(06-02-2020 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:06 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 09:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I call your attention to my question that you and the rest of the libs have studiously ignored: Why do left wing protests so often end in violence and right wing protests so rarely do?

I guess none of the lefties want to touch this with a ten foot pole. It seems to be a normal response for the lefties that it is OK to ignore questions if the answer would put the left in a bad light.

I imagine the police response to left-wing versus right-wing protesters plays a part here. Maybe left-wing protests bring out younger protestors (still under-developed impulse control) than right-wing protests. Kind of like the behavior that you see (arson, overturned vehicles, smashed windows, etc.) after big sporting event wins/losses.

Yes, I remember well all the vandalism and arson we did after beating LSU. Completely trashed the RMC and the Village. Boy did we show the world!!!

But, seriously, thanks for making the effort.

True, I think left wing riots tend to focus on younger people, but they also seem to feel entitled to vandalize and burn, since it is in a "good" cause.

Right wing protests, despite (or maybe because of) people carrying guns, tend to be peaceful, unless they are attacked by left-winger counter protesters.

I'm trying to think of "right wing protests". I don't have time to google it this morning. I'm sure they are out there but the majority that I can immediately recall are the tea party ones. I think the numbers were much smaller and were primarily comprised of old people? The confederate statue protests got violent - perhaps largely to due counter-protesters.

What are some of the larger right wing protests recently?

IMO this was a major low point of this administration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/po...quare.html

Unbelievably bad idea to use these methods to clear out peaceful protesters without warning and without giving the security team in that park much of a heads-up.

How is the right-wing contingent feeling about the Trump team's decision to make this photo-op happen?

(06-03-2020 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:06 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 09:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I call your attention to my question that you and the rest of the libs have studiously ignored: Why do left wing protests so often end in violence and right wing protests so rarely do?

I guess none of the lefties want to touch this with a ten foot pole. It seems to be a normal response for the lefties that it is OK to ignore questions if the answer would put the left in a bad light.

I imagine the police response to left-wing versus right-wing protesters plays a part here. Maybe left-wing protests bring out younger protestors (still under-developed impulse control) than right-wing protests. Kind of like the behavior that you see (arson, overturned vehicles, smashed windows, etc.) after big sporting event wins/losses.

Yes, I remember well all the vandalism and arson we did after beating LSU. Completely trashed the RMC and the Village. Boy did we show the world!!!

But, seriously, thanks for making the effort.

True, I think left wing riots tend to focus on younger people, but they also seem to feel entitled to vandalize and burn, since it is in a "good" cause.

Right wing protests, despite (or maybe because of) people carrying guns, tend to be peaceful, unless they are attacked by left-winger counter protesters.

I'm trying to think of "right wing protests". I don't have time to google it this morning. I'm sure they are out there but the majority that I can immediately recall are the tea party ones. I think the numbers were much smaller and were primarily comprised of old people? The confederate statue protests got violent - perhaps largely to due counter-protesters.

What are some of the larger right wing protests recently?

Recently? I think lately there has been little for the right wing to protest. Taxes were lower, regulations fewer, economy booming...I certainly found little to protest about. I, like you, was thinking primarily of the Tea Party protests and the Tea Party march on Washington.

My impression was that they were primarily composed of adults - people from 20-90, not people from 70-90.

But here are some links with pictures. See for yourself. I see a baby in one - I assume his parents are not in their 80's.

wiki

Taxpayer march

I think your guesses are built off a stereotype of conservatives.


Charlotteville was peaceful until they were attacked by Antifa.

Left wing protests can erupt in violence and vandalism without a counter protest. My opinion is that this results from a feeling on the part of the left wing protesters that they form some sort of moral high ground that makes violence OK since they are fighting for a better world. Kind of the 21st century equivalent of 11th century Crusaders. Or the 1938 Nazis. Or the Bolshevik Revolution.

(06-03-2020 09:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:06 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I guess none of the lefties want to touch this with a ten foot pole. It seems to be a normal response for the lefties that it is OK to ignore questions if the answer would put the left in a bad light.

I imagine the police response to left-wing versus right-wing protesters plays a part here. Maybe left-wing protests bring out younger protestors (still under-developed impulse control) than right-wing protests. Kind of like the behavior that you see (arson, overturned vehicles, smashed windows, etc.) after big sporting event wins/losses.

Yes, I remember well all the vandalism and arson we did after beating LSU. Completely trashed the RMC and the Village. Boy did we show the world!!!

