(03-24-2020 02:42 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(03-24-2020 01:55 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  who's Bruce Drew?

A good friend of Bruce Harper’s.

Ahhh yeah, I know that dude. I think he hangs out with Bryce Springsteen.

(03-24-2020 04:52 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(03-24-2020 02:42 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(03-24-2020 01:55 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  who's Bruce Drew?

A good friend of Bruce Harper’s.

Ahhh yeah, I know that dude. I think he hangs out with Bryce Springsteen.

I didn't know Bruce had a brother. He must hang out with Bryce Willis.

Dukester:

Would you prefer I go commando?

Now we’re getting down to the good stuff!

Is this the best thread derailment in the history of the boards?

No wonder this hiring got scrambled. All this time we could have targeted Bruce Drew and could have paid him a low salary.
Why shoot for highly paid Bryce Drew when Bruce Drew was available ?

If Bourne and Alger were visionaries, we could have gotten this guy...



...that's right, it's Bryce Lee. The guy in the red flannel shirt here in an episode apparently of an Asian version of Fred Sanford and Grady getting into a "fight".

The original of course...

(03-24-2020 01:18 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(03-24-2020 12:40 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-24-2020 09:52 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(03-24-2020 07:46 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(03-23-2020 09:19 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Of course the answer is more money. That is why Bruce Drew signed with Grand Canyon University which has only even been D-1 since 2013 and has zero appearances in the NCAA tourney. Their online degrees are supplementing their campus revenue and they ponied up big bucks. You get what you pay for.

Alger as the hiring manager surely understands that the more money you are offering means the better the candidate pool is. Money talks and BS walks. As he and Bourne worked with their 3rd party contractor and coaches’ agents they knew what amount it takes to attract certain candidates. They just aren’t willing to offer it. In my terminology I call that not wanting to win bad enough.

Let’s not distort the truth and say JMU athletics doesn’t have the money. They have $52 million of which $39 million comes from student fees.
Student fee revenue has increased by an average of $1 million per year. Why wouldn’t JMU take a slice of that annual increase and apply it to hiring a proven coach to open the Taj Mahal AUBC? Also, JMU “saved” money by going cheap for 4 long years with Louis Rowe. Why wouldn’t JMU use those savings to invest back in hiring a proven coach? Also, JMU got paid $500k by ECU when they hired coach Houston a year ago. Why wouldn’t they use that money to invest back in hiring a proven coach?

Check out the numbers. You can pick other schools too for the charts and start scratching your head trying to figure out how multiple schools with smaller budgets pay significantly more to their head basketball coach.
http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...he_money-1

You think JMU just prints money and rolls around in it. You're quick to point out that JMU receives money for coaches departures but you forget that we pay for hiring other school's coaches. We had to pay Elon for Cignetti and I'm sure GSU got a check for Byington leaving before the end of his contract. Don't forget we have expenses too.

Hart's big issue seems to be about allocation of funds across sports.

JMU sponsors 18 sports. In theory, if you wanted to grow the basketball HC salary by $500k, that would mean cutting approximately $30k from each of the other 17 sports, or some overheads or equipment purchases.

Haven't seen a breakdown of the athletic budget to know if thats remotely reasonable or not. Not sure how much of this goes to service athletic facility debts, etc. It seems to be true that JMU proportionally spends a lot more on non-revenue sports than our "budget peers" do, and on revenue sports spends less.

A lot of your budget seems to be administration and overhead costs. Much more so than ours. Here's the most recent years for both schools. Your budget over 3 million more than ours. Go down the expenses and see what line items you're outspending us in and not just FB, MBB & WBB. The other sports is the same.

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/Jame...AA2019.pdf

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/OldD...AA2019.pdf

Trying to stir the pot (again)?

I suppose the short answer to your comment is you get what you pay for.

Well I was but geez. Nevermind. Freaks.

We do have some stadium overhead bloat. Not making what I thought we'd make per home game after expanding seating by 65%.

(03-24-2020 12:40 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  A lot of your budget seems to be administration and overhead costs. Much more so than ours. Here's the most recent years for both schools. Your budget over 3 million more than ours. Go down the expenses and see what line items you're outspending us in and not just FB, MBB & WBB. The other sports is the same.

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/Jame...AA2019.pdf

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/OldD...AA2019.pdf

Your point is a common theme when comparing JMU to other mid majors. Somehow all the other schools find a way to pay their men’s basketball coaches significantly more than JMU, but JMU has a larger overall athletics budget (sometimes way larger).
It must be magic. We are led to believe that JMU’s $52 million doesn’t equal $52 million.

