(02-20-2020 08:26 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 10:43 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Having been to Wallace Wade I can attest it's a solid 1-2 mile walk to anywhere you could plausibly park. Kenan isn't better and there's actual people competing for parking.

I walked at least a mile to the stadium when I was at the 11/9 ND/Duke game.

The walk at UVa is about the same.
Whether you park at the Fontaine research center or JPJ Arena/UHall the walk is about a mile, but the parking is free.

The walk at UVA is long for sure Pretty good tailgating out by UHall though.

(02-19-2020 11:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 11:12 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 10:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 09:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 12:39 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I meant slightly ahead in percentage of capacity. With Duke's small capacity it is an alarmingly low average attendance. I expected Pitt to have a low percentage because of the size of Heinz Field. If we had Duke's stadium we'd be over 100% capacity.

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I do believe with their steady mismanagement over the years, particularly the 90's and 00's, they may have killed their FB program indefinitely. They don't really show much interest in getting it back going either. If they limp to a bowl they seem to be happy. Wake has more loyal FB fans. And more of them.

As an outsider, I don't understand how their attendance can be so bad. By their standards, Cutcliffe has taken them basically to their Golden Era of Football. On top of that, there are a number of schools that would/should excite the local fan base coming into town each year, not to mention a few of the schools in the ACC would be bringing in a few thousand fans of their own to cap out the attendance.

They have Cutcliffe but I think their administration still has their own heads firmly and deeply up their own arse. Nobody with a brain who has played as bad as Duke as long as Duke schedules a 50 point beat down against Alabama on National Television. The argument made by Hallcity and other Duke fans was woah we got all these millions to get absolutely woodsheded and shamed by Bama for 3 hours. Yeah ... and how much will it cost you to dig out of that perception hole with recruits? What, having Alabama turn Wallace Wade Outdoor into an annex of Tuscaloosa didn't send home the message home firmly enough? Kevin White might be able to manage Coach K and his entourage just fine ... but I wouldn't let him breath on the GT FB program. He doesn't have a clue.

Oh no question there. Back in the 70s, 80s and even the first few years of the 90s Cincinnati used to line up those kind of games as well. Duke would be better served by scheduling someone like Rutgers (since there are a lot of people from that area who attend the school) routinely and middle to lower tier P5 schools OOC, not to mention G5 schools. They don't need the money to be Alabama's whipping boy.

Duke may do better by scheduling Rutgers, but don't expect Rutgers to bite. Schiano is back at the helm and he never liked anything tougher than a cream puff for OOC.

(02-18-2020 01:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  BTW, I ran the math and it turns out that Kaplony is right - going to 9 conference games would end up costing Clemson a lot of money in years when they only got 6 home games instead of 7. You guys probably hate me saying that, but I'm just reporting the numbers... you have to have attendance less than 85% capacity AND the prospect of selling out all 6 home games to make up for the lost 7th game.

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OTOH, I'm pretty sure NC State could improve revenue with a little better scheduling...

TBH, plenty of "paper tigers" among that list.

see also: https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2020/...r-fcs.html

From the SEC, I can see Arkansas and Ole Miss, but Mississippi State??? Texas A&M????? No wonder Joe Moorhead was fired!!! Jimbo Fisher's seat will probably get warm also.

NC State's P5 vs FCS stat is a little deceiving. Here's why....in the early part of that time frame, the Pack played a lot of Big East teams that are now in the American. Those include UConn, Cincy and South Florida. So while they were in a BCS conference at the time the game was played, they no longer "count" in the statistic.

I also recall several P5 games scheduled but later bought out for whatever reason. We had a home and home schedule with Pitt but Pitt joined the ACC before we could get back up there to finish the deal. I also recall having LSU, Tenn and Okie State scheduled. We got to play Tenn but it was the Chick Fil A game in Atlanta. The home/home was canceled. Our games with LSU were canceled and LSU mysteriously replaced us with Syracuse. I have no idea what happened to Okie State.

