(03-18-2020 11:31 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

And all of us are correct.

Media doesn't care if we believe them. lol

so who do y'all believe?

I've never believed politicians from day 1.

It doesn't matter if they are local, state or feds (males/females/undecided) they all have one thing in common---a gleam in their eyes--same gleam that the multilevel marketing folks have.

Avoid the gleam. lol

the media has been tits on a boar/bore for quite some time now...

Tipping point if 49% of democrats believe the same. I'm betting we see a slight return to most media outlets having mostly impartial broadcasters in the near future as coronavirus drags on

(03-18-2020 12:48 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Tipping point if 49% of democrats believe the same. I'm betting we see a slight return to most media outlets having mostly impartial broadcasters in the near future as coronavirus drags on

based on the a.m. shite festival, it's going to become another tete-a-tete, gang-bang festival of more brainwashing bs ...

(03-18-2020 12:40 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Media doesn't care if we believe them. lol

so who do y'all believe?

I've never believed politicians from day 1.

It doesn't matter if they are local, state or feds (males/females/undecided) they all have one thing in common---a gleam in their eyes--same gleam that the multilevel marketing folks have.

Avoid the gleam. lol

Your own judgement and that should be based on reading information from everything you can find. At some point you will start to find the middle of what's 'safe' and what's 'panic'. But always go by what you believe....

I dont care if you are the smartest person in the world or an Idiot, like myself....read all sides and live or die on your own beliefs

If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Mostly, this guy just needs to shut up and get out of the way. He's not helping matters. Let Pence and the experts do all the talking.

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Mostly, this guy just needs to shut up and get out of the way. He's not helping matters. Let Pence and the experts do all the talking.

Nah, folks would still complain that he didn't start five months ago.

Trump could **** the cure out of his ass right now and the Left will say he withheld it as a conspiracy.

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Mostly, this guy just needs to shut up and get out of the way. He's not helping matters. Let Pence and the experts do all the talking.

Bullsh!t since the Chinese suppressed info on the disease for 2 months while there was free travel between the U.S. and China from November 2019 thru first half of February 2020.

Let's continue to misplace blame for political reasons instead of placing 100% of the blame for ALL OF THIS on Xi Jinping. If dickhead Biden or any of the other jokes in the Dem party running for the Dem nomination for president were in charge it would be way worse now. They'd probably still have open borderd thru today...

100% to blame for all of this:

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Mostly, this guy just needs to shut up and get out of the way. He's not helping matters. Let Pence and the experts do all the talking.

ewe're the epitome of ding-dong land...

(03-18-2020 02:01 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Mostly, this guy just needs to shut up and get out of the way. He's not helping matters. Let Pence and the experts do all the talking.

Bullsh!t since the Chinese suppressed info on the disease for 2 months while there was free travel between the U.S. and China from November 2019 thru first half of February 2020.

Let's continue to misplace blame for political reasons instead of placing 100% of the blame for ALL OF THIS on Xi Jinping. If dickhead Biden or any of the other jokes in the Dem party running for the Dem nomination for president were in charge it would be way worse now. They'd probably still have open borderd thru today...

I'm not blaming him for the virus being here...I'm blaming him for mixed messages and downright lies and false information being spewed.

You cannot sit there and act like he's made things better with his "management". And I've said many times that Pence has been fine along with the others medical folks. But the man in charge needs to be the leader...and he's failing.

HE CALLED IT A HOAX JUST A SHORT TIME AGO. THAT WAS DANGEROUS AS ****!

And save the Biden nonsense. I don't want him to be president any more than I want trump to be. Okay...slightly more...

(03-18-2020 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  HE CALLED IT A HOAX JUST A SHORT TIME AGO. THAT WAS DANGEROUS AS ****!

From the left's precious snopes.

Quote:What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

Care to retract your statement? Even snopes admits he called the "democrat criticism" a hoax and not the virus itself.

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Based on what demonstrable FACTS Tom?

