(02-14-2020 08:29 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:09 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Bottom line -- we just aren't very good. Watch some of these high level teams play on any given night, and then watch Memphis play. Night and day.

Who are these so called high level teams that we look nothing like, I guarantee you they aren't made up of all freshman and all of them have bad losses somewhere. Your so mad that we had the number #1 class because it's in almost every post, but we don't still have the number #1 class playing but somehow that shouldnt matter, win anyway. You hear that HOF Roy Williams you should win even when Cole Anthony was hurt, not be 10-12.

We do a lot of dumb things for sure that cost us games but some of these guys are starting to figure this out and if, big if,Penny can keep them together and keep adding pieces we will have a solid program going forward. SMH

Auburn - lost their 2 or 3 best players from last season, still rolling
Kentucky - Cal doing what Cal does
Dayton - winning w/ Anthony Grant as coach
Villanova - plays mostly FR and SOPH
Duke- starts 4 FR
LSU- Mays is a SR and the rest of their rotation is basically FR & SOPH
Houston - lost their top 3 players, playing lots of FR & SOPH
Texas Tech- rebuilt their entire roster

There's 8 right there.

(02-14-2020 08:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 06:28 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 11:56 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 09:34 PM)BigDye1976 Wrote:  Do these announcers have balls. Still trying to back the ref with a easy charge why he called a block. Quit trying to justify a crappy call...

Because it was a block and not a charge.

I went back and checked the video and blew it up and watched it over and over.

Lester may have had his feet set but his upper body was moving sideways and the contact was to his shoulder. And not in the middle of his chest. He was not in a guarding position because his upper body was moving sideways.

So it was correctly called a block. The ref was in the right position to see Lester's body moving sideways as the offensive player was trying to split defenders.

Bull ****, that was a blown call. It was a charge.

He wanted to call a charge...He delayed because he knew Cumberland had four fouls and it would greatly affect the game. So he took the easy route.

Cumberland jumped to the side of Lester and Lester tried to slide his upper body under him. You can clearly see Cumberland turned sideways when contact was made that is IF you wanted to see it. You can clearly see almost all of Memphis across the chest of Lester when contact was made meaning that the contact was not to the chest but to the shoulder area.

Tiger fans have got to move past the denial stage and get over their delusions of persecution.

(02-14-2020 09:04 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:29 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:09 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Bottom line -- we just aren't very good. Watch some of these high level teams play on any given night, and then watch Memphis play. Night and day.

Who are these so called high level teams that we look nothing like, I guarantee you they aren't made up of all freshman and all of them have bad losses somewhere. Your so mad that we had the number #1 class because it's in almost every post, but we don't still have the number #1 class playing but somehow that shouldnt matter, win anyway. You hear that HOF Roy Williams you should win even when Cole Anthony was hurt, not be 10-12.

We do a lot of dumb things for sure that cost us games but some of these guys are starting to figure this out and if, big if,Penny can keep them together and keep adding pieces we will have a solid program going forward. SMH

Auburn - lost their 2 or 3 best players from last season, still rolling
Kentucky - Cal doing what Cal does
Dayton - winning w/ Anthony Grant as coach
Villanova - plays mostly FR and SOPH
Duke- starts 4 FR
LSU- Mays is a SR and the rest of their rotation is basically FR & SOPH
Houston - lost their top 3 players, playing lots of FR & SOPH
Texas Tech- rebuilt their entire roster

There's 8 right there.

Ok then go pull for one of them, there are caveats in all your examples but your mind is made up. And you are right in his second year with a brand new team Penny should be coaching just like Cal, Pearl, Jay Wright and Coach K. I swear the comments on here sometimes are laughable. But we had the #1 class, but, but we had the #1 class and I was excited and the team let me down. I don't care that Wiseman, Tucker and now Jeffries aren't playing we should still win them all because they said we had the #1 class. I guess you are right shame on these guys.

SMU and USF yes shouldnt have lost those but come on be reasonable, even Georgia was a bad loss but not having Jeffries does hurt us whether you think it should or not. Penny has a lot to learn can he get the same time all your HOF coaches examples did.

(02-14-2020 09:16 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 06:28 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 11:56 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 09:34 PM)BigDye1976 Wrote:  Do these announcers have balls. Still trying to back the ref with a easy charge why he called a block. Quit trying to justify a crappy call...

Because it was a block and not a charge.

I went back and checked the video and blew it up and watched it over and over.

Lester may have had his feet set but his upper body was moving sideways and the contact was to his shoulder. And not in the middle of his chest. He was not in a guarding position because his upper body was moving sideways.

So it was correctly called a block. The ref was in the right position to see Lester's body moving sideways as the offensive player was trying to split defenders.

Bull ****, that was a blown call. It was a charge.

He wanted to call a charge...He delayed because he knew Cumberland had four fouls and it would greatly affect the game. So he took the easy route.

Cumberland jumped to the side of Lester and Lester tried to slide his upper body under him. You can clearly see Cumberland turned sideways when contact was made that is IF you wanted to see it. You can clearly see almost all of Memphis across the chest of Lester when contact was made meaning that the contact was not to the chest but to the shoulder area.

Tiger fans have got to move past the denial stage and get over their delusions of persecution.

Look there is no way around it Tigers could have controlled their fate especially if they hit free throws and a shot or two down the stretch but that call was AT BEST a 50/50 call and would ordinarily be called a charge. It’s okay for us to own where we fell short but for Cumberland to play for 9 mins (very actively) and not catch his 5th in a close game is enough to show some level of home cooking. Again, not that it alone cost us the game but was certainly a factor.