But, seriously, thanks for making the effort.

True, I think left wing riots tend to focus on younger people, but they also seem to feel entitled to vandalize and burn, since it is in a "good" cause.

Right wing protests, despite (or maybe because of) people carrying guns, tend to be peaceful, unless they are attacked by left-winger counter protesters.

I'm trying to think of "right wing protests". I don't have time to google it this morning. I'm sure they are out there but the majority that I can immediately recall are the tea party ones. I think the numbers were much smaller and were primarily comprised of old people? The confederate statue protests got violent - perhaps largely to due counter-protesters.

What are some of the larger right wing protests recently?

Lately? I think lately there has been little for the right wing to protest. I too was thinking primarily of the Tea Party protests and the Tea party march on Washington.

My impression was that they were primarily composed of adults - people from 20-90, not people from 70-90.

But here are some links with pictures. See for yourself.

wiki

Taxpayer march


Charlotteville was peaceful until they were attacked by Antifa.

It probably depends on the point of the protest.

Protesting police violence when you have the police officers there to control the situation is certainly a recipe for getting out of hand.

Protesting taxes? Probably not a powderkeg.

In terms of left-wing protests, I don't think protests against gun violence or the Women's march were violent.

(06-03-2020 09:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  IMO this was a major low point of this administration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/po...quare.html

Unbelievably bad idea to use these methods to clear out peaceful protesters without warning and without giving the security team in that park much of a heads-up.

How is the right-wing contingent feeling about the Trump team's decision to make this photo-op happen?

Funny, I saw reports from the media subsequent that at least three notices were given in the 15 minutes prior that the street/square was going to be cleared, *and* that the curfew that had been announced was going to be enforced.

Also, contra to the initial reports, only smoke was used -- no tear gas.

But please feel free to get on that soapbox some more.

I do like how the liberals pull the pin on the go whiny mode on one operation, to the exclusion of the multiple deaths, probably 100s of millions of dollars of property damage, the anarchy, the looting, the beatings.

But please, focus on one thing to the exclusion of all the rest of the shitshow going on. Kind of par for the course for you all. In-fing-credible.

(06-03-2020 09:25 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  IMO this was a major low point of this administration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/po...quare.html

Unbelievably bad idea to use these methods to clear out peaceful protesters without warning and without giving the security team in that park much of a heads-up.

How is the right-wing contingent feeling about the Trump team's decision to make this photo-op happen?

Funny, I saw reports from the media subsequent that at least three notices were given in the 15 minutes prior that the street/square was going to be cleared, *and* that the curfew that had been announced was going to be enforced.

Also, contra to the initial reports, only smoke was used -- no tear gas.

But please feel free to get on that soapbox some more.

I do like how the liberals pull the pin on the go whiny mode on one operation, to the exclusion of the multiple deaths, probably 100s of millions of dollars of property damage, the anarchy, the looting, the beatings.

But please, focus on one thing to the exclusion of all the rest of the shitshow going on. Kind of par for the course for you all. In-fing-credible.

Seems a bit over the top but I guess at least you didn't say LOLOLOLOL.

(06-03-2020 09:25 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  IMO this was a major low point of this administration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/po...quare.html

Unbelievably bad idea to use these methods to clear out peaceful protesters without warning and without giving the security team in that park much of a heads-up.

How is the right-wing contingent feeling about the Trump team's decision to make this photo-op happen?

Funny, I saw reports from the media subsequent that at least three notices were given in the 15 minutes prior that the street/square was going to be cleared, *and* that the curfew that had been announced was going to be enforced.

Also, contra to the initial reports, only smoke was used -- no tear gas.

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/2/21278559/te...ark-police

(06-03-2020 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:06 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 09:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I call your attention to my question that you and the rest of the libs have studiously ignored: Why do left wing protests so often end in violence and right wing protests so rarely do?

I guess none of the lefties want to touch this with a ten foot pole. It seems to be a normal response for the lefties that it is OK to ignore questions if the answer would put the left in a bad light.

I imagine the police response to left-wing versus right-wing protesters plays a part here. Maybe left-wing protests bring out younger protestors (still under-developed impulse control) than right-wing protests. Kind of like the behavior that you see (arson, overturned vehicles, smashed windows, etc.) after big sporting event wins/losses.

Yes, I remember well all the vandalism and arson we did after beating LSU. Completely trashed the RMC and the Village. Boy did we show the world!!!

But, seriously, thanks for making the effort.