As reported by the Financial Times, in an article by John Burn-Murdoch from date provided by John's Hopkins... Our curve in terms of mortality is MUCH lower, especially from the outset than Germany, UK, Spain, France, Netherlands and certainly Italy, Iran, China etc. We had a bad day yesterday, but no worse than anywhere else has had, and still way 'to the right' of them

If anything, the data would say that we started off great and have sucked more recently as more cooks have come into the kitchen.

(03-18-2020 02:12 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  HE CALLED IT A HOAX JUST A SHORT TIME AGO. THAT WAS DANGEROUS AS ****!

From the left's precious snopes.

Quote:What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

Care to retract your statement? Even snopes admits he called the "democrat criticism" a hoax and not the virus itself.

He was unspecific in his initial comment when he said hoax and later claimed he was only talking about the dems. Regardless, it was reckless and dangerous. But if you think that was the only time he downplayed this you're a fool.

(03-18-2020 02:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Based on what demonstrable FACTS Tom?

As reported by the Financial Times, in an article by John Burn-Murdoch from date provided by John's Hopkins... Our curve in terms of mortality is MUCH lower, especially from the outset than Germany, UK, Spain, France, Netherlands and certainly Italy, Iran, China etc. We had a bad day yesterday, but no worse than anywhere else has had, and still way 'to the right' of them

If anything, the data would say that we started off great and have sucked more recently as more cooks have come into the kitchen.

The same facts as recklessly used here.

Quote:"[W]hen you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

(03-18-2020 02:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:12 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  HE CALLED IT A HOAX JUST A SHORT TIME AGO. THAT WAS DANGEROUS AS ****!

From the left's precious snopes.

Quote:What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

Care to retract your statement? Even snopes admits he called the "democrat criticism" a hoax and not the virus itself.

He was unspecific in his initial comment when he said hoax and later claimed he was only talking about the dems. Regardless, it was reckless and dangerous. But if you think that was the only time he downplayed this you're a fool.

His initial comment was clearly discussing the democrat criticism of his response a hoax. the direct quote from Trump is on the snopes page and backs this up.

just own up to spreading misinformation.

(03-18-2020 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:01 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If the white house had its **** together from the beginning over a month or more ago, this would be a moot point.

Mostly, this guy just needs to shut up and get out of the way. He's not helping matters. Let Pence and the experts do all the talking.

Bullsh!t since the Chinese suppressed info on the disease for 2 months while there was free travel between the U.S. and China from November 2019 thru first half of February 2020.

Let's continue to misplace blame for political reasons instead of placing 100% of the blame for ALL OF THIS on Xi Jinping. If dickhead Biden or any of the other jokes in the Dem party running for the Dem nomination for president were in charge it would be way worse now. They'd probably still have open borderd thru today...

I'm not blaming him for the virus being here...I'm blaming him for mixed messages and downright lies and false information being spewed.

You cannot sit there and act like he's made things better with his "management". And I've said many times that Pence has been fine along with the others medical folks. But the man in charge needs to be the leader...and he's failing.

HE CALLED IT A HOAX JUST A SHORT TIME AGO. THAT WAS DANGEROUS AS ****!

And save the Biden nonsense. I don't want him to be president any more than I want trump to be.

The actions taken by the U.S. have been pretty damn effective. IDGAF about Trump stroking his ego or changing his views on the virus. Besides, with the U.S. being the strongest nation militarily and economically - we were never going to skate by unscathed because as the saying goes "ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME" is applicable to our country.

One of the outcomes I'm seeing is the reaction to the virus has the potential to be more dangerous than the disease itself. The vast majority of those who become infected are asymptomatic or have mild reactions to the virus. IMHO, trying to calm people down and not ramp up the hysteria is EXACTLY what we need. It's already bad enough that we're experiencing artificial shortages due to people panicking (or speculating and trying to drive up prices...) and hoarding products. We don't need that. We also don't need violent riots due to fear of the virus either.

Reread what I wrote. I mentioned Biden first - since he's the clear cut favorite - but I also mentioned ALL OF THEM. Don't cherry pick when you can clearly see that I was referring to all of the Dem candidates...