It is a choice the JMU administration is making to limit investment in basketball coaches and it is a terrible, irresponsible choice.
Jeffrey Bourne released a Bourne Monologue 4 years ago titled “money matters” yet he won’t emphasize the single sport in the NCAA that can be profitable for a mid major. If money matters as much as he said, then why wouldn’t he reallocate the money in a $52 million budget to maximize men’s basketball investment where he can actually get a return on the investment? Our donors don’t give enough so the department has a responsibility to make as much revenue as they can. Dumping excessive money into programs that can’t make money is foolish.

1-As good as JMU has been in FCS football they still have a deficit of $5 million per year. FCS football is a money loser. It always has been.
2-We know None of the Olympic sports has any chance to pay their bills.
3-Men’s basketball can be profitable as other mid majors have shown. It is the only sport that the NCAA pays back teams/conferences and it is based on merit for those that make the NCAA tournament and win games in the NCAA tournament. Each appearance is worth $1.8 million over 6 years and each win is worth the same so you see a team that can string together some appearances within a few years gets a financial boost. The CAA’s conference excellence pool allows the teams that earned the money to get the lion’s share vs some conferences that split it evenly amongst members.

Good discussion so far

(03-25-2020 08:29 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Dumping excessive money into programs that can’t make money is foolish.

1) define excessive
2) this isn't pro sports

(03-25-2020 08:29 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(03-24-2020 12:40 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  A lot of your budget seems to be administration and overhead costs. Much more so than ours. Here's the most recent years for both schools. Your budget over 3 million more than ours. Go down the expenses and see what line items you're outspending us in and not just FB, MBB & WBB. The other sports is the same.

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/Jame...AA2019.pdf

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/OldD...AA2019.pdf

Your point is a common theme when comparing JMU to other mid majors. Somehow all the other schools find a way to pay their men’s basketball coaches significantly more than JMU, but JMU has a larger overall athletics budget (sometimes way larger).
It must be magic. We are led to believe that JMU’s $52 million doesn’t equal $52 million.

It is a choice the JMU administration is making to limit investment in basketball coaches and it is a terrible, irresponsible choice.
Jeffrey Bourne released a Bourne Monologue 4 years ago titled “money matters” yet he won’t emphasize the single sport in the NCAA that can be profitable for a mid major. If money matters as much as he said, then why wouldn’t he reallocate the money in a $52 million budget to maximize men’s basketball investment where he can actually get a return on the investment? Our donors don’t give enough so the department has a responsibility to make as much revenue as they can. Dumping excessive money into programs that can’t make money is foolish.

1-As good as JMU has been in FCS football they still have a deficit of $5 million per year. FCS football is a money loser. It always has been.
2-We know None of the Olympic sports has any chance to pay their bills.
3-Men’s basketball can be profitable as other mid majors have shown. It is the only sport that the NCAA pays back teams/conferences and it is based on merit for those that make the NCAA tournament and win games in the NCAA tournament. Each appearance is worth $1.8 million over 6 years and each win is worth the same so you see a team that can string together some appearances within a few years gets a financial boost. The CAA’s conference excellence pool allows the teams that earned the money to get the lion’s share vs some conferences that split it evenly amongst members.

Good discussion so far

I think that a fair amount of your budget being higher than other mid majors is due to accounting practices. I think you do have a G5 level budget but not as high as it appears. You certainly put more into football which makes sense as its currently bringing in much more revenue. I agree that an investment in MBB is worthwhile and JMU could see a big jump in attendance and support there with the new arena and some success. I’m rooting for Mark (as I knew him in high school) and begrudgingly for the Dukes. But bottom line is your financial peers are not the schools listed in the OP. I’m not really trying to flame, just compare our statements.

This may make it a little more obvious to those that haven’t looked into JMU’s spending.

JMU ‘s athletic spending has increased 8% in the last 4 years fueled almost exclusively by a 12% increase in student fee revenue. It doesn’t matter how many line item accounting excuses you make, spending is up 8%.
How much do you think men’s basketball spending has increased? Well, it hasn’t. In fact it has Decreased 12% in the last four years (I backed out Brady’s severance because that would make the gap look artificially larger).

BTW, for reference, spending has increased in Olympic sports by 14% in those same 4 years.

2020 was supposed to be a pinnacle year for JMU basketball, but Alger and Bourne have been asleep at the wheel for several years.
Does anyone feel like they have prepared and planned for this monumental year like competent leaders do? Is there any penalty for them?

(03-26-2020 06:41 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  This may make it a little more obvious to those that haven’t looked into JMU’s spending.