True, I think left wing riots tend to focus on younger people, but they also seem to feel entitled to vandalize and burn, since it is in a "good" cause.

Right wing protests, despite (or maybe because of) people carrying guns, tend to be peaceful, unless they are attacked by left-winger counter protesters.

I'm trying to think of "right wing protests". I don't have time to google it this morning. I'm sure they are out there but the majority that I can immediately recall are the tea party ones. I think the numbers were much smaller and were primarily comprised of old people? The confederate statue protests got violent - perhaps largely to due counter-protesters.

What are some of the larger right wing protests recently?

I think it's a combination of two things.

1) Police response to protesters. You don't see the police provoking a lot of the right-wing protests in the way you see them doing that with the left-wing. Not sure what the exact reason for that is (likely many different ones compound), but if you watch some home footage of the protest in Seattle police were instigating by grabbing umbrellas from protesters (who wouldn't then let go and then got pepper sprayed).

2) Agitating protesters. You definitely see protesters at these marches who are more willing to get violent with cops - throw objects, light **** on fire, etc. Regardless of how many of these there are, even a single person willing to instigate violence with cops with create a bad situation. That then keeps cops on edge, likely contributing to the issues above.

(06-03-2020 09:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I imagine the police response to left-wing versus right-wing protesters plays a part here. Maybe left-wing protests bring out younger protestors (still under-developed impulse control) than right-wing protests. Kind of like the behavior that you see (arson, overturned vehicles, smashed windows, etc.) after big sporting event wins/losses.

Yes, I remember well all the vandalism and arson we did after beating LSU. Completely trashed the RMC and the Village. Boy did we show the world!!!

But, seriously, thanks for making the effort.

True, I think left wing riots tend to focus on younger people, but they also seem to feel entitled to vandalize and burn, since it is in a "good" cause.

Right wing protests, despite (or maybe because of) people carrying guns, tend to be peaceful, unless they are attacked by left-winger counter protesters.

I'm trying to think of "right wing protests". I don't have time to google it this morning. I'm sure they are out there but the majority that I can immediately recall are the tea party ones. I think the numbers were much smaller and were primarily comprised of old people? The confederate statue protests got violent - perhaps largely to due counter-protesters.

What are some of the larger right wing protests recently?

Lately? I think lately there has been little for the right wing to protest. I too was thinking primarily of the Tea Party protests and the Tea party march on Washington.

My impression was that they were primarily composed of adults - people from 20-90, not people from 70-90.

But here are some links with pictures. See for yourself.

wiki

Taxpayer march


Charlotteville was peaceful until they were attacked by Antifa.

It probably depends on the point of the protest.

Protesting police violence when you have the police officers there to control the situation is certainly a recipe for getting out of hand.

Protesting taxes? Probably not a powderkeg.

In terms of left-wing protests, I don't think protests against gun violence or the Women's march were violent.

At no point did I say every left wing protest/march/whatever went to violence. I hope you didn't think that is what I was saying. If so, bad assumption.

But I will say that nearly every protest that results in violence/rioting/arson/vandalism is either a left wing protest or left wingers attacking a right wing protest. I cannot think of an exception to that statement, but there might be one or two.

Watts? Jefferson? Seattle? Portland? Berkeley? Minneapolis? Baltimore? Philadelphia x 2?

(06-03-2020 09:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Yes, I remember well all the vandalism and arson we did after beating LSU. Completely trashed the RMC and the Village. Boy did we show the world!!!

But, seriously, thanks for making the effort.

True, I think left wing riots tend to focus on younger people, but they also seem to feel entitled to vandalize and burn, since it is in a "good" cause.

Right wing protests, despite (or maybe because of) people carrying guns, tend to be peaceful, unless they are attacked by left-winger counter protesters.

I'm trying to think of "right wing protests". I don't have time to google it this morning. I'm sure they are out there but the majority that I can immediately recall are the tea party ones. I think the numbers were much smaller and were primarily comprised of old people? The confederate statue protests got violent - perhaps largely to due counter-protesters.

What are some of the larger right wing protests recently?

Lately? I think lately there has been little for the right wing to protest. I too was thinking primarily of the Tea Party protests and the Tea party march on Washington.

My impression was that they were primarily composed of adults - people from 20-90, not people from 70-90.

But here are some links with pictures. See for yourself.

wiki

Taxpayer march


Charlotteville was peaceful until they were attacked by Antifa.

It probably depends on the point of the protest.

