Wow. And a smiley emoticon to top it off.

(04-09-2020 04:03 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Wow. And a smiley emoticon to top it off.

It was supposed to be the one with the tongue sticking out, I fixed it. Not that anyone really wants to see Alvarez' tongue sticking out.

So does that mean they would still have eligibility immediately at another school?

Can Wisconsin unilaterally deny them another year anywhere?

UW has projected a revenue shortfall of more than $4 million for this season — or roughly 2.5% of a $159 million budget — because of the coronavirus. Some of the losses are because of a decrease in NCAA distributions to schools triggered by the cancellation of the highly profitable men's basketball tournament.

If football isn't played in the fall because of the coronavirus, schools stand to lose millions more in revenue. At UW, around 15% of annual athletics revenue comes from football ticket sales, and more comes from football-heavy media deals.

Times like this are a stark reminder that to the schools It's All About the Benjamins, "student athletes" be damned.

(04-09-2020 04:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  So does that mean they would still have eligibility immediately at another school?

Can Wisconsin unilaterally deny them another year anywhere?

It's not Wisconsin's decision, it's the NCAA's. AFAIK, whether a D-I spring sports athlete who has completed 4 years of eligibility can transfer to another D-I program and have a 5th year of eligibility at another school immediately hasn't been decided by the NCAA.

I don't think the NCAA has even announced a decision on whether scholarship limits would be increased to permit a team to give scholarship aid to a 5th-year athlete on top of the scholarships already committed to next school year's incoming freshmen and returning sophomores and juniors.

Another unanswered question is whether an incoming freshman (or juco transfer) could get out of his or her NLI and be eligible immediately at a different school if the team he/she signed with keeps 5th year seniors who would take playing time away from the incoming freshmen (or juco transfers).

Or even if the athlete who wants to transfer is already at the school -- for example, a baseball pitcher who would be a junior next school year has a strong shot at starting for his college team next spring, but gets bumped to the bullpen because his coach keeps 2 or 3 5th year players who also happen to be good starting pitchers. Shouldn't that athlete get a free transfer?

It's a big mess that the NCAA has so far failed to sort out.

There's no excuse for a school in a conference with ridiculous TV money like Wisconsin to do this. What's worse is spring sport athletes don't even get full scholarships so it's cheaper.

(04-09-2020 05:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I don't think the NCAA has even announced a decision on whether scholarship limits would be increased to permit a team to give scholarship aid to a 5th-year athlete on top of the scholarships already committed to next school year's incoming freshmen and returning sophomores and juniors.

From the NCAA press release announcing the 5th year:

"Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay."

(04-09-2020 06:03 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  There's no excuse for a school in a conference with ridiculous TV money like Wisconsin to do this.

I agree. I think what it shows is the rapacious appetite for spending. You'd think that with all this new B1G money pouring in, Wisky would be sitting on a mountain of reserve cash to tide them through all this while taking care of their athletes.

But apparently a reserve fund is not part of the budget. They have committed all of that new gusher of money to new big spending projects, so now that it isn't coming in they are kind of borked, and the students suffer.

(04-09-2020 06:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-09-2020 05:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I don't think the NCAA has even announced a decision on whether scholarship limits would be increased to permit a team to give scholarship aid to a 5th-year athlete on top of the scholarships already committed to next school year's incoming freshmen and returning sophomores and juniors.

From the NCAA press release announcing the 5th year:

"Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay."

Ok, that takes care of one issue.

What about the spring athletes who were not in their last year of eligibility? Do all of them get an extra year? Do they get to count 2019-20 as a redshirt year, so that it doesn't count against their 4 years of eligibility? If so, then all of the athletes that entered college in fall 2019, along with all those who enter in fall 2020, will have 4 years of eligibility remaining. That would put a squeeze on roster limits and scholarship limits for all spring sports for a few years down the road.