Additionally, we have always played ECU on the regular. If ECU didn't have that game, holy hell would break out in the state legislature. So that takes away one opportunity for us to schedule a P5. Especially in years when we also play Notre Dame....who is scheduled by the ACC.

Lastly, we scheduled West Virginia in '18 and it got wiped out by a Hurricane. They were replaced, of course, by our good friends at ECU. We went to Morgantown in '19.

Going forward we have a P5 team on the schedule for the foreseeable future....beginning with Miss State over the next two years.

(02-21-2020 02:42 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  NC State's P5 vs FCS stat is a little deceiving. Here's why....in the early part of that time frame, the Pack played a lot of Big East teams that are now in the American. Those include UConn, Cincy and South Florida. So while they were in a BCS conference at the time the game was played, they no longer "count" in the statistic.

Additionally, we have always played ECU on the regular. If ECU didn't have that game, holy hell would break out in the state legislature. So that takes away one opportunity for us to schedule a P5. Especially in years when we also play Notre Dame....who is scheduled by the ACC.

Lastly, we scheduled West Virginia in '18 and it got wiped out by a Hurricane. They were replaced, of course, by our good friends at ECU. We went to Morgantown in '19.

Going forward we have a P5 team on the schedule for the foreseeable future....beginning with Miss State over the next two years.

Just stop.

Despite playing South Carolina every single year Clemson has managed to play a second BCS/P5 opponent every year but one since 2008. The one season we did not play a second BCS/P5 opponent we played a TCU team that went 12-1 and only lost to Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl that year.

It's OK to admit that NC State scheduled soft in an attempt to inflate their record. Everybody else in the world knows it to be fact. It's how Kansas State became a household name.

What you should be ashamed of is the fact that you have absolutely nothing to show for it.

(02-21-2020 02:42 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  NC State's P5 vs FCS stat is a little deceiving. Here's why....in the early part of that time frame, the Pack played a lot of Big East teams that are now in the American. Those include UConn, Cincy and South Florida. So while they were in a BCS conference at the time the game was played, they no longer "count" in the statistic.

I also recall several P5 games scheduled but later bought out for whatever reason. We had a home and home schedule with Pitt but Pitt joined the ACC before we could get back up there to finish the deal. I also recall having LSU, Tenn and Okie State scheduled. We got to play Tenn but it was the Chick Fil A game in Atlanta. The home/home was canceled. Our games with LSU were canceled and LSU mysteriously replaced us with Syracuse. I have no idea what happened to Okie State.

Additionally, we have always played ECU on the regular. If ECU didn't have that game, holy hell would break out in the state legislature. So that takes away one opportunity for us to schedule a P5. Especially in years when we also play Notre Dame....who is scheduled by the ACC.

Lastly, we scheduled West Virginia in '18 and it got wiped out by a Hurricane. They were replaced, of course, by our good friends at ECU. We went to Morgantown in '19.

Going forward we have a P5 team on the schedule for the foreseeable future....beginning with Miss State over the next two years.

In the last 20 years State's played 59 schools in the top 25 when the game was played and/or at the end of the season. That's three such games a year. 30 of those games were against top 15 opponents. Last year was the first year in decades that we only played one such school. For those that have problems with statitstics and math, if you are a top ten or top 5 school, you don't schedule yourself. I'm sure Kap would schedule himself every day if possible.

When Clemson makes out a football schedule they only have to worry about Florida State in the Atlantic Division. NC State or Syracuse or WF for that matter have to worry about FSU and Clemson. In 14 of the 20 years, FSU has been ranked. Ranked in the top 10 5 of those years. Clemson has been ranked 14 of the 20 years and in the top 10 6 times. Ohio State, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and ND have been ranked in the top 10 a total of 6 times.

Given that South Carolina sucks most years and that Clemson doesn't have to play itself I guess you do have room for a high profile SEC game that you have the chance to win. Good for Clemson.

Speaking of the chickens, they finished the season ranked just 5 times in the last 20 years 2001 and 2010 - 2013. That's hardly and epic SEC rival - not like Georgia, Auburn, or say Alabama.

