Small paragraph in today’s Tribune “The NCAA will take a significant step toward allowing all D1 athletes to transfer 1 time without sitting out a year of competition when it submits a plan to change the waiver process to the D1 council in April.” Wow if this comes to fruition things could get real crazy.

(02-19-2020 03:19 PM)HOF 08 Wrote:  Small paragraph in today’s Tribune “The NCAA will take a significant step toward allowing all D1 athletes to transfer 1 time without sitting out a year of competition when it submits a plan to change the waiver process to the D1 council in April.” Wow if this comes to fruition things could get real crazy.

I should add the paragraph ends by saying if adopted new criteria would go into effect for the 2020-21 academic year.

The B1G is the conference driving this proposal. They were the first conference to officially endorse this creation of essentially free agency for all.

The ACC has subsequently joined as the 2nd conference proponent.

There will be movement up and down. Makes coaching tougher. The MAC will lose their superstars

The Mac will lose stars in some cases but I can see this backfire for some of the starts (Jewan Johnson). The Mac will benefit from poaching FCS stars (see Kenny Golladay). More changes will come as well with pay for student athletes.

(02-19-2020 04:45 PM)klake87 Wrote:  There will be movement up and down. Makes coaching tougher. The MAC will lose their superstars

It may not even be superstars. I could see O-linemen being poached all the time. Let the MAC develop and prove those 2 star guys are quality starters. Just like Shane Evans and Ryan Roberts grad transferring. You could have lost Steckler last year.

(02-20-2020 10:00 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 04:45 PM)klake87 Wrote:  There will be movement up and down. Makes coaching tougher. The MAC will lose their superstars

It may not even be superstars. I could see O-linemen being poached all the time. Let the MAC develop and prove those 2 star guys are quality starters. Just like Shane Evans and Ryan Roberts grad transferring. You could have lost Steckler last year.

Yep. This will be very bad for the MAC.

IMO, this was proposed under the guise of being more "fair" to players, but what it really does is ...

--- Turn the G5 into a farm club level of football where the P5 "calls up" and "sends down" players at will.
--- Allow the P5 to get richer by cutting recruiting budgets; let the G5 do some of their work without compensation.
--- Alienate even more of the "forgotten" college fans who have ties to the 65 G5 schools. Many already do not bother to attend or pay attention to the "feel-good" bowl games that are tossed this way.

If this proposal is adopted, I would expect the next move to be an expansion in the number of FBS scholarships allowed. That way, all those upcoming individual player deals can be avoided. Generally, the P5 has the money; the G5 does not.

Any time a P5 school or conference proposes anything, you can bet there is an alterior motive. It is NOT for the benefit of college football or the student-athlete. And the fans do not matter at all.

(02-20-2020 10:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 10:00 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 04:45 PM)klake87 Wrote:  There will be movement up and down. Makes coaching tougher. The MAC will lose their superstars

It may not even be superstars. I could see O-linemen being poached all the time. Let the MAC develop and prove those 2 star guys are quality starters. Just like Shane Evans and Ryan Roberts grad transferring. You could have lost Steckler last year.

Yep. This will be very bad for the MAC.

The MAC is built on finding players overlooked by P5s. If they can just take those guys away the MAC loses that advantage. I don't think the tradeoff will be equal. MAYBE getting a few P5 bench players who want to start. You'd be trading a proven for a unknown.

(02-20-2020 10:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 10:00 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 04:45 PM)klake87 Wrote:  There will be movement up and down. Makes coaching tougher. The MAC will lose their superstars

It may not even be superstars. I could see O-linemen being poached all the time. Let the MAC develop and prove those 2 star guys are quality starters. Just like Shane Evans and Ryan Roberts grad transferring. You could have lost Steckler last year.

Yep. This will be very bad for the MAC.

Ironically, our MAC commish is one the biggest cheerleaders for this to be implemented...

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...-expansion

(02-20-2020 11:59 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 10:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 10:00 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 04:45 PM)klake87 Wrote:  There will be movement up and down. Makes coaching tougher. The MAC will lose their superstars

It may not even be superstars. I could see O-linemen being poached all the time. Let the MAC develop and prove those 2 star guys are quality starters. Just like Shane Evans and Ryan Roberts grad transferring. You could have lost Steckler last year.

Yep. This will be very bad for the MAC.

Ironically, our MAC commish is one the biggest cheerleaders for this to be implemented...

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...-expansion

Why doesn't that surprise me?

It isn't like the other schools can recruit the players though.

I think this will really only affect the depth on teams as a lot of the players sitting on the bench will be the ones looking to transfer.

(02-20-2020 12:24 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 11:59 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 10:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 10:00 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 04:45 PM)klake87 Wrote:  There will be movement up and down. Makes coaching tougher. The MAC will lose their superstars

It may not even be superstars. I could see O-linemen being poached all the time. Let the MAC develop and prove those 2 star guys are quality starters. Just like Shane Evans and Ryan Roberts grad transferring. You could have lost Steckler last year.

Yep. This will be very bad for the MAC.

Ironically, our MAC commish is one the biggest cheerleaders for this to be implemented...

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...-expansion

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Is Steinbrecher looking to move himself up?

(02-20-2020 01:41 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  It isn't like the other schools can recruit the players though.

I think this will really only affect the depth on teams as a lot of the players sitting on the bench will be the ones looking to transfer.

Some of the starters will look to transfer too, so they can play for a bigger name school.

(02-20-2020 01:41 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  It isn't like the other schools can recruit the players though.

I think this will really only affect the depth on teams as a lot of the players sitting on the bench will be the ones looking to transfer.

They can’t recruit them, but they can get the word out that they looking for a transfer to fill a certain position. That would have been pointless when you had to sit out a year. But knowing there is a position open immediately a Proven player may contact that school.

Every season teams get weakened at some position more than other from graduation, injury or transferring. Why wouldn’t they poach proven starters? We fill weak spots from CC and FCS. G5 would just become the same for P5 .

(02-20-2020 02:28 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 12:24 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 11:59 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 10:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 10:00 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It may not even be superstars. I could see O-linemen being poached all the time. Let the MAC develop and prove those 2 star guys are quality starters. Just like Shane Evans and Ryan Roberts grad transferring. You could have lost Steckler last year.

Yep. This will be very bad for the MAC.

Ironically, our MAC commish is one the biggest cheerleaders for this to be implemented...

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...-expansion

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Is Steinbrecher looking to move himself up?

You might have nailed it. Or he's sucking up to someone for another purpose.

Also remember this would allow FCS stars (as we're calling them) to look at moving up to without penalty.

I get the concern, but I'm all for it at this point.

I used to oppose any movement towards this. But with the seemingly significant uptick in coach movement and the continued money making by everyone but the athletes that put their well-being at the risk, I'm all for it as it gives more power to the student athletes. Will some make mistakes? Absolutely, but there will also be plenty of good stories.

The big money makers in college athletics love to speak about 'this all about the education' for the student athletes, then it shouldn't matter if they want to play somewhere else.

The only significant concerns in my mind is preventing MASS movement where close to an entire recruiting class would try to follow a coach right when he moves. I bet there's some easy ways to regulate that.

(02-21-2020 05:25 AM)17Huskies Wrote:  Also remember this would allow FCS stars (as we're calling them) to look at moving up to without penalty.

I thought they already do. FCS players can play immediately when transferring to FBS last I knew.

Wrong. Only fbs going to fcs can play right away

This will cause the haves to get better and have nots fall. Years ago 95 scholarships were allowed. Now 85 but if you can upgrade later, kinda same affect