(03-11-2020 10:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 08:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  Think it will also lead to dramatic expansion of distance learning for colleges.

Two “kids” in college, both will now do live streaming.

Hunh. Couldn’t we do that already?

Two more slouchers on my couch til June or whenever?

No thanks, go get a job.

Good grief

Classes done primarily online leave job-seekers, in many cases, woefully unprepared when they're finished. I know we're trying to move away from the brick and mortar 4-year Universities, but I can say for certain that the classroom environment helped me greatly. Taking classes in your pajamas just doesn't strike me as a viable way to get a quality education, no matter how good the technology gets.

(03-12-2020 09:57 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 09:55 AM)Momus Wrote:  The markets seem to have a dismal opinion of Trump's botched response. But don't let an objectivity get in the way of your worship of the Cheeto-In-Chief.

Crawl back under your rock. This has nothing to do with Trump or his administration. The US markets are not independent of the world economy.

It has everything to do with it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a complete fool.

So I watched the speech last night, and was curious what Trump screwed up so badly, since so much has been written about it today.

1. He said all incoming travel was banned from Europe, except the UK and US citizens. He failed to mention Ireland was exempt as well, and the specific banned list has 23 countries on it, not all of them. He also omitted permanent foreign residents, I think. That seems like a speechwriter error, b/c the EU country list was already compiled.

2. He fumbled through a sentence about trade goods, and sort of made it sound like they were included too, although it's hard to make sense of. I think he may have mangled the words on the teleprompter, or it was just poorly worded. Trade continues as is.

3. Trump said that insurance company execs had agreed to waive the costs of coronavirus treatment, when it fact it was coronavirus testing. My guess is he read the word wrong. I caught that one when he said it. Obviously, insurance companies aren't paying for all treatments.

Within a few minutes after his speech, all three issues were clarified. Nobody died. Seems like an overreaction to me, especially considering things are in great flux, and this stuff is being decided and written up as they go.

The actions are important. Any confusion of the details was quickly cleared up.

(03-12-2020 10:01 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 09:08 AM)fsquid Wrote:  UK has cases of this thing too, so unsure why they are exempted.

Maybe because the experts at the CDC said the UK is not nearly as troublesome vs. other other countries, just a guess.....and Johns Hopkins ranks the USA #1 and the UK #2 in all matters related global health security in matters of pathogens and epidemics.
Canada and Australia have very good overall scores. Italy is much further down the ranking. Funny how the Anglosphere remains solid.

And all AOC says y’all racist for naming it after where it came from....

(03-12-2020 07:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 07:24 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:18 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  He was particularly orangey tonight. Strange dude.

I noticed. And told my wife he sounded a little like Eddie Haskell. But he also seems to be doing the right things. But I'm a Memphis fan like you, so I really hate orange...

As a man without a party, I apparently have the choice in November of a Particularly Orangey Strange Dude, or a Senile Older Dude who should be in a nursing facility.

At least the economy has been super, and the POSD isn't coming for my guns, like the SOD and Beto, whom I'm sure would also screw up the economy, so...Orange is the new Green...

I agree with you. I didnt like Trump from the beginning. He is a buffoon and crass at every opportunity. He is doing a good job though. Anyone who can't see that is just blinded.

Even though I concede he is doing a good job, I was certainly hoping for a better candidate and they come up with Joe Biden.

Y’all both sound like me in 2016. Honestly I believe the DNC has rolled Joe out this go round because they have to have a candidate that might help them win some down the ticket races. Running Joe is symbolic of throwing in the towel.

All Joe has to do is win Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania; and his performance in Michigan was particularly encouraging. He beat Sanders in the areas of the state that Sanders beat Hillary. He’ll be a much more formidable opponent than Hillary ended up being.

The media can't hide his senility. And don't think America isn't seeing it daily.

Trump is going to have a blast with that on the campaign trail.


Cursing out people asking questions, calling them liars, and referring to women as horse-faces. It really makes me wonder... have the Dems seen that Trump's attitude is actually working for him and did they decide to take it to the next level?

It won't work. Either you've got it or you don't.

Trump has it. Biden definitely doesn't.

(03-12-2020 10:05 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 08:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  Think it will also lead to dramatic expansion of distance learning for colleges.

Two “kids” in college, both will now do live streaming.

Hunh. Couldn’t we do that already?

Two more slouchers on my couch til June or whenever?

No thanks, go get a job.

Good grief

Classes done primarily online leave job-seekers, in many cases, woefully unprepared when they're finished. I know we're trying to move away from the brick and mortar 4-year Universities, but I can say for certain that the classroom environment helped me greatly. Taking classes in your pajamas just doesn't strike me as a viable way to get a quality education, no matter how good the technology gets.

Correct... and the most important part of the education isn't the trivia you memorize, but the networking. You can't network behind a keyboard. Same thing at work. Meetings that aren't face to face are less productive and the relationships are weak. That is why companies still pay for travel to conferences, seminars, customer/teammate meetings etc.

lol, the term "botched" must have been in a talking point somewhere.

(03-12-2020 10:05 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 08:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  Think it will also lead to dramatic expansion of distance learning for colleges.