Protesting police violence when you have the police officers there to control the situation is certainly a recipe for getting out of hand.

Protesting taxes? Probably not a powderkeg.

In terms of left-wing protests, I don't think protests against gun violence or the Women's march were violent.

At no point did I say every left wing protest/march/whatever went to violence. I hope you didn't think that is what I was saying. If so, bad assumption.

But I will say that nearly every protest that results in violence/rioting/arson/vandalism is either a left wing protest or left wingers attacking a right wing protest. I cannot think of an exception to that statement, but there might be one or two.

Watts? Jefferson? Seattle? Portland? Berkeley? Minneapolis? Baltimore? Philadelphia x 2?

I'm sure I'm blanking on this one... besides the Tea Party protests and protesting the removal of Confederate statues, what have been the big right-wing protests over the past 40 years?

(06-03-2020 09:40 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:06 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I guess none of the lefties want to touch this with a ten foot pole. It seems to be a normal response for the lefties that it is OK to ignore questions if the answer would put the left in a bad light.

I imagine the police response to left-wing versus right-wing protesters plays a part here. Maybe left-wing protests bring out younger protestors (still under-developed impulse control) than right-wing protests. Kind of like the behavior that you see (arson, overturned vehicles, smashed windows, etc.) after big sporting event wins/losses.

Yes, I remember well all the vandalism and arson we did after beating LSU. Completely trashed the RMC and the Village. Boy did we show the world!!!

But, seriously, thanks for making the effort.

True, I think left wing riots tend to focus on younger people, but they also seem to feel entitled to vandalize and burn, since it is in a "good" cause.

Right wing protests, despite (or maybe because of) people carrying guns, tend to be peaceful, unless they are attacked by left-winger counter protesters.

I'm trying to think of "right wing protests". I don't have time to google it this morning. I'm sure they are out there but the majority that I can immediately recall are the tea party ones. I think the numbers were much smaller and were primarily comprised of old people? The confederate statue protests got violent - perhaps largely to due counter-protesters.

What are some of the larger right wing protests recently?

I think it's a combination of two things.

1) Police response to protesters. You don't see the police provoking a lot of the right-wing protests in the way you see them doing that with the left-wing. Not sure what the exact reason for that is (likely many different ones compound), but if you watch some home footage of the protest in Seattle police were instigating by grabbing umbrellas from protesters (who wouldn't then let go and then got pepper sprayed).

2) Agitating protesters. You definitely see protesters at these marches who are more willing to get violent with cops - throw objects, light **** on fire, etc. Regardless of how many of these there are, even a single person willing to instigate violence with cops with create a bad situation. That then keeps cops on edge, likely contributing to the issues above.

Umbrellas? What's the point of that? But I would like to see your link on that.

I am sure there was police presence at Tea Party rallies, etc. the difference is the rallyers did not see them as an enemy, and the rallyers did not challenge them.

The police forces have been painted as racist gestapos, and thus the enemy. Right wingers don't see it that way.

I often wonder why the police are the sole municipal department in every community that is riddled with systemic racism. No problem with P&W, none with building codes or zoning. Weird.

Cops are people too. don't give them a reason to get involved, they will avoid trouble just like anybody else.

(06-03-2020 09:48 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:40 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I imagine the police response to left-wing versus right-wing protesters plays a part here. Maybe left-wing protests bring out younger protestors (still under-developed impulse control) than right-wing protests. Kind of like the behavior that you see (arson, overturned vehicles, smashed windows, etc.) after big sporting event wins/losses.

Yes, I remember well all the vandalism and arson we did after beating LSU. Completely trashed the RMC and the Village. Boy did we show the world!!!

But, seriously, thanks for making the effort.

True, I think left wing riots tend to focus on younger people, but they also seem to feel entitled to vandalize and burn, since it is in a "good" cause.

Right wing protests, despite (or maybe because of) people carrying guns, tend to be peaceful, unless they are attacked by left-winger counter protesters.

I'm trying to think of "right wing protests". I don't have time to google it this morning. I'm sure they are out there but the majority that I can immediately recall are the tea party ones. I think the numbers were much smaller and were primarily comprised of old people? The confederate statue protests got violent - perhaps largely to due counter-protesters.

What are some of the larger right wing protests recently?

I think it's a combination of two things.

1) Police response to protesters. You don't see the police provoking a lot of the right-wing protests in the way you see them doing that with the left-wing. Not sure what the exact reason for that is (likely many different ones compound), but if you watch some home footage of the protest in Seattle police were instigating by grabbing umbrellas from protesters (who wouldn't then let go and then got pepper sprayed).

