ease. The Dem's base is split and all the pols are "telling" the Radicals they'll give them whatever they want to shut them up and alienating their moderates who aren't quite ready to overthrow these United States and rebuild it from scratch as a communist utopia.

By what metric? His approval rating is in the shitter and he's losing in every poll...and basically tied in the state of Texas. No, he's not going to lose Texas, but at this point, it's certainly not in the bank.

C'mon Tom, didn't you learn in the first Trump election that polls are useless? One of those recent polls (can't remember which one) only sampled 25% R. I'm sure it's accurate though.

(06-11-2020 10:07 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 09:46 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 09:25 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 07:55 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  If they defund the police, then rebuild those buildings, the buildings will be empty because no sane business owner will open up in a lawless community.

Just a tad hyperbolic don't you think? Most of these things they're throwing about don't equate to having no police, and certainly not a community without laws.

Yes and no Tom. Defund the Police is a bit Hyperbolic too. It really means disarm the police, by taking away all the "stuff" they need to effectively do their job. Guns, batons, shields, mace, body protection etc....

So let me ask you a simple question.... if you are charged with protecting the citizens and businesses but you are basically given a uniform and maybe a pair of gloves and decent footwear, how are you going to defend and protect against people who know that and will arm themselves against you? Who in their right f-kin mind will sign up for that job - that is a death sentence? They will be stripped of everything they need to defend themselves, and they will be sitting ducks waiting to be slaughtered by the gangs and thugs who will just take what they want.

Maybe "Lawless" is not the correct word; there will be laws. But they will be street laws and regular citizens like myself (and I assume you are) will be in direct and immediate danger under those "laws".

What "defund the police" actually means to the non-anarchists out there is just redefining what roles/tasks that we ask police officers to handle. By cutting the budgets of most social services to the bone while consistently increasing police budgets we've shifted more and more responsibilities onto the plates of the police that they are not trained to do. Police aren't trained with how to handle issues of homelessness, mental illness, drug addiction, etc. Police aren't social workers/councilors. No that doesn't mean send a social worker to an active armed robbery, but it does mean have the programs in place where you aren't asking heavily armed and under-trained police officers to handle situations that were never designed to be handled by the police.

How many bloody programs to you need for homelessness, mental illness, and drug addiction? They are out there. You just can't force a person to properly utilize them. At some point it's up to the individual.

Oh stop, there's no room for truth anymore.

(06-12-2020 09:03 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 11:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 10:54 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Looking more and more like Trump will slide into a second term with relative ease. The Dem's base is split and all the pols are "telling" the Radicals they'll give them whatever they want to shut them up and alienating their moderates who aren't quite ready to overthrow these United States and rebuild it from scratch as a communist utopia.

By what metric? His approval rating is in the shitter and he's losing in every poll...and basically tied in the state of Texas. No, he's not going to lose Texas, but at this point, it's certainly not in the bank.

C'mon Tom, didn't you learn in the first Trump election that polls are useless? One of those recent polls (can't remember which one) only sampled 25% R. I'm sure it's accurate though.

That's why I asked by what metric. Other than polls, we really don't have much. And while not reliable of course, there's clearly no current polls showing trump anywhere near the MOE to make anyone confident he'll win easily at this point. But it's also only June.

BTW, it was the CNN poll that only polled 25%R. That's not a news organization, it's a propaganda outfit for the DNC.

Well, looks like Whitmer may face a recall election. According to the Detroit Free Press;

Quote: The Board of State Canvassers approved petition language Monday for a long-shot effort to recall Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.

The recall effort is headed by Chad Baase, an Albion businessman who opposes Whitmer’s emergency orders related to the coronavirus pandemic.

Baase, 39, cited Whitmer’s March 10 emergency declaration and about a dozen of her subsequent emergency orders as reasons for seeking the recall.

Baase told the Free Press the main reason he wants to recall Whitmer is that she put large numbers of Michiganders out of work without making sure the Unemployment Insurance Agency, which has experienced major online and telephone problems, was equipped to handle the load.

Recall Whitmer signs are sprouting up around here. She may cost Biden MI all by herself. She is such a dumb ass.

(06-13-2020 05:36 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Recall Whitmer signs are sprouting up around here. She may cost Biden MI all by herself. She is such a dumb ass.

You're dreaming. She's in no way getting recalled. And the only person who could cost Biden Michigan is Biden himself.