https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1245690256147480576

UNCHARTED TERRITORY

I don't know how many times I can say this....

the residual impact is easily going to be more deadly....

COMPLETELY MISMANAGED

TIME TO INVOICE

I bet some are even dead. Prolly even vote

(04-02-2020 07:42 AM)shere khan Wrote:  I bet some are even dead. Prolly even vote

it's 'self induced' across the board....

shere, I can always count on you, the dunkster, and many others for many a chuckle in the 'wit category'....

and to that shite!

Probably even worse considering I believe the data is only through mid March.

Quote:... includes claims filed through March 28.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...oronavirus

MID MORNING

Reliance on employment for health insurance is going to look real foolish real quick (not that it already didn't).

Not for at least 6 months it won’t.

6.6, holy ****,

(04-02-2020 08:45 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Reliance on employment for health insurance is going to look real foolish real quick (not that it already didn't).

it's amazing how fk'd that crew is in the moment and whenever this self-induced panic recovers...

we're concentrating aid to the whole when it should be geared to the most susceptible....

@bassAckwards

(04-02-2020 09:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 08:45 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Reliance on employment for health insurance is going to look real foolish real quick (not that it already didn't).

it's amazing how fk'd that crew is in the moment and whenever this self-induced panic recovers...

we're concentrating aid to the whole when it should be geared to the most susceptible....

@bassAckwards

I agree, but our system is not geared to work that way. It should be, but it's so bloated with bureaucracy and waste that it can't be nimble and adjust on the fly to a crisis. If we already had universal UBI instead of all the useless and wasteful welfare programs we currently have it would be very simple to just adjust the amounts given out to those that need it the most. These unemployment numbers aren't even fully accurate, as there are a ton of people who haven't even been able to successfully file a claim yet.

(04-02-2020 09:08 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 09:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 08:45 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Reliance on employment for health insurance is going to look real foolish real quick (not that it already didn't).

it's amazing how fk'd that crew is in the moment and whenever this self-induced panic recovers...

we're concentrating aid to the whole when it should be geared to the most susceptible....

@bassAckwards

I agree, but our system is not geared to work that way. It should be, but it's so bloated with bureaucracy and waste that it can't be nimble and adjust on the fly to a crisis. If we already had universal UBI instead of all the useless and wasteful welfare programs we currently have it would be very simple to just adjust the amounts given out to those that need it the most. These unemployment numbers aren't even fully accurate, as there are a ton of people who haven't even been able to successfully file a claim yet.

when the 'experts' predict 3.3mm and the released number is 6.6mm w/o the ones that you correctly state have not been able to be processed?????

well, that's why I gave many a prof, da finga and never went back.....

this where I'm currently disappointed in DJT....he doesn't have to play it this way....

he's fk'n this one up....

(04-02-2020 08:57 AM)fsquid Wrote:  6.6, holy ****,

Its actually worse than that. Local NBC news last night in Houston had a report showing how a guy thats been trying to apply for almost 3 weeks has been unable to even get through because the website is so overwhelmed that the web browser simply indicates the page is unavailable.

I'm not sure why anybody is surprised. This stuff, legit or not, best approach or not, is going to completely destroy our economy. This will be worse than the Great Depression. How long the effects last are anybody's guess.

I don't really see things going back to normal until we get a vaccine in a year or two, and scientists in Australia are now saying the 12-18 month time frame is "optimistic."

(04-02-2020 08:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not for at least 6 months it won’t.

This^

If we had a UBI based on the Boortz-Linder prebate/prefund, everybody would have gotten a check yesterday, and would have gotten one March 1st and would get another on May 1st. And if we had kurzarbeit, the number laid off could have been reduced substantially. And if we had Bismarck, nobody would be terrified of health care costs. And if we had a repurposed National Guard functioning as a civil defense/emergency response agency, there could have been boots on the ground to do testing as soon as tests were available, which would have put pressure on CDC and FDA either 1) to approve the WHO test and get state, local, and private interests busy making test kits and evaluating results, or 2) to get state, local, and private players, like Dr. Chu in Seattle, high behind developing tests, instead of sending them "cease and desist" orders. And those same boots would have been available to erect and staff field hospitals to catch the overflow.

But we don't. And we don't. And we don't. And we don't.

