https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...g-carousel
It’s ESPN+, so I’ll quote the part where they mention us.

“17. If there's a job outside the power-seven schools to generate some national headlines, it could be Grand Canyon. Dan Majerle hasn't done a bad job with the Antelopes, but with the money the school has spent on the basketball program, zero NCAA tournaments in seven seasons -- and a 12-17 record this season -- simply isn't getting it done. The program has all the resources needed to build a successful program, and I'd expect the coaching search to reflect that. Saint Mary's boss Randy Bennett, an Arizona native, likely would be the first call. They could also look to make a massive splash and try to pursue someone along the lines of Rick Pitino.

18. Will any high-major schools make a move earlier than expected? There are always a couple of moves that feel a bit premature, with last year seeing St. John's, Arkansas and Alabama all changing coaches a year earlier than projected. Outside of the seven we've named so far, it's hard to find anyone who could be in trouble. It seems far-fetched to think that Utah (Larry Krystkowiak) or South Carolina (Frank Martin) would make a move, same with the AAC trio of Tulsa (Frank Haith), SMU (Tim Jankovich) and South Florida (Brian Gregory).”

(03-05-2020 10:57 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...g-carousel
It’s ESPN+, so I’ll quote the part where they mention us.

“17. If there's a job outside the power-seven schools to generate some national headlines, it could be Grand Canyon. Dan Majerle hasn't done a bad job with the Antelopes, but with the money the school has spent on the basketball program, zero NCAA tournaments in seven seasons -- and a 12-17 record this season -- simply isn't getting it done. The program has all the resources needed to build a successful program, and I'd expect the coaching search to reflect that. Saint Mary's boss Randy Bennett, an Arizona native, likely would be the first call. They could also look to make a massive splash and try to pursue someone along the lines of Rick Pitino.

18. Will any high-major schools make a move earlier than expected? There are always a couple of moves that feel a bit premature, with last year seeing St. John's, Arkansas and Alabama all changing coaches a year earlier than projected. Outside of the seven we've named so far, it's hard to find anyone who could be in trouble. It seems far-fetched to think that Utah (Larry Krystkowiak) or South Carolina (Frank Martin) would make a move, same with the AAC trio of Tulsa (Frank Haith), SMU (Tim Jankovich) and South Florida (Brian Gregory).”

Great catch; thanks for posting. All I can say is "as it should be". Suggesting that P5, a term describing college football classification only was ever applicable to sorting college basketball's power structure was poor journalism. ESPN needs to educate many of their in-game announcers and studio hosts on this matter. Six of the past 21 national championship banners hang at non-P5 universities.

(03-05-2020 11:26 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 10:57 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...g-carousel
It’s ESPN+, so I’ll quote the part where they mention us.

“17. If there's a job outside the power-seven schools to generate some national headlines, it could be Grand Canyon. Dan Majerle hasn't done a bad job with the Antelopes, but with the money the school has spent on the basketball program, zero NCAA tournaments in seven seasons -- and a 12-17 record this season -- simply isn't getting it done. The program has all the resources needed to build a successful program, and I'd expect the coaching search to reflect that. Saint Mary's boss Randy Bennett, an Arizona native, likely would be the first call. They could also look to make a massive splash and try to pursue someone along the lines of Rick Pitino.

18. Will any high-major schools make a move earlier than expected? There are always a couple of moves that feel a bit premature, with last year seeing St. John's, Arkansas and Alabama all changing coaches a year earlier than projected. Outside of the seven we've named so far, it's hard to find anyone who could be in trouble. It seems far-fetched to think that Utah (Larry Krystkowiak) or South Carolina (Frank Martin) would make a move, same with the AAC trio of Tulsa (Frank Haith), SMU (Tim Jankovich) and South Florida (Brian Gregory).”

Great catch; thanks for posting. All I can say is "as it should be". Suggesting that P5, a term describing college football classification only was ever applicable to sorting college basketball's power structure was poor journalism. ESPN needs to educate many of their in-game announcers and studio hosts on this matter. Six of the past 21 national championship banners hang at non-P5 universities.

Another thing I find interesting is that Villanova has the last 3 national championships for schools who currently don’t have a D1 football program. Only them and UConn (before moving to D1) have been able to win the NCAA Tournament without a football program since 1985.

(03-05-2020 12:09 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 11:26 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 10:57 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...g-carousel
It’s ESPN+, so I’ll quote the part where they mention us.