I'd love to play Ohio State, Alabama, or Texas again like we did in the 90's and 00's but since we don't control our schedule, we don't have the horses to risk playing Alabama, Florida State, and Clemson over a span of 4-6 weeks given our inability to get up for Wake Forest. Move us to the Coastal and we promise to replace Clemson and FSU with a top p-5 OOC game it would a welcome change of scenery.

(02-21-2020 02:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 02:42 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  NC State's P5 vs FCS stat is a little deceiving. Here's why....in the early part of that time frame, the Pack played a lot of Big East teams that are now in the American. Those include UConn, Cincy and South Florida. So while they were in a BCS conference at the time the game was played, they no longer "count" in the statistic.

Additionally, we have always played ECU on the regular. If ECU didn't have that game, holy hell would break out in the state legislature. So that takes away one opportunity for us to schedule a P5. Especially in years when we also play Notre Dame....who is scheduled by the ACC.

Lastly, we scheduled West Virginia in '18 and it got wiped out by a Hurricane. They were replaced, of course, by our good friends at ECU. We went to Morgantown in '19.

Going forward we have a P5 team on the schedule for the foreseeable future....beginning with Miss State over the next two years.

Just stop.

Despite playing South Carolina every single year Clemson has managed to play a second BCS/P5 opponent every year but one since 2008. The one season we did not play a second BCS/P5 opponent we played a TCU team that went 12-1 and only lost to Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl that year.

It's OK to admit that NC State scheduled soft in an attempt to inflate their record. Everybody else in the world knows it to be fact. It's how Kansas State became a household name.

What you should be ashamed of is the fact that you have absolutely nothing to show for it.

Your response has nothing to do with my post. If you think it's too light, then fine. My post is about the tweet and how there's more to the story as I laid out.

Clemson has a better football program than NC State. The Tigers SHOULD have a different scheduling philosophy.

K-State is a household name?

(02-21-2020 04:52 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 02:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 02:42 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  NC State's P5 vs FCS stat is a little deceiving. Here's why....in the early part of that time frame, the Pack played a lot of Big East teams that are now in the American. Those include UConn, Cincy and South Florida. So while they were in a BCS conference at the time the game was played, they no longer "count" in the statistic.

Additionally, we have always played ECU on the regular. If ECU didn't have that game, holy hell would break out in the state legislature. So that takes away one opportunity for us to schedule a P5. Especially in years when we also play Notre Dame....who is scheduled by the ACC.

Lastly, we scheduled West Virginia in '18 and it got wiped out by a Hurricane. They were replaced, of course, by our good friends at ECU. We went to Morgantown in '19.

Going forward we have a P5 team on the schedule for the foreseeable future....beginning with Miss State over the next two years.

Just stop.

Despite playing South Carolina every single year Clemson has managed to play a second BCS/P5 opponent every year but one since 2008. The one season we did not play a second BCS/P5 opponent we played a TCU team that went 12-1 and only lost to Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl that year.

It's OK to admit that NC State scheduled soft in an attempt to inflate their record. Everybody else in the world knows it to be fact. It's how Kansas State became a household name.

What you should be ashamed of is the fact that you have absolutely nothing to show for it.

Your response has nothing to do with my post. If you think it's too light, then fine. My post is about the tweet and how there's more to the story as I laid out.

Clemson has a better football program than NC State. The Tigers SHOULD have a different scheduling philosophy.

K-State is a household name?

None of the FCS teams you played downgraded from the Big East.

The years you played a FCS team and three G5 teams out of conference has nothing to do with teams downgrading from the Big East.

There is absolutely no reason why NC State shouldn't have as good of a football program as Clemson, other than NC State's own incompetence. Nothing but your own athletic department and administration is keeping you from taking advantage of the fact that the only other public P5 school in the state thinks football is a sideshow, and the other two P5 schools are small privates. Nobody but NC State's own athletic department and administration is making y'all keep a coach who after seven years at the helm is 14 games under .500 in conference. Nobody made y'all schedule so weakly to end up on the list you are trying so hard to defend but failing. And the facts are y'all deserve exactly what you go because instead of holding your athletic department and administration to the fire about your entire athletic department being a steaming heap of mediocrity y'all just make excuses.