Two “kids” in college, both will now do live streaming.

Hunh. Couldn’t we do that already?

Two more slouchers on my couch til June or whenever?

No thanks, go get a job.

Good grief

Classes done primarily online leave job-seekers, in many cases, woefully unprepared when they're finished. I know we're trying to move away from the brick and mortar 4-year Universities, but I can say for certain that the classroom environment helped me greatly. Taking classes in your pajamas just doesn't strike me as a viable way to get a quality education, no matter how good the technology gets.

Well if you have a virtual meeting, that is different than simply studying on-line or a one way lecture.

(03-12-2020 10:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So I watched the speech last night, and was curious what Trump screwed up so badly, since so much has been written about it today.

1. He said all incoming travel was banned from Europe, except the UK and US citizens. He failed to mention Ireland was exempt as well, and the specific banned list has 23 countries on it, not all of them. He also omitted permanent foreign residents, I think. That seems like a speechwriter error, b/c the EU country list was already compiled.

2. He fumbled through a sentence about trade goods, and sort of made it sound like they were included too, although it's hard to make sense of. I think he may have mangled the words on the teleprompter, or it was just poorly worded. Trade continues as is.

3. Trump said that insurance company execs had agreed to waive the costs of coronavirus treatment, when it fact it was coronavirus testing. My guess is he read the word wrong. I caught that one when he said it. Obviously, insurance companies aren't paying for all treatments.

Within a few minutes after his speech, all three issues were clarified. Nobody died. Seems like an overreaction to me, especially considering things are in great flux, and this stuff is being decided and written up as they go.

The actions are important. Any confusion of the details was quickly cleared up.

The first is totally unimportant. He gave the general idea. Anyone would look up the specifics.
The second concerned me. But I interpreted it as extra precautions on imports rather than controls.
The third surprised me. That could cause some confusion.

(03-12-2020 10:19 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 10:05 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 08:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  Think it will also lead to dramatic expansion of distance learning for colleges.

Two “kids” in college, both will now do live streaming.

Hunh. Couldn’t we do that already?

Two more slouchers on my couch til June or whenever?

No thanks, go get a job.

Good grief

Classes done primarily online leave job-seekers, in many cases, woefully unprepared when they're finished. I know we're trying to move away from the brick and mortar 4-year Universities, but I can say for certain that the classroom environment helped me greatly. Taking classes in your pajamas just doesn't strike me as a viable way to get a quality education, no matter how good the technology gets.

Correct... and the most important part of the education isn't the trivia you memorize, but the networking. You can't network behind a keyboard. Same thing at work. Meetings that aren't face to face are less productive and the relationships are weak. That is why companies still pay for travel to conferences, seminars, customer/teammate meetings etc.

You must not have learned much if you think networking was the most important thing. Either that or you went to an Ivy League school where they come out dumber.

Not that networking is unimportant. But its an add-on, not an essential.

(03-12-2020 09:59 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 09:57 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 09:55 AM)Momus Wrote:  The markets seem to have a dismal opinion of Trump's botched response. But don't let an objectivity get in the way of your worship of the Cheeto-In-Chief.

Crawl back under your rock. This has nothing to do with Trump or his administration. The US markets are not independent of the world economy.

Except the futures fell the most during and right after his speech. Now, one could argue that the markets didn't like the travel ban which would make some sense.

That's what I meant by the US markets not being independent. Shutting down European trade and travel for a month will certainly impact not only the US, but foreign markets as well. The harm done by not taking more drastic actions like this now would be far greater.

I thought it was the co-pays that were being waived by all insurance companies, nothing further than that?

That was mentioned yesterday morning prior to the speech. Said by Pence.

(03-12-2020 10:10 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 07:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 07:24 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:36 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I noticed. And told my wife he sounded a little like Eddie Haskell. But he also seems to be doing the right things. But I'm a Memphis fan like you, so I really hate orange...

As a man without a party, I apparently have the choice in November of a Particularly Orangey Strange Dude, or a Senile Older Dude who should be in a nursing facility.

At least the economy has been super, and the POSD isn't coming for my guns, like the SOD and Beto, whom I'm sure would also screw up the economy, so...Orange is the new Green...

I agree with you. I didnt like Trump from the beginning. He is a buffoon and crass at every opportunity. He is doing a good job though. Anyone who can't see that is just blinded.

Even though I concede he is doing a good job, I was certainly hoping for a better candidate and they come up with Joe Biden.

Y’all both sound like me in 2016. Honestly I believe the DNC has rolled Joe out this go round because they have to have a candidate that might help them win some down the ticket races. Running Joe is symbolic of throwing in the towel.

All Joe has to do is win Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania; and his performance in Michigan was particularly encouraging. He beat Sanders in the areas of the state that Sanders beat Hillary. He’ll be a much more formidable opponent than Hillary ended up being.

The media can't hide his senility. And don't think America isn't seeing it daily.

Trump is going to have a blast with that on the campaign trail.