“17. If there's a job outside the power-seven schools to generate some national headlines, it could be Grand Canyon. Dan Majerle hasn't done a bad job with the Antelopes, but with the money the school has spent on the basketball program, zero NCAA tournaments in seven seasons -- and a 12-17 record this season -- simply isn't getting it done. The program has all the resources needed to build a successful program, and I'd expect the coaching search to reflect that. Saint Mary's boss Randy Bennett, an Arizona native, likely would be the first call. They could also look to make a massive splash and try to pursue someone along the lines of Rick Pitino.

18. Will any high-major schools make a move earlier than expected? There are always a couple of moves that feel a bit premature, with last year seeing St. John's, Arkansas and Alabama all changing coaches a year earlier than projected. Outside of the seven we've named so far, it's hard to find anyone who could be in trouble. It seems far-fetched to think that Utah (Larry Krystkowiak) or South Carolina (Frank Martin) would make a move, same with the AAC trio of Tulsa (Frank Haith), SMU (Tim Jankovich) and South Florida (Brian Gregory).”

Great catch; thanks for posting. All I can say is "as it should be". Suggesting that P5, a term describing college football classification only was ever applicable to sorting college basketball's power structure was poor journalism. ESPN needs to educate many of their in-game announcers and studio hosts on this matter. Six of the past 21 national championship banners hang at non-P5 universities.

Another thing I find interesting is that Villanova has the last 3 national championships for schools who currently don’t have a D1 football program. Only them and UConn (before moving to D1) have been able to win the NCAA Tournament without a football program since 1985.

Villanova's football program is D1. UConn's football program has been D1 since 1978 iirc.

(03-05-2020 12:12 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:09 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 11:26 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 10:57 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...g-carousel
It’s ESPN+, so I’ll quote the part where they mention us.

“17. If there's a job outside the power-seven schools to generate some national headlines, it could be Grand Canyon. Dan Majerle hasn't done a bad job with the Antelopes, but with the money the school has spent on the basketball program, zero NCAA tournaments in seven seasons -- and a 12-17 record this season -- simply isn't getting it done. The program has all the resources needed to build a successful program, and I'd expect the coaching search to reflect that. Saint Mary's boss Randy Bennett, an Arizona native, likely would be the first call. They could also look to make a massive splash and try to pursue someone along the lines of Rick Pitino.

18. Will any high-major schools make a move earlier than expected? There are always a couple of moves that feel a bit premature, with last year seeing St. John's, Arkansas and Alabama all changing coaches a year earlier than projected. Outside of the seven we've named so far, it's hard to find anyone who could be in trouble. It seems far-fetched to think that Utah (Larry Krystkowiak) or South Carolina (Frank Martin) would make a move, same with the AAC trio of Tulsa (Frank Haith), SMU (Tim Jankovich) and South Florida (Brian Gregory).”

Great catch; thanks for posting. All I can say is "as it should be". Suggesting that P5, a term describing college football classification only was ever applicable to sorting college basketball's power structure was poor journalism. ESPN needs to educate many of their in-game announcers and studio hosts on this matter. Six of the past 21 national championship banners hang at non-P5 universities.

Another thing I find interesting is that Villanova has the last 3 national championships for schools who currently don’t have a D1 football program. Only them and UConn (before moving to D1) have been able to win the NCAA Tournament without a football program since 1985.

Villanova's football program is D1. UConn's football program has been D1 since 1978 iirc.

You know what I meant.

(03-05-2020 12:36 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:12 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:09 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 11:26 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 10:57 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...g-carousel
It’s ESPN+, so I’ll quote the part where they mention us.

“17. If there's a job outside the power-seven schools to generate some national headlines, it could be Grand Canyon. Dan Majerle hasn't done a bad job with the Antelopes, but with the money the school has spent on the basketball program, zero NCAA tournaments in seven seasons -- and a 12-17 record this season -- simply isn't getting it done. The program has all the resources needed to build a successful program, and I'd expect the coaching search to reflect that. Saint Mary's boss Randy Bennett, an Arizona native, likely would be the first call. They could also look to make a massive splash and try to pursue someone along the lines of Rick Pitino.

18. Will any high-major schools make a move earlier than expected? There are always a couple of moves that feel a bit premature, with last year seeing St. John's, Arkansas and Alabama all changing coaches a year earlier than projected. Outside of the seven we've named so far, it's hard to find anyone who could be in trouble. It seems far-fetched to think that Utah (Larry Krystkowiak) or South Carolina (Frank Martin) would make a move, same with the AAC trio of Tulsa (Frank Haith), SMU (Tim Jankovich) and South Florida (Brian Gregory).”

Great catch; thanks for posting. All I can say is "as it should be". Suggesting that P5, a term describing college football classification only was ever applicable to sorting college basketball's power structure was poor journalism. ESPN needs to educate many of their in-game announcers and studio hosts on this matter. Six of the past 21 national championship banners hang at non-P5 universities.