And Kansas State is most certainly a household name. Everybody knows Bill Snyder, and they've been to a major bowl six times more than NC State, primarily because they built off of playing cupcakes. Y'all just got full and stopped trying once conference play started.

(02-21-2020 04:40 PM)Statefan Wrote:  NOTHING BUT EXCUSES

Edited for brevity.


And FYI, when Clemson makes out a schedule Clemson isn't worried about FSU or anyone else. Clemson is worried about Clemson being the best they possibly can be, but I guess when you are scared you schedule scared.

(02-22-2020 06:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 04:52 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 02:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 02:42 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  NC State's P5 vs FCS stat is a little deceiving. Here's why....in the early part of that time frame, the Pack played a lot of Big East teams that are now in the American. Those include UConn, Cincy and South Florida. So while they were in a BCS conference at the time the game was played, they no longer "count" in the statistic.

Additionally, we have always played ECU on the regular. If ECU didn't have that game, holy hell would break out in the state legislature. So that takes away one opportunity for us to schedule a P5. Especially in years when we also play Notre Dame....who is scheduled by the ACC.

Lastly, we scheduled West Virginia in '18 and it got wiped out by a Hurricane. They were replaced, of course, by our good friends at ECU. We went to Morgantown in '19.

Going forward we have a P5 team on the schedule for the foreseeable future....beginning with Miss State over the next two years.

Just stop.

Despite playing South Carolina every single year Clemson has managed to play a second BCS/P5 opponent every year but one since 2008. The one season we did not play a second BCS/P5 opponent we played a TCU team that went 12-1 and only lost to Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl that year.

It's OK to admit that NC State scheduled soft in an attempt to inflate their record. Everybody else in the world knows it to be fact. It's how Kansas State became a household name.

What you should be ashamed of is the fact that you have absolutely nothing to show for it.

Your response has nothing to do with my post. If you think it's too light, then fine. My post is about the tweet and how there's more to the story as I laid out.

Clemson has a better football program than NC State. The Tigers SHOULD have a different scheduling philosophy.

K-State is a household name?

None of the FCS teams you played downgraded from the Big East.

The years you played a FCS team and three G5 teams out of conference has nothing to do with teams downgrading from the Big East.

There is absolutely no reason why NC State shouldn't have as good of a football program as Clemson, other than NC State's own incompetence. Nothing but your own athletic department and administration is keeping you from taking advantage of the fact that the only other public P5 school in the state thinks football is a sideshow, and the other two P5 schools are small privates. Nobody but NC State's own athletic department and administration is making y'all keep a coach who after seven years at the helm is 14 games under .500 in conference. Nobody made y'all schedule so weakly to end up on the list you are trying so hard to defend but failing. And the facts are y'all deserve exactly what you go because instead of holding your athletic department and administration to the fire about your entire athletic department being a steaming heap of mediocrity y'all just make excuses.

And Kansas State is most certainly a household name. Everybody knows Bill Snyder, and they've been to a major bowl six times more than NC State, primarily because they built off of playing cupcakes. Y'all just got full and stopped trying once conference play started.

Do you feel better now? See my previous post because all you did was take the opportunity to post something totally unrelated to my point about NCSU's scheduling relative to that tweet.

Even mighty Clemson has scheduled FCS teams. Give us a break.

And our athletic dept as a whole is doing quite well. It's just football and men's basketball that is mediocre as hell.

(02-24-2020 07:43 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  Even mighty Clemson has scheduled FCS teams. Give us a break.

In SC the legislature has poked and prodded USC-e and Clemson into playing an in state FCS team every year. It's pretty obvious why you'd do that if you're the SC legislature: You use the big boys to financially prop up the little boys. Shy of the ACC or NCAA or Disney mandating the removal of FCS games you're not going to stop Clemson and USC-e from playing an in state FCS every year.

