The ACC Tournament needs to be in Atlanta.... every year. The league has out grown playing anywhere in Carolina for the post season. If they want to rotate, use Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Nashville. Stay in the Southeast.

(04-29-2020 05:09 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC Tournament needs to be in Atlanta.... every year. The league has out grown playing anywhere in Carolina for the post season. If they want to rotate, use Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Nashville. Stay in the Southeast.

First, there is no such place as “Carolina.” It’s the Carolinas and there’s no place to hold it in South Carolina. Orlando and Nashville are nonstarters. See what I wrote above about the one time the tournament was held in Florida. As to Nashville, have you noticed that there’s no ACC school in Tennessee? Try Pittsburgh and I won’t roll my eyes but it’s not going to Pittsburgh.

NYC, DC, Charlotte, Atlanta. Rotate 'em.

Washington DC is the best home. Large city with major media and lots of alums. It will allow the ACC to grow its brand and make more money.

NYC, Atlanta and Charlotte should also get some rotation.

Brooklyn, not MSG, let's be realistic here. The A10 has Brooklyn through 2024 anyway. Second fiddle in the city? Nah, I'm good, but I can't fight it, that's where the conference has decided is part of our footprint.

Atlanta, DC, and Charlotte have been part of the rotation for years. Greensboro will continue to be part of the rotation as well. Sorry if you can't accept your membership in the country club. Don't come, don't watch basketball in a great venue, but please, don't cry like babies. It used to be almost every year there and the old heads aren't crying.

Greensboro has historic significance, but the noobs don't really understand that with a TV conference formed circa 1980. Where the hell did they have tourneys prior to the Big East, 3k seat gymnasiums?

Those old Big East teams for the most part were Eastern Indies

(04-29-2020 08:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Those old Big East teams for the most part were Eastern Indies

From what I have read they had ECAC tournaments that were regional. So your fanbases were spoiled with MSG, playing only the elite regional schools there. That's ESPN, not tradition.

Those ECAC tournaments were a short lived product to get some eastern teams into the NCAAs. They were not conference tournaments.

The ECAC was a loose confederation of like 100 eastern schools.

(04-29-2020 08:30 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Those ECAC tournaments were a short lived product to get some eastern teams into the NCAAs. They were not conference tournaments.

The ECAC was a loose confederation of like 100 eastern schools.

Right, so how does that change anything I said?

(04-29-2020 10:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-29-2020 08:30 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Those ECAC tournaments were a short lived product to get some eastern teams into the NCAAs. They were not conference tournaments.

The ECAC was a loose confederation of like 100 eastern schools.

Right, so how does that change anything I said?

Well because they weren't conference tournaments in front of 3K seat arenas.

For some historical background read this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECAC_Men...ournaments

BTW, Cuse's arena back then was over 9000 seats and full

(04-29-2020 07:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  NYC, DC, Charlotte, Atlanta. Rotate 'em.

+1.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!




(NOTE: if we absolutely have to hold it in Greensboro, let it be once every rotation - along with the above cities. That's 20% NYC, 20% DC, 20% GBO, 20% CLT, and 20% ATL).

(04-30-2020 12:05 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2020 07:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  NYC, DC, Charlotte, Atlanta. Rotate 'em.

+1.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!




(NOTE: if we absolutely have to hold it in Greensboro, let it be once every rotation - along with the above cities. That's 20% NYC, 20% DC, 20% GBO, 20% CLT, and 20% ATL).

40% in North Carolina split between the 21st and 49th largest media markets. Nope.

NYC is the #1 and DC the #7 media market. Both are lacking a permanent ACC institutional presence and both are cities/MSAs that the ACC wants to push its brand and generate media coverage in. To do that, you have to establish a sense of place in those cities and that means minimizing rotations. ATL is at least #10, but it already has a permanent ACC presence there. The ACC has saturated North Carolina and the football championship will be permanently in Charlotte because it will fill up regardless of the opponent.

In case no one has noticed, the strategy has been to push the ACC brand into large markets in the mid-atlantic and northeast. Greensboro is only a bone thrown to tobacco road traditionalists, and that is fine from time to time. I think your going see it settle into a 33% split between Brooklyn, DC, and Charlotte/Greensboro unless something changes like arena availability. You're also likely to see the ACC hold on to the Pinstripe Bowl for the same reason.

(04-30-2020 01:13 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-30-2020 12:05 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2020 07:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  NYC, DC, Charlotte, Atlanta. Rotate 'em.

+1.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!




(NOTE: if we absolutely have to hold it in Greensboro, let it be once every rotation - along with the above cities. That's 20% NYC, 20% DC, 20% GBO, 20% CLT, and 20% ATL).

40% in North Carolina split between the 21st and 49th largest media markets. Nope.

NYC is the #1 and DC the #7 media market. Both are lacking a permanent ACC institutional presence and both are cities/MSAs that the ACC wants to push its brand and generate media coverage in. To do that, you have to establish a sense of place in those cities and that means minimizing rotations. ATL is at least #10, but it already has a permanent ACC presence there. The ACC has saturated North Carolina and the football championship will be permanently in Charlotte because it will fill up regardless of the opponent.