Another thing I find interesting is that Villanova has the last 3 national championships for schools who currently don’t have a D1 football program. Only them and UConn (before moving to D1) have been able to win the NCAA Tournament without a football program since 1985.

Villanova's football program is D1. UConn's football program has been D1 since 1978 iirc.

You know what I meant.

Definitely didn't. Sadly, there's "college sports fans" who don't know the difference between D1 (FBS/FCS) and D2. All comes back to the "Dayton Rule" I suppose....

(03-05-2020 10:57 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...g-carousel
It’s ESPN+, so I’ll quote the part where they mention us.

“17. If there's a job outside the power-seven schools to generate some national headlines, it could be Grand Canyon. Dan Majerle hasn't done a bad job with the Antelopes, but with the money the school has spent on the basketball program, zero NCAA tournaments in seven seasons -- and a 12-17 record this season -- simply isn't getting it done. The program has all the resources needed to build a successful program, and I'd expect the coaching search to reflect that. Saint Mary's boss Randy Bennett, an Arizona native, likely would be the first call. They could also look to make a massive splash and try to pursue someone along the lines of Rick Pitino.

18. Will any high-major schools make a move earlier than expected? There are always a couple of moves that feel a bit premature, with last year seeing St. John's, Arkansas and Alabama all changing coaches a year earlier than projected. Outside of the seven we've named so far, it's hard to find anyone who could be in trouble. It seems far-fetched to think that Utah (Larry Krystkowiak) or South Carolina (Frank Martin) would make a move, same with the AAC trio of Tulsa (Frank Haith), SMU (Tim Jankovich) and South Florida (Brian Gregory).”

God I hope Rick Pitino ends up coaching Grand Canyon, lol.

Definitely nice to see some love shown to the AAC. I think I remember seeing the phrase "major 7" a couple years back, but this is even better.

Since there's 32 conferences one could divide them into quadrants when grouping conferences, if one desired. I personally like to label them "High major" for the top 8 conferences, "mid major" for the next 16, then "low major" for the final 8.

I think the power label has a chance to stick though

(03-05-2020 01:48 PM)Nameless Wrote:  Definitely nice to see some love shown to the AAC. I think I remember seeing the phrase "major 7" a couple years back, but this is even better.

Since there's 32 conferences one could divide them into quadrants when grouping conferences, if one desired. I personally like to label them "High major" for the top 8 conferences, "mid major" for the next 16, then "low major" for the final 8.

I think the power label has a chance to stick though

I agree, I’m used to the “Power 6” bs that they usually say when talking about basketball, I was kind of surprised to see ESPN promoting the conference, especially on a down year. I guess that $1B investment might have something to do with it haha.

(03-05-2020 12:09 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Another thing I find interesting is that Villanova has the last 3 national championships for schools who currently don’t have a D1 football program. Only them and UConn (before moving to D1) have been able to win the NCAA Tournament without a football program since 1985.

What do you find that is so interesting about this?

Is the point that, with the various changes to the structure of college sports, it has become much harder for bball teams from schools without major FB programs to win the NCAA tournament?

Perhaps it would suggest that the way things were before 1985 was fairer, because back then, a school's BB team could win a NCAA championship without having a FB program of any kind.

Those schools with FBS programs, and especially the P5 schools perhaps prefer it that way, since the idea of making the playing field fair is the very antithesis of their monopolistic modus operandi.

But the fact that Marquette University managed to win a national championship and to be one of the nation's top basketball schools for most of a decade in the 1970s sets them apart in this respect, and this makes the achievements of Marquette's basketball teams in that era even more remarkable and brilliant in comparison to all the teams that had the advantage of having FB teams in powerhouse conferences.

Al McGuire was a brilliant Head Coach. Those Marquette teams were fantastic!

(03-06-2020 03:47 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:09 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Another thing I find interesting is that Villanova has the last 3 national championships for schools who currently don’t have a D1 football program. Only them and UConn (before moving to D1) have been able to win the NCAA Tournament without a football program since 1985.

What do you find that is so interesting about this?

Is the point that, with the various changes to the structure of college sports, it has become much harder for bball teams from schools without major FB programs to win the NCAA tournament?

Perhaps it would suggest that the way things were before 1985 was fairer, because back then, a school's BB team could win a NCAA championship without having a FB program of any kind.

Those schools with FBS programs, and especially the P5 schools perhaps prefer it that way, since the idea of making the playing field fair is the very antithesis of their monopolistic modus operandi.