(04-09-2020 04:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  UW has projected a revenue shortfall of more than $4 million for this season — or roughly 2.5% of a $159 million budget — because of the coronavirus. Some of the losses are because of a decrease in NCAA distributions to schools triggered by the cancellation of the highly profitable men's basketball tournament.

If football isn't played in the fall because of the coronavirus, schools stand to lose millions more in revenue. At UW, around 15% of annual athletics revenue comes from football ticket sales, and more comes from football-heavy media deals.

I heard that last week. While, I looked for that on the web, I recall hearing that on a podcast. Which podcast did mention that loss as they also mentioned Clemson?

Was it The Audible or the Yahoo College Sports podcast (Wetzel/Forte/Thamel)?

Don't fret, Barry will fire the Men's Swimming coach and a couple of Graphic Designers and do the work himself and take 50% of the cost savings for for his "bonus" as he typically does.

(04-09-2020 06:03 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  There's no excuse for a school in a conference with ridiculous TV money like Wisconsin to do this. What's worse is spring sport athletes don't even get full scholarships so it's cheaper.

Agree.

In reality, most of them are probably graduating and moving on, but a few would like to continue.

(04-09-2020 06:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-09-2020 06:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-09-2020 05:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I don't think the NCAA has even announced a decision on whether scholarship limits would be increased to permit a team to give scholarship aid to a 5th-year athlete on top of the scholarships already committed to next school year's incoming freshmen and returning sophomores and juniors.

From the NCAA press release announcing the 5th year:

"Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay."

Ok, that takes care of one issue.

What about the spring athletes who were not in their last year of eligibility? Do all of them get an extra year? Do they get to count 2019-20 as a redshirt year, so that it doesn't count against their 4 years of eligibility? If so, then all of the athletes that entered college in fall 2019, along with all those who enter in fall 2020, will have 4 years of eligibility remaining. That would put a squeeze on roster limits and scholarship limits for all spring sports for a few years down the road.

IIRC, only seniors get that extra year. Otherwise as you say it would ripple through several more years. At least those juniors and below still have at least a year left.

I talked about the "market correction" in other threads, Barry's the first Power 5 guy to do it.

(04-09-2020 04:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  UW has projected a revenue shortfall of more than $4 million for this season — or roughly 2.5% of a $159 million budget — because of the coronavirus. Some of the losses are because of a decrease in NCAA distributions to schools triggered by the cancellation of the highly profitable men's basketball tournament.

If football isn't played in the fall because of the coronavirus, schools stand to lose millions more in revenue. At UW, around 15% of annual athletics revenue comes from football ticket sales, and more comes from football-heavy media deals.

Wisconsin is the tip of the iceberg.

My brother is a professor at a D-1 private school, and their president just told them that the whole university is preparing for a 20-40% decline in revenue next fall. Students aren't going to pay $45,000-60,000 a year for online classes.

(04-09-2020 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Times like this are a stark reminder that to the schools It's All About the Benjamins, "student athletes" be damned.

How can anybody argue with this.

(04-09-2020 06:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-09-2020 06:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-09-2020 05:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I don't think the NCAA has even announced a decision on whether scholarship limits would be increased to permit a team to give scholarship aid to a 5th-year athlete on top of the scholarships already committed to next school year's incoming freshmen and returning sophomores and juniors.

From the NCAA press release announcing the 5th year:

"Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay."

Ok, that takes care of one issue.

What about the spring athletes who were not in their last year of eligibility? Do all of them get an extra year? Do they get to count 2019-20 as a redshirt year, so that it doesn't count against their 4 years of eligibility? If so, then all of the athletes that entered college in fall 2019, along with all those who enter in fall 2020, will have 4 years of eligibility remaining. That would put a squeeze on roster limits and scholarship limits for all spring sports for a few years down the road.

I think the NCAA plans to hash out most of the details during their big meeting in two weeks. They've already pushed most everything non-COVID off the agenda in order to focus on the effects of the pandemic. (The St. Thomas/DIII to DI situation being one of the casualties; it's now to be discussed in June at the earliest.)