In case no one has noticed, the strategy has been to push the ACC brand into large markets in the mid-atlantic and northeast. Greensboro is only a bone thrown to tobacco road traditionalists, and that is fine from time to time. I think your going see it settle into a 33% split between Brooklyn, DC, and Charlotte/Greensboro unless something changes like arena availability. You're also likely to see the ACC hold on to the Pinstripe Bowl for the same reason.

I have to agree with Mark. North Carolina is a day trip to a lot of ACC schools. Having the ACCT there 40% of the time is about right.

Quote:That's 20% NYC, 20% DC, 20% GBO, 20% CLT, and 20% ATL

And as far as NYC goes, we can pass on Brooklyn. If we can't get Madison Square Garden the last week of the season, have the tournament a week early like the B1G did.

“Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows.”

(04-30-2020 01:49 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  And as far as NYC goes, we can pass on Brooklyn. If we can't get Madison Square Garden the last week of the season, have the tournament a week early like the B1G did.

I can speak as a Big Ten fan, forget that idea, I hated that. Nothing wrong with Barclay's or even the Prudential Center, the last thing you want to do is play your conference tournament a week early. If you want MSG, negotiate with the Garden for Championship Week once their contract expires and/or try to get Villanova for all sports but football and that would guarantee the ACC will have priority over the Big East for MSG.

https://www.tarheelblog.com/2019/2/23/18...all-member

The ACC can screw over the Big East ... again!

The ACC lost their opportunity to get MSG. Not going to happen unless the ACC threw a bunch of $$ around. Why at this point?

Looks like a rotation too me along the east coast. I'm thinking ATL, CLT, DCA and Brooklyn. I'm real hesitant to put it into Florida.

I'd say no to going to MSG a week early too. I could be talked into GBO once or twice a decade but I think CLT is better.

(04-30-2020 07:10 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The ACC lost their opportunity to get MSG. Not going to happen unless the ACC threw a bunch of $$ around. Why at this point?

Looks like a rotation too me along the east coast. I'm thinking ATL, CLT, DCA and Brooklyn. I'm real hesitant to put it into Florida.

I'd say no to going to MSG a week early too. I could be talked into GBO once or twice a decade but I think CLT is better.

How's this compromise?

DC, NYC, CLT, ATL, DC, NYC, CLT, ATL, GBO, repeat.

Works out to roughly:
22% DC
22% NYC
22% CLT
22% ATL
11% GBO

It's in the heart of the conference 1/3rd of the time, with nearly half in BosWash and nearly 1/4th in the deep South.

(04-30-2020 08:02 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-30-2020 07:10 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The ACC lost their opportunity to get MSG. Not going to happen unless the ACC threw a bunch of $$ around. Why at this point?

Looks like a rotation too me along the east coast. I'm thinking ATL, CLT, DCA and Brooklyn. I'm real hesitant to put it into Florida.

I'd say no to going to MSG a week early too. I could be talked into GBO once or twice a decade but I think CLT is better.

How's this compromise?

DC, NYC, CLT, ATL, DC, NYC, CLT, ATL, GBO, repeat.

Works out to roughly:
22% DC
22% NYC
22% CLT
22% ATL
11% GBO

It's in the heart of the conference 1/3rd of the time, with nearly half in BosWash and nearly 1/4th in the deep South.

I'd accept it. I'd probably space out Brooklyn and Washington to every other years and not back to back) to spread them out. I don't know why Greensboro is any better than Charlotte, if it is in the state of North Carolina why not Charlotte all of the time (or have Greensboro build a newer arena rather than an arena that's older than I am and I'm almost 50).

(04-30-2020 08:23 AM)schmolik Wrote:  I'd accept it. I'd probably space out Brooklyn and Washington to every other years and not back to back) to spread them out. I don't know why Greensboro is any better than Charlotte, if it is in the state of North Carolina why not Charlotte all of the time (or have Greensboro build a newer arena rather than an arena that's older than I am and I'm almost 50).

You know how old MSG is? The Coliseum has been renovated (although I nostalgically miss the purple and teal floor of my youth) and it's a great place to watch basketball. It's where the conference office is located, and it's at the heart of the league. Plus, it is the event of the year in the city, none of those other sites can say that.

Is anybody clamoring to move the Masters from Augusta to Long Island for better media coverage?

(04-29-2020 10:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-29-2020 10:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-29-2020 08:30 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Those ECAC tournaments were a short lived product to get some eastern teams into the NCAAs. They were not conference tournaments.

The ECAC was a loose confederation of like 100 eastern schools.

Right, so how does that change anything I said?

Well because they weren't conference tournaments in front of 3K seat arenas.

For some historical background read this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECAC_Men...ournaments

BTW, Cuse's arena back then was over 9000 seats and full

The Eastern Collegiate Athletic (not a) Conference's tournaments. I know they weren't technically conference tournaments in the traditional sense, and were organized to get in the Dance. I never said they were conference tournaments though.

I looked at the sites and a lot of them were held on campus. St. John's and Rutgers played in MSG a few times.

Syracuse played in Buffalo, on-campus, Rochester, and Old Dominion's Fieldhouse (lulz). Also Maryland's Cole Field House, which I find strange. They must have needed a larger place than Georgetown's tiny gymnasium.