(02-25-2020 01:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 07:43 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  Even mighty Clemson has scheduled FCS teams. Give us a break.

In SC the legislature has poked and prodded USC-e and Clemson into playing an in state FCS team every year. It's pretty obvious why you'd do that if you're the SC legislature: You use the big boys to financially prop up the little boys. Shy of the ACC or NCAA or Disney mandating the removal of FCS games you're not going to stop Clemson and USC-e from playing an in state FCS every year.

...and I don't mind this, under the current setup in college football.

What chaps my fanny is teams that schedule out-of-state FCS teams -- like there's no FCS teams in your state?!?


(and yes, VT has been guilty of this!)

(02-25-2020 01:50 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...and I don't mind this, under the current setup in college football.

What chaps my fanny is teams that schedule out-of-state FCS teams -- like there's no FCS teams in your state?!?


(and yes, VT has been guilty of this!)

Depends on the situation. If you're in a hub metro the FCS teams come to you because they want to play there because that's where their alumni are. GT does this with HBCUs a fair amount. GT playing Alcorn State makes more sense for all parties involved than GT playing Savannah State.

(02-25-2020 01:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 01:50 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...and I don't mind this, under the current setup in college football.

What chaps my fanny is teams that schedule out-of-state FCS teams -- like there's no FCS teams in your state?!?


(and yes, VT has been guilty of this!)

Depends on the situation. If you're in a hub metro the FCS teams come to you because they want to play there because that's where their alumni are. GT does this with HBCUs a fair amount. GT playing Alcorn State makes more sense for all parties involved than GT playing Savannah State.

GT should play Savannah State... on an aircraft carrier anchored off the coast of Georgia. I'd watch that.

(02-25-2020 03:22 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 01:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 01:50 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...and I don't mind this, under the current setup in college football.

What chaps my fanny is teams that schedule out-of-state FCS teams -- like there's no FCS teams in your state?!?


(and yes, VT has been guilty of this!)

Depends on the situation. If you're in a hub metro the FCS teams come to you because they want to play there because that's where their alumni are. GT does this with HBCUs a fair amount. GT playing Alcorn State makes more sense for all parties involved than GT playing Savannah State.

GT should play Savannah State... on an aircraft carrier anchored off the coast of Georgia. I'd watch that.

GT-Savannah vs Savannah State. GT might still win.

(02-19-2020 02:51 PM)Statefan Wrote:  How many major college football tickets are you going to sell into one metro area? Duke, UNC, and NC State are selling almost 900,000 tickets into the market just for football and another 900,000 into the market for basketball. The only reason Duke gets an average of $200 a ticket for basketball is because there are so few seats (about 6500 per game) versus the demand. If State and UNC still played in Reynolds or Carmichael that would mean 350,000 fewer tickets for those two to sell for basketball.

This is before taking into account East Carolina football, Carolina Hurricanes hockey, and Carolina Panthers football all three of which provide an alternative entertainment pathway for people's dollars in the region.

Dukes graduates tend not to stay in NC. You can't tailgate at Kenan Stadium. You can't park at Wallace Wade. The students can't walk to Carter-Finley. About 30 years ago some folks tried to float the idea of a communal stadium in the center of the Triangle. It of course died the death the idea deserved. It is a clear advantage in football to be the only game in town in a community that is not impacted by direct competition for entertainment dollars. In the ACC these towns are Tallahassee, Clemson, Syracuse, Louisville, Charlottesville,and Blacksburg. Winston Salem to a lesser degree. Of course this has been the formula in Happy Valley, Columbus, Tuscaloosa, and Knoxville, etc.

So NC State is competing with the Panthers, a team located 170 miles from them, for entertainment dollars, but you fail to list all the other sports entertainment options within 170 miles of the other locations you mentioned.