Tigers played hard. For most part, Cincy deserved W. Cats have a nice looking team. Refs were bad but not that bad, if that makes sense. cincy received the typical home team 50/50 calls that the home team often receives. However, i did feel cumberland was really protected by the refs after his fourth foul. Also, MD does make frosh mistakes. But, i thought he was really targeted by the refs. They would not give him a break.
Horrible, heart breaking ending, but there was a lot of fight and grit from our men.
go Tigers!

(02-14-2020 09:04 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:29 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:09 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Bottom line -- we just aren't very good. Watch some of these high level teams play on any given night, and then watch Memphis play. Night and day.

Who are these so called high level teams that we look nothing like, I guarantee you they aren't made up of all freshman and all of them have bad losses somewhere. Your so mad that we had the number #1 class because it's in almost every post, but we don't still have the number #1 class playing but somehow that shouldnt matter, win anyway. You hear that HOF Roy Williams you should win even when Cole Anthony was hurt, not be 10-12.

We do a lot of dumb things for sure that cost us games but some of these guys are starting to figure this out and if, big if,Penny can keep them together and keep adding pieces we will have a solid program going forward. SMH

Auburn - lost their 2 or 3 best players from last season, still rolling
Kentucky - Cal doing what Cal does
Dayton - winning w/ Anthony Grant as coach
Villanova - plays mostly FR and SOPH
Duke- starts 4 FR
LSU- Mays is a SR and the rest of their rotation is basically FR & SOPH
Houston - lost their top 3 players, playing lots of FR & SOPH
Texas Tech- rebuilt their entire roster

There's 8 right there.

Sexhog only made the tournament in his 4th year at Auburn, with 25 years experience coaching. Anthony Grant hasn't won an NCAA tournament game since 2007 (lmfao). Who is our Mays?, and also LSU is going to get hammered when the NCAA gets around to it.

But nice try troll.

(02-14-2020 01:17 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 10:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 10:36 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 10:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 10:02 PM)PATiger Wrote:  3-game Wiseman? We've got walk ons who have played more.

No Matter how many guys he brought in was your statement.

With our full roster at the start of the season only have at most 3 losses...Probably 2

So 21-3 would be seriously hurt...Come on...Your are trolling

But none of that happened. Penny promised all the smoke but only delivered smoke and mirrors.

You are a troll

No, I'm someone who isn't satisfied with people bragging about winning championships when they're not qualified to do more than coach AAU. I don't accept mediocre coaching. Apparently, you not only accept it, you embrace it.

Your consistent trolling adds zero value to this board...just go play somewhere else...please.

(02-14-2020 10:47 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:17 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 10:39 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 10:36 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 10:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  No Matter how many guys he brought in was your statement.

With our full roster at the start of the season only have at most 3 losses...Probably 2

So 21-3 would be seriously hurt...Come on...Your are trolling

But none of that happened. Penny promised all the smoke but only delivered smoke and mirrors.

You are a troll

No, I'm someone who isn't satisfied with people bragging about winning championships when they're not qualified to do more than coach AAU. I don't accept mediocre coaching. Apparently, you not only accept it, you embrace it.

Your consistent trolling adds zero value to this board...just go play somewhere else...please.

When he gets us rolling this clown like many others will be back on board and claiming to have always been high on Penny, every fanbase has their fake fans, just part of it I guess. So stupid to not take into account he doesnt have players he had when he made comments, love those tough no excuses guys, win anyway

(02-14-2020 09:04 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:29 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:09 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Bottom line -- we just aren't very good. Watch some of these high level teams play on any given night, and then watch Memphis play. Night and day.

Who are these so called high level teams that we look nothing like, I guarantee you they aren't made up of all freshman and all of them have bad losses somewhere. Your so mad that we had the number #1 class because it's in almost every post, but we don't still have the number #1 class playing but somehow that shouldnt matter, win anyway. You hear that HOF Roy Williams you should win even when Cole Anthony was hurt, not be 10-12.

We do a lot of dumb things for sure that cost us games but some of these guys are starting to figure this out and if, big if,Penny can keep them together and keep adding pieces we will have a solid program going forward. SMH

Auburn - lost their 2 or 3 best players from last season, still rolling
Kentucky - Cal doing what Cal does
Dayton - winning w/ Anthony Grant as coach
Villanova - plays mostly FR and SOPH
Duke- starts 4 FR
LSU- Mays is a SR and the rest of their rotation is basically FR & SOPH
Houston - lost their top 3 players, playing lots of FR & SOPH
Texas Tech- rebuilt their entire roster

There's 8 right there.

That's because of established culture...Texas Tech has more loses than we do. None of the coaches are in their 2nd year or playing with freshmen and sophomores. Last year Alo and Tyler could look to Peso, now they are the players that are looked to. They can perform but they are short and can be negated with height. Not an excuse but facts.

(02-14-2020 01:31 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  They fought hard.

Sometimes you lose tight road games.

I'm ok with this one. We have some bad losses, this isn't one.

On to UConn.

Yep. You are correct. We shouldn’t have lost any of our home games especially. But this wasn’t a bad loss. But it is one we could have won.

(02-14-2020 09:04 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:29 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:09 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Bottom line -- we just aren't very good. Watch some of these high level teams play on any given night, and then watch Memphis play. Night and day.

Who are these so called high level teams that we look nothing like, I guarantee you they aren't made up of all freshman and all of them have bad losses somewhere. Your so mad that we had the number #1 class because it's in almost every post, but we don't still have the number #1 class playing but somehow that shouldnt matter, win anyway. You hear that HOF Roy Williams you should win even when Cole Anthony was hurt, not be 10-12.

We do a lot of dumb things for sure that cost us games but some of these guys are starting to figure this out and if, big if,Penny can keep them together and keep adding pieces we will have a solid program going forward. SMH

Auburn - lost their 2 or 3 best players from last season, still rolling
Kentucky - Cal doing what Cal does
Dayton - winning w/