(04-10-2020 06:24 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-09-2020 04:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  UW has projected a revenue shortfall of more than $4 million for this season — or roughly 2.5% of a $159 million budget — because of the coronavirus. Some of the losses are because of a decrease in NCAA distributions to schools triggered by the cancellation of the highly profitable men's basketball tournament.

If football isn't played in the fall because of the coronavirus, schools stand to lose millions more in revenue. At UW, around 15% of annual athletics revenue comes from football ticket sales, and more comes from football-heavy media deals.

Wisconsin is the tip of the iceberg.

My brother is a professor at a D-1 private school, and their president just told them that the whole university is preparing for a 20-40% decline in revenue next fall. Students aren't going to pay $45,000-60,000 a year for online classes.

Yes, if face to face classes cannot re-open in August - which seems more likely than not - there is going to be a big drop in revenue for schools, and athletics will be the least of the concerns, the survival of the institutions will be at stake. I have tenure and coming up on 25 year's seniority at my school, but could very well see myself getting hit with a major furlough (pay cut) or even being laid off entirely. Financial Exigency, which would allow that, is a given in that situation.

Students are just not going to pay full load for online, and many just don't want to do college online. And, many may come from families where dad or mom is now unemployed and they can't afford it.

The Ivies and others with $Billions in endowments will weather the storm but everyone else is at serious risk.

Back to athletics - a cancellation of fall sports will bring Big Pain to everyone. As we found out with Wisky, even many extremely high-income P5 programs have not established reserves, they pay-as-they-go, when more $$$ comes in it just gets spent on more things, and/or they are highly leveraged, they have already spent next year's $55m B1G check (which now will be hella less) on future projects.

Big Pain.

(04-12-2020 08:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 06:24 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-09-2020 04:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  UW has projected a revenue shortfall of more than $4 million for this season — or roughly 2.5% of a $159 million budget — because of the coronavirus. Some of the losses are because of a decrease in NCAA distributions to schools triggered by the cancellation of the highly profitable men's basketball tournament.

If football isn't played in the fall because of the coronavirus, schools stand to lose millions more in revenue. At UW, around 15% of annual athletics revenue comes from football ticket sales, and more comes from football-heavy media deals.

Wisconsin is the tip of the iceberg.

My brother is a professor at a D-1 private school, and their president just told them that the whole university is preparing for a 20-40% decline in revenue next fall. Students aren't going to pay $45,000-60,000 a year for online classes.

Yes, if face to face classes cannot re-open in August - which seems more likely than not - there is going to be a big drop in revenue for schools, and athletics will be the least of the concerns, the survival of the institutions will be at stake. I have tenure and coming up on 25 year's seniority at my school, but could very well see myself getting hit with a major furlough (pay cut) or even being laid off entirely. Financial Exigency, which would allow that, is a given in that situation.

Students are just not going to pay full load for online, and many just don't want to do college online. And, many may come from families where dad or mom is now unemployed and they can't afford it.

The Ivies and others with $Billions in endowments will weather the storm but everyone else is at serious risk.

Back to athletics - a cancellation of fall sports will bring Big Pain to everyone. As we found out with Wisky, even many extremely high-income P5 programs have not established reserves, they pay-as-they-go, when more $$$ comes in it just gets spent on more things, and/or they are highly leveraged, they have already spent next year's $55m B1G check (which now will be hella less) on future projects.

Big Pain.

I have a brother who is a law professor at a school in New York. He's incredibly pessimistic they begin on time in the fall - and this is a big school in a major basketball conference. He thinks there are 3 scenarios being discussed by most schools -- (1) school begins on time like normal, (2) school starts up in the fall but if there is a spike in virus cases again over the winter, the schools have to revert back to online only at that point (whether that's everywhere or just regionally TBD), (3) schools start in the fall again as online only.