That means Ohio State competes with Bengals football, Browns football, Indians baseball, Reds baseball, Cavaliers basketball, Pacers Basketball, Colts Football, Blue Jackets hockey, and Crew soccer. Not to mention UC football and basketball, Dayton and Xavier basketball etc.

(03-06-2020 02:35 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 02:51 PM)Statefan Wrote:  How many major college football tickets are you going to sell into one metro area? Duke, UNC, and NC State are selling almost 900,000 tickets into the market just for football and another 900,000 into the market for basketball. The only reason Duke gets an average of $200 a ticket for basketball is because there are so few seats (about 6500 per game) versus the demand. If State and UNC still played in Reynolds or Carmichael that would mean 350,000 fewer tickets for those two to sell for basketball.

This is before taking into account East Carolina football, Carolina Hurricanes hockey, and Carolina Panthers football all three of which provide an alternative entertainment pathway for people's dollars in the region.

Dukes graduates tend not to stay in NC. You can't tailgate at Kenan Stadium. You can't park at Wallace Wade. The students can't walk to Carter-Finley. About 30 years ago some folks tried to float the idea of a communal stadium in the center of the Triangle. It of course died the death the idea deserved. It is a clear advantage in football to be the only game in town in a community that is not impacted by direct competition for entertainment dollars. In the ACC these towns are Tallahassee, Clemson, Syracuse, Louisville, Charlottesville,and Blacksburg. Winston Salem to a lesser degree. Of course this has been the formula in Happy Valley, Columbus, Tuscaloosa, and Knoxville, etc.

So NC State is competing with the Panthers, a team located 170 miles from them, for entertainment dollars, but you fail to list all the other sports entertainment options within 170 miles of the other locations you mentioned.

That means Ohio State competes with Bengals football, Browns football, Indians baseball, Reds baseball, Cavaliers basketball, Pacers Basketball, Colts Football, Blue Jackets hockey, and Crew soccer. Not to mention UC football and basketball, Dayton and Xavier basketball etc.

Besides the Panthers and ECU comment, everything makes sense.

Ohio State doesn’t compete with any other college football team in their state. You’ll see Ohio State garb being worn across every campus in Ohio.

(03-06-2020 02:35 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 02:51 PM)Statefan Wrote:  How many major college football tickets are you going to sell into one metro area? Duke, UNC, and NC State are selling almost 900,000 tickets into the market just for football and another 900,000 into the market for basketball. The only reason Duke gets an average of $200 a ticket for basketball is because there are so few seats (about 6500 per game) versus the demand. If State and UNC still played in Reynolds or Carmichael that would mean 350,000 fewer tickets for those two to sell for basketball.

This is before taking into account East Carolina football, Carolina Hurricanes hockey, and Carolina Panthers football all three of which provide an alternative entertainment pathway for people's dollars in the region.

Dukes graduates tend not to stay in NC. You can't tailgate at Kenan Stadium. You can't park at Wallace Wade. The students can't walk to Carter-Finley. About 30 years ago some folks tried to float the idea of a communal stadium in the center of the Triangle. It of course died the death the idea deserved. It is a clear advantage in football to be the only game in town in a community that is not impacted by direct competition for entertainment dollars. In the ACC these towns are Tallahassee, Clemson, Syracuse, Louisville, Charlottesville,and Blacksburg. Winston Salem to a lesser degree. Of course this has been the formula in Happy Valley, Columbus, Tuscaloosa, and Knoxville, etc.

So NC State is competing with the Panthers, a team located 170 miles from them, for entertainment dollars, but you fail to list all the other sports entertainment options within 170 miles of the other locations you mentioned.

That means Ohio State competes with Bengals football, Browns football, Indians baseball, Reds baseball, Cavaliers basketball, Pacers Basketball, Colts Football, Blue Jackets hockey, and Crew soccer. Not to mention UC football and basketball, Dayton and Xavier basketball etc.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Just saying, NCSt draws pretty darn good in Football.

The several times I've been there it was nearly full.

Other than Clemson, there was not much in the ACC for the casual fan to get excited about.