JMU ‘s athletic spending has increased 8% in the last 4 years fueled almost exclusively by a 12% increase in student fee revenue. It doesn’t matter how many line item accounting excuses you make, spending is up 8%.
How much do you think men’s basketball spending has increased? Well, it hasn’t. In fact it has Decreased 12% in the last four years (I backed out Brady’s severance because that would make the gap look artificially larger).

BTW, for reference, spending has increased in Olympic sports by 14% in those same 4 years.

2020 was supposed to be a pinnacle year for JMU basketball, but Alger and Bourne have been asleep at the wheel for several years.
Does anyone feel like they have prepared and planned for this monumental year like competent leaders do? Is there any penalty for them?

And why was 2020 supposed to be a “pinnacle year” for JMU basketball?
You conveniently are arguing out of both sides of an illogical stance.

On the one hand you want to claim it’s a “pinnacle year” (because of the new arena...which Alger, CK and JB helped bring online), and yet, on the other hand you want to argue Alger, CK and JB are not competent leaders and should be punished because in your mind they haven’t “prepared and planned for this monumental year.” What evidence do you present that Alger and company haven’t prepared or planned?

The very people you’re criticizing helped bring the new arena online. This development did not happen by happy accident. It took skill and planning out the wazzoo to make this happen on JMU’s campus. But you want us to believe that now, because they canned a bad coach and didn’t hire Rick Pitino, or some similar pie-in-the-sky HC, they are unprepared to open the new arena.

Sorry. I’m not buying your take on where JMU is in prepping to start a new era in MBB. Not by a long shot. I’m cautiously optimistic that the new HC is the right guy, and the closer we get to the new season all of your negativity about “prepping and planning” will be revealed as seriously silly talk.

Hartt have you just considered writing JB a well thought out email, or asked to connect with someone at JMU to ask your questions you want answers for?

had a thought yesterday and figured this is where it fits. With the current state of our program, the expectations/hopes to make the new venue successful, I was curious what is the grand opening plans that engages the students and the community? With everyone looking at reruns of sports right now, had me thinking maybe you run highlights on the jumbo tron, maybe even hand out toilet paper when you enter. Pick either one of the most memorable games and run in full tied with highlights of top moments? Mix it with a concert outside to pull students, etc? Start with write-ups about the history of the program highlighting past success as a build-up in the Breeze.? maybe short pieces that highlight players or moments to give the current students some ties to past success? It's a rough draft in my head but does any of this make sense from a financial standpoint to "prime the pump"?

I think if someone creative had the time to put this together, you could have a great start to the new venue and maybe change the culture slightly. someone poke that "sleeping giant".

I think just having UVA in the building will do all that’s needed to draw fans. I hope they reach out to basketball alumni for the first game at AUBC like they did for the last game at the Convo though. The video board would definitely make for the ability to do things a lot better showing some highlights from the past and from the guys in attendance. Streamers at the end would be cool depending on the result, just not sure it has the same feel if they beat us something like 65-34 again as it did after the way they battled it out against the nerds. Cheerleaders and Dukettes could be ready to hand them out if it’s close.

(03-27-2020 07:13 AM)Halz87 Wrote:  had a thought yesterday and figured this is where it fits. With the current state of our program, the expectations/hopes to make the new venue successful, I was curious what is the grand opening plans that engages the students and the community? With everyone looking at reruns of sports right now, had me thinking maybe you run highlights on the jumbo tron, maybe even hand out toilet paper when you enter. Pick either one of the most memorable games and run in full tied with highlights of top moments? Mix it with a concert outside to pull students, etc? Start with write-ups about the history of the program highlighting past success as a build-up in the Breeze.? maybe short pieces that highlight players or moments to give the current students some ties to past success? It's a rough draft in my head but does any of this make sense from a financial standpoint to "prime the pump"?

I think if someone creative had the time to put this together, you could have a great start to the new venue and maybe change the culture slightly. someone poke that "sleeping giant".

Some people must be buried alive in the stuff, or stashing it in warehouses. Either that, or this virus is causing some serious restroom visits.

Bourne's dialogue today states the priority of the mbb coach to fit the CAA. I thought we built the arena and are waiting out media rights so we can get the hell out of the caa.

When does Bourne retire?

(03-27-2020 04:54 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Bourne's dialogue today states the priority of the mbb coach to fit the CAA. I thought we built the arena and are waiting out media rights so we can get the hell out of the caa.

When does Bourne retire?

Still probably a couple years away from the possible conference shake ups Hazed. You know this. Should focusing on being competitive in the CAA because that's where we live today not be the point?