Cursing out people asking questions, calling them liars, and referring to women as horse-faces. It really makes me wonder... have the Dems seen that Trump's attitude is actually working for him and did they decide to take it to the next level?

It won't work. Either you've got it or you don't.

Trump has it. Biden definitely doesn't.

What does Trump have? It’s not as if he is a wordsmith. I realize his base loves the rhetoric and overlooks the flubs, but no one is going to confuse Donald Trump’s rhetorical skills with Barack Obama or Ronald Reagan. Trump was dreadful last night in his delivery, but I was appreciative he, at least, acknowledged the pandemic as something more than a political ploy. What a freakin’ narcissist.

(03-12-2020 10:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 10:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So I watched the speech last night, and was curious what Trump screwed up so badly, since so much has been written about it today.

1. He said all incoming travel was banned from Europe, except the UK and US citizens. He failed to mention Ireland was exempt as well, and the specific banned list has 23 countries on it, not all of them. He also omitted permanent foreign residents, I think. That seems like a speechwriter error, b/c the EU country list was already compiled.

2. He fumbled through a sentence about trade goods, and sort of made it sound like they were included too, although it's hard to make sense of. I think he may have mangled the words on the teleprompter, or it was just poorly worded. Trade continues as is.

3. Trump said that insurance company execs had agreed to waive the costs of coronavirus treatment, when it fact it was coronavirus testing. My guess is he read the word wrong. I caught that one when he said it. Obviously, insurance companies aren't paying for all treatments.

Within a few minutes after his speech, all three issues were clarified. Nobody died. Seems like an overreaction to me, especially considering things are in great flux, and this stuff is being decided and written up as they go.

The actions are important. Any confusion of the details was quickly cleared up.

The first is totally unimportant. He gave the general idea. Anyone would look up the specifics.
The second concerned me. But I interpreted it as extra precautions on imports rather than controls.
The third surprised me. That could cause some confusion.

I went back and read it again here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-ho...nse-2020-3

In #2, I think it should have read "exemptions" again, rather than prohibitions. The sentence is still clunky either way, but would have been more accurate and less confusing. On second reading, I think that was speechwriter error.

#3, as soon as he said it, I said, "That can't be right." I'm guessing Trump used the wrong word.

Didn't take long to clear things up, so no harm no foul. Unless peeps just want to b!tch.

(03-12-2020 08:45 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 08:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Replies from the cult all too predictable.

Can you imagine the outrage from you folks had this been President HRC or Joe totally botching 3 key policy changes/proposals in the most consequential speech of their presidency?

But for this guy it's "Heckuva job Orangey!"

Sad.

What did he botch?

Quote:First, the president risked sending markets tumbling even further when he announced, seemingly by accident, that “these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other things as we get approval”.

Second, Mr Trump failed to mention that the ban would not apply to American residents, citizens, or “generally” citizens’ immediate family members.

Third, the president claimed health insurance providers had agreed to waive their customers payments for coronavirus-related treatment.

White House forced to correct three mistakes in Trump’s coronavirus travel ban address

Some peeps need velcro straps for their wrists and foreheads.

(03-12-2020 10:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 10:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 10:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So I watched the speech last night, and was curious what Trump screwed up so badly, since so much has been written about it today.

1. He said all incoming travel was banned from Europe, except the UK and US citizens. He failed to mention Ireland was exempt as well, and the specific banned list has 23 countries on it, not all of them. He also omitted permanent foreign residents, I think. That seems like a speechwriter error, b/c the EU country list was already compiled.

2. He fumbled through a sentence about trade goods, and sort of made it sound like they were included too, although it's hard to make sense of. I think he may have mangled the words on the teleprompter, or it was just poorly worded. Trade continues as is.

3. Trump said that insurance company execs had agreed to waive the costs of coronavirus treatment, when it fact it was coronavirus testing. My guess is he read the word wrong. I caught that one when he said it. Obviously, insurance companies aren't paying for all treatments.

Within a few minutes after his speech, all three issues were clarified. Nobody died. Seems like an overreaction to me, especially considering things are in great flux, and this stuff is being decided and written up as they go.

The actions are important. Any confusion of the details was quickly cleared up.

The first is totally unimportant. He gave the general idea. Anyone would look up the specifics.
The second concerned me. But I interpreted it as extra precautions on imports rather than controls.
The third surprised me. That could cause some confusion.

I went back and read it again here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-ho...nse-2020-3

In #2, I think it should have read "exemptions" again, rather than prohibitions. The sentence is still clunky either way, but would have been more accurate and less confusing. On second reading, I think that was speechwriter error.

#3, as soon as he said it, I said, "That can't be right." I'm guessing Trump used the wrong word.

Didn't take long to clear things up, so no harm no foul. Unless peeps just want to b!tch.

Well I agreed with you on the 2nd. I wasn't clear exactly what he was saying. He was kind of awkward saying it.

Can't even read a teleprompter. SAD.

(03-12-2020 11:07 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  Can't even read a teleprompter. SAD.

Yeah, Biden is sooooooo much better.

One side rationally accepting the corrections made shortly after the speech. The other bitching about the delivery rather than listening to the message. Who is still playing politics with this one?