But the fact that Marquette University managed to win a national championship and to be one of the nation's top basketball schools for most of a decade in the 1970s sets them apart in this respect, and this makes the achievements of Marquette's basketball teams in that era even more remarkable and brilliant in comparison to all the teams that had the advantage of having FB teams in powerhouse conferences.

Al McGuire was a brilliant Head Coach. Those Marquette teams were fantastic!

While no one has gotten over the hump like Marquette in 1977 there have been schools that have been able to establish elite basketball to really good programs without having a football program of any kind. Gonzaga is obviously the first program that comes to mind. Ironically, St. Mary's program took off in the WCC once they dropped football following the 2003. I was at the St. Mary's-Lehigh game the Gael's last year.

Xavier has had some big success too. I know they haven't made it to the Final 4 but there's been numerous deep runs and I also think the Muskies reached #1 at some point in the last decade. They definitely spent a good amount of time in the Top 10.

Wichita State has been quite good the last 10-15 years and have history of success going back further. Marquette remains a tournament presence. The Golden Eagles have also enjoyed a major presence in the NBA with Wade and Butler. Seton Hall made the title game in '89 when they were a yearly force under Carlesimo. Since then the Pirates have been up and down. Providence has always been good with a quality coach (Pitino, Barnes, Gillian and Cooley in my time).

These are the teams to reach the Final 4 without football post '85...
'87 Providence
'89 Seton Hall (finalist)
'03 Marquette
'06 George Mason
'11 VCU
'13 Wichita State
'17 Gonzaga (finalist)
'18 Loyola (IL)

(03-06-2020 03:47 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:09 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Another thing I find interesting is that Villanova has the last 3 national championships for schools who currently don’t have a D1 football program. Only them and UConn (before moving to D1) have been able to win the NCAA Tournament without a football program since 1985.

What do you find that is so interesting about this?

Is the point that, with the various changes to the structure of college sports, it has become much harder for bball teams from schools without major FB programs to win the NCAA tournament?

Perhaps it would suggest that the way things were before 1985 was fairer, because back then, a school's BB team could win a NCAA championship without having a FB program of any kind.

Those schools with FBS programs, and especially the P5 schools perhaps prefer it that way, since the idea of making the playing field fair is the very antithesis of their monopolistic modus operandi.

But the fact that Marquette University managed to win a national championship and to be one of the nation's top basketball schools for most of a decade in the 1970s sets them apart in this respect, and this makes the achievements of Marquette's basketball teams in that era even more remarkable and brilliant in comparison to all the teams that had the advantage of having FB teams in powerhouse conferences.

Al McGuire was a brilliant Head Coach. Those Marquette teams were fantastic!

Just that football is so dominant in popularity and $$$ that it filers over to basketball. Outside of some of the big east programs and Gonzaga, Wichita, and a few others most schools without the top level football programs have fallen behind the schools that do in basketball, despite it being their number one sport.

(03-05-2020 12:09 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 11:26 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 10:57 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...g-carousel
It’s ESPN+, so I’ll quote the part where they mention us.

“17. If there's a job outside the power-seven schools to generate some national headlines, it could be Grand Canyon. Dan Majerle hasn't done a bad job with the Antelopes, but with the money the school has spent on the basketball program, zero NCAA tournaments in seven seasons -- and a 12-17 record this season -- simply isn't getting it done. The program has all the resources needed to build a successful program, and I'd expect the coaching search to reflect that. Saint Mary's boss Randy Bennett, an Arizona native, likely would be the first call. They could also look to make a massive splash and try to pursue someone along the lines of Rick Pitino.

18. Will any high-major schools make a move earlier than expected? There are always a couple of moves that feel a bit premature, with last year seeing St. John's, Arkansas and Alabama all changing coaches a year earlier than projected. Outside of the seven we've named so far, it's hard to find anyone who could be in trouble. It seems far-fetched to think that Utah (Larry Krystkowiak) or South Carolina (Frank Martin) would make a move, same with the AAC trio of Tulsa (Frank Haith), SMU (Tim Jankovich) and South Florida (Brian Gregory).”

Great catch; thanks for posting. All I can say is "as it should be". Suggesting that P5, a term describing college football classification only was ever applicable to sorting college basketball's power structure was poor journalism. ESPN needs to educate many of their in-game announcers and studio hosts on this matter. Six of the past 21 national championship banners hang at non-P5 universities.

Another thing I find interesting is that Villanova has the last 3 national championships for schools who currently don’t have a D1 football program. Only them and UConn (before moving to D1) have been able to win the NCAA Tournament without a football program since 1985.