2) Agitating protesters. You definitely see protesters at these marches who are more willing to get violent with cops - throw objects, light **** on fire, etc. Regardless of how many of these there are, even a single person willing to instigate violence with cops with create a bad situation. That then keeps cops on edge, likely contributing to the issues above.

Umbrellas? What's the point of that? But I would like to see your link on that.

I am sure there was police presence at Tea Party rallies, etc. the difference is the rallyers did not see them as an enemy, and the rallyers did not challenge them.

The police forces have been painted as racist gestapos, and thus the enemy. Right wingers don't see it that way.

I often wonder why the police are the sole municipal department in every community that is riddled with systemic racism. No problem with P&W, none with building codes or zoning. Weird.

Cops are people too. don't give them a reason to get involved, they will avoid trouble just like anybody else.

Birds-eye view: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comment..._happened/

Pink umbrella up close: https://twitter.com/izaacmellow/status/1...68161?s=21

Umbrellas were likely meant to protect from projectiles/gas.

(06-03-2020 10:05 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:48 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:40 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Yes, I remember well all the vandalism and arson we did after beating LSU. Completely trashed the RMC and the Village. Boy did we show the world!!!

But, seriously, thanks for making the effort.

True, I think left wing riots tend to focus on younger people, but they also seem to feel entitled to vandalize and burn, since it is in a "good" cause.

Right wing protests, despite (or maybe because of) people carrying guns, tend to be peaceful, unless they are attacked by left-winger counter protesters.

I'm trying to think of "right wing protests". I don't have time to google it this morning. I'm sure they are out there but the majority that I can immediately recall are the tea party ones. I think the numbers were much smaller and were primarily comprised of old people? The confederate statue protests got violent - perhaps largely to due counter-protesters.

What are some of the larger right wing protests recently?

I think it's a combination of two things.

1) Police response to protesters. You don't see the police provoking a lot of the right-wing protests in the way you see them doing that with the left-wing. Not sure what the exact reason for that is (likely many different ones compound), but if you watch some home footage of the protest in Seattle police were instigating by grabbing umbrellas from protesters (who wouldn't then let go and then got pepper sprayed).

2) Agitating protesters. You definitely see protesters at these marches who are more willing to get violent with cops - throw objects, light **** on fire, etc. Regardless of how many of these there are, even a single person willing to instigate violence with cops with create a bad situation. That then keeps cops on edge, likely contributing to the issues above.

Umbrellas? What's the point of that? But I would like to see your link on that.

I am sure there was police presence at Tea Party rallies, etc. the difference is the rallyers did not see them as an enemy, and the rallyers did not challenge them.

The police forces have been painted as racist gestapos, and thus the enemy. Right wingers don't see it that way.

I often wonder why the police are the sole municipal department in every community that is riddled with systemic racism. No problem with P&W, none with building codes or zoning. Weird.

Cops are people too. don't give them a reason to get involved, they will avoid trouble just like anybody else.

Birds-eye view: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comment..._happened/

Pink umbrella up close: https://twitter.com/izaacmellow/status/1...68161?s=21

Umbrellas were likely meant to protect from projectiles/gas.

Ah, good. two views of one umbrella.

What I infer from this are two things:

1. the cop (singular) got tired of having the umbrella poked in his face. hardly instigation.

2. The protesters came prepared for battle.

I didn't see the Russians or the KKK.

What were they protesting, anyway?

(06-03-2020 09:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  IMO this was a major low point of this administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/po...quare.html
Unbelievably bad idea to use these methods to clear out peaceful protesters without warning and without giving the security team in that park much of a heads-up.

It's also apparently a lie.

(06-03-2020 09:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  IMO this was a major low point of this administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/po...quare.html
Unbelievably bad idea to use these methods to clear out peaceful protesters without warning and without giving the security team in that park much of a heads-up.

It's also apparently a lie.

(06-03-2020 10:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  IMO this was a major low point of this administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/po...quare.html
Unbelievably bad idea to use these methods to clear out peaceful protesters without warning and without giving the security team in that park much of a heads-up.

It's also apparently a lie.

Focusing on Trump is one symptom of TDS.

(06-03-2020 10:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 10:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  IMO this was a major low point of this administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/po...quare.html
Unbelievably bad idea to use these methods to clear out peaceful protesters without warning and without giving the security team in that park much of a heads-up.