And neither democrats nor republicans have addressed any of the above seriously.

(04-02-2020 10:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If we had a UBI based on the Boortz-Linder prebate/prefund, everybody would have gotten a check yesterday. And if we had kurzarbeit, the number laid off could have been reduced substantially. And if we had Bismarck, nobody would be terrified of health care costs. And if we had a repurposed National Guard functioning as a civil defense/emergency response agency, there could have been boots on the ground to do testing as soon as tests were available, which would have put pressure on CDC and FDA either 1) to approve the WHO test and get state, local, and private interests busy making test kits and evaluating results, or 2) to get state, local, and private players, like Dr. Chu in Seattle, high behind developing tests, instead of sending them "cease and desist" orders. And those same boots would have been available to erect and staff field hospitals to catch the overflow.

But we don't. And we don't. And we don't. And we don't.

And neither democrats nor republicans have addressed any of the above seriously.

it's beyond frustrating....

it defines why I wish you'd have run in some capacity, and know why ya didn't....

(04-02-2020 09:08 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 09:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 08:45 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Reliance on employment for health insurance is going to look real foolish real quick (not that it already didn't).

it's amazing how fk'd that crew is in the moment and whenever this self-induced panic recovers...

we're concentrating aid to the whole when it should be geared to the most susceptible....

@bassAckwards

I agree, but our system is not geared to work that way. It should be, but it's so bloated with bureaucracy and waste that it can't be nimble and adjust on the fly to a crisis. If we already had universal UBI instead of all the useless and wasteful welfare programs we currently have it would be very simple to just adjust the amounts given out to those that need it the most. These unemployment numbers aren't even fully accurate, as there are a ton of people who haven't even been able to successfully file a claim yet.

But we want the Government to be totally in charge of our healthcare system? We wouldn't have enough body bags. He who writes the checks makes the rules.

(04-02-2020 10:35 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 09:08 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 09:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 08:45 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Reliance on employment for health insurance is going to look real foolish real quick (not that it already didn't).

it's amazing how fk'd that crew is in the moment and whenever this self-induced panic recovers...

we're concentrating aid to the whole when it should be geared to the most susceptible....

@bassAckwards

I agree, but our system is not geared to work that way. It should be, but it's so bloated with bureaucracy and waste that it can't be nimble and adjust on the fly to a crisis. If we already had universal UBI instead of all the useless and wasteful welfare programs we currently have it would be very simple to just adjust the amounts given out to those that need it the most. These unemployment numbers aren't even fully accurate, as there are a ton of people who haven't even been able to successfully file a claim yet.

But we want the Government to be totally in charge of our healthcare system? We wouldn't have enough body bags. He who writes the checks makes the rules.

I want what Owl wants, Bismarck, which is not full government control of the healthcare system. It would though prevent people from being scared they were going to go bankrupt from treatment for Covid, which I can promise you is gonna happen to a scary number of people.

(04-02-2020 11:18 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 10:35 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 09:08 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 09:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 08:45 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Reliance on employment for health insurance is going to look real foolish real quick (not that it already didn't).

it's amazing how fk'd that crew is in the moment and whenever this self-induced panic recovers...

we're concentrating aid to the whole when it should be geared to the most susceptible....

@bassAckwards

I agree, but our system is not geared to work that way. It should be, but it's so bloated with bureaucracy and waste that it can't be nimble and adjust on the fly to a crisis. If we already had universal UBI instead of all the useless and wasteful welfare programs we currently have it would be very simple to just adjust the amounts given out to those that need it the most. These unemployment numbers aren't even fully accurate, as there are a ton of people who haven't even been able to successfully file a claim yet.

But we want the Government to be totally in charge of our healthcare system? We wouldn't have enough body bags. He who writes the checks makes the rules.

I want what Owl wants, Bismarck, which is not full government control of the healthcare system. It would though prevent people from being scared they were going to go bankrupt from treatment for Covid, which I can promise you is gonna happen to a scary number of people.

Ok, I finally decided to read up on Bismark. From what I gather, Bismark is similar to US style in that employers and employees fund the model.; however, different in that everyone must participate and the "insurance providers" do not make a profit. Isn't there still the issue of nonemployed folks not being able to get insurance? Just playing devils advocate in that would probable a concern for lots considering that model.