I'm feeling like this was a joke that went over everyone's head. Well done, BcatMatt13

(03-05-2020 10:57 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  18. Will any high-major schools make a move earlier than expected? There are always a couple of moves that feel a bit premature, with last year seeing St. John's, Arkansas and Alabama all changing coaches a year earlier than projected. Outside of the seven we've named so far, it's hard to find anyone who could be in trouble. It seems far-fetched to think that Utah (Larry Krystkowiak) or South Carolina (Frank Martin) would make a move, same with the AAC trio of Tulsa (Frank Haith), SMU (Tim Jankovich) and South Florida (Brian Gregory).”

I am 100% confident that Brian Gregory's seat isn't remotely warm...

USFFan

(03-06-2020 02:21 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 03:47 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:09 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Another thing I find interesting is that Villanova has the last 3 national championships for schools who currently don’t have a D1 football program. Only them and UConn (before moving to D1) have been able to win the NCAA Tournament without a football program since 1985.

What do you find that is so interesting about this?

Is the point that, with the various changes to the structure of college sports, it has become much harder for bball teams from schools without major FB programs to win the NCAA tournament?

Perhaps it would suggest that the way things were before 1985 was fairer, because back then, a school's BB team could win a NCAA championship without having a FB program of any kind.

Those schools with FBS programs, and especially the P5 schools perhaps prefer it that way, since the idea of making the playing field fair is the very antithesis of their monopolistic modus operandi.

But the fact that Marquette University managed to win a national championship and to be one of the nation's top basketball schools for most of a decade in the 1970s sets them apart in this respect, and this makes the achievements of Marquette's basketball teams in that era even more remarkable and brilliant in comparison to all the teams that had the advantage of having FB teams in powerhouse conferences.

Al McGuire was a brilliant Head Coach. Those Marquette teams were fantastic!

While no one has gotten over the hump like Marquette in 1977 there have been schools that have been able to establish elite basketball to really good programs without having a football program of any kind. Gonzaga is obviously the first program that comes to mind. Ironically, St. Mary's program took off in the WCC once they dropped football following the 2003. I was at the St. Mary's-Lehigh game the Gael's last year.

Xavier has had some big success too. I know they haven't made it to the Final 4 but there's been numerous deep runs and I also think the Muskies reached #1 at some point in the last decade. They definitely spent a good amount of time in the Top 10.

Wichita State has been quite good the last 10-15 years and have history of success going back further. Marquette remains a tournament presence. The Golden Eagles have also enjoyed a major presence in the NBA with Wade and Butler. Seton Hall made the title game in '89 when they were a yearly force under Carlesimo. Since then the Pirates have been up and down. Providence has always been good with a quality coach (Pitino, Barnes, Gillian and Cooley in my time).

These are the teams to reach the Final 4 without football post '85...
'87 Providence
'89 Seton Hall (finalist)
'03 Marquette
'06 George Mason
'11 VCU
'13 Wichita State
'17 Gonzaga (finalist)
'18 Loyola (IL)

Feels a bit like UCONN should be on that list...

This sounds odd, but I would stake that our performance in football and baseball is more power-like than our performance in basketball.

(03-07-2020 06:24 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This sounds odd, but I would stake that our performance in football and baseball is more power-like than our performance in basketball.

Sure about that?

Tulane hasn't won at least 8 games in a football season since 2002 and their best years since 2002 were two 7-6 seasons.

Power? Power like? No.

(03-08-2020 09:07 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 06:24 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This sounds odd, but I would stake that our performance in football and baseball is more power-like than our performance in basketball.

Sure about that?

Tulane hasn't won at least 8 games in a football season since 2002 and their best years since 2002 were two 7-6 seasons.

Power? Power like? No.

Pretty sure he meant as a conference, not Tulane-specific.

(03-08-2020 09:09 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:07 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 06:24 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This sounds odd, but I would stake that our performance in football and baseball is more power-like than our performance in basketball.

Sure about that?

Tulane hasn't won at least 8 games in a football season since 2002 and their best years since 2002 were two 7-6 seasons.

Power? Power like? No.

Pretty sure he meant as a conference, not Tulane-specific.

Then that was even a worse comment...as AAC has easily proven they are a P6 Football Conf.

(03-08-2020 09:11 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:09 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:07 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 06:24 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This sounds odd, but I would stake that our performance in football and baseball is more power-like than our performance in basketball.

Sure about that?

Tulane hasn't won at least 8 games in a football season since 2002 and their best years since 2002 were two 7-6 seasons.

Power? Power like? No.

Pretty sure he meant as a conference, not Tulane-specific.

Then that was even a worse comment...as AAC has easily proven they are a P6 Football Conf.

That's what he said: AAC Football and Baseball are more Power-like than AAC Basketball.