It's also apparently a lie.

Focusing on Trump is one symptom of TDS.

So you guys have no issues with the planning or execution of this photo op? The manner in which they cleared out peaceful protesters is OK?

(06-03-2020 10:33 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 10:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 10:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  IMO this was a major low point of this administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/po...quare.html
Unbelievably bad idea to use these methods to clear out peaceful protesters without warning and without giving the security team in that park much of a heads-up.

It's also apparently a lie.

Focusing on Trump is one symptom of TDS.

So you guys have no issues with the planning or execution of this photo op? The manner in which they cleared out peaceful protesters is OK?

I can take issue with the decision to go to the church for the op. But once the president decides to go anywhere, whether a photo op at a dam or a photo op at a factory or ...whatever, it is the job of the Secret Service and other law enforcement to protect the president, and the unwillingness of the protesters to co-operate makes the response correct. The exaggerations (lies?) about what was done and why seem to be same ol' same ol'. It's Trump, must be wrong. TDS.

(06-03-2020 10:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 10:33 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 10:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 10:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  IMO this was a major low point of this administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/po...quare.html
Unbelievably bad idea to use these methods to clear out peaceful protesters without warning and without giving the security team in that park much of a heads-up.

It's also apparently a lie.

Focusing on Trump is one symptom of TDS.

So you guys have no issues with the planning or execution of this photo op? The manner in which they cleared out peaceful protesters is OK?

I can take issue with the decision to go to the church for the op. But once the president decides to go anywhere, whether a photo op at a dam or a photo op at a factory or ...whatever, it is the job of the Secret Service and other law enforcement to protect the president, and the unwillingness of the protesters to co-operate makes the response correct. The exaggerations (lies?) about what was done and why seem to be same ol' same ol'. It's Trump, must be wrong. TDS.

Which lies about what was done?

(06-03-2020 10:13 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 10:05 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:48 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 09:40 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 08:58 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm trying to think of "right wing protests". I don't have time to google it this morning. I'm sure they are out there but the majority that I can immediately recall are the tea party ones. I think the numbers were much smaller and were primarily comprised of old people? The confederate statue protests got violent - perhaps largely to due counter-protesters.

What are some of the larger right wing protests recently?

I think it's a combination of two things.

1) Police response to protesters. You don't see the police provoking a lot of the right-wing protests in the way you see them doing that with the left-wing. Not sure what the exact reason for that is (likely many different ones compound), but if you watch some home footage of the protest in Seattle police were instigating by grabbing umbrellas from protesters (who wouldn't then let go and then got pepper sprayed).

2) Agitating protesters. You definitely see protesters at these marches who are more willing to get violent with cops - throw objects, light **** on fire, etc. Regardless of how many of these there are, even a single person willing to instigate violence with cops with create a bad situation. That then keeps cops on edge, likely contributing to the issues above.

Umbrellas? What's the point of that? But I would like to see your link on that.

I am sure there was police presence at Tea Party rallies, etc. the difference is the rallyers did not see them as an enemy, and the rallyers did not challenge them.

The police forces have been painted as racist gestapos, and thus the enemy. Right wingers don't see it that way.

I often wonder why the police are the sole municipal department in every community that is riddled with systemic racism. No problem with P&W, none with building codes or zoning. Weird.

Cops are people too. don't give them a reason to get involved, they will avoid trouble just like anybody else.

Birds-eye view: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comment..._happened/

Pink umbrella up close: https://twitter.com/izaacmellow/status/1...68161?s=21

Umbrellas were likely meant to protect from projectiles/gas.

Ah, good. two views of one umbrella.

What I infer from this are two things:

1. the cop (singular) got tired of having the umbrella poked in his face. hardly instigation.

2. The protesters came prepared for battle.

I didn't see the Russians or the KKK.

What were they protesting, anyway?

Weird deflection there at the end.

So if a cop gets tired of me having something they can just confiscate it? The point of that video shows how law enforcement can escalate a peaceful protest into one that isn’t. One cops decision to grab an umbrella led to another pepper spraying the crowd, which led to the crowd reacting and more cops pepper spraying, which led to pandemonium.

Imagine if, during a right-wing protest, a cop got tired of a protestors yelling in their face, and move swiftly to subdue the individual. There is a good chance similar pandemonium would break out.



Again, I see two issues that clearly occur. Left-wing protests have been more likely to have people get violent. Cops at left-wing protests have been more likely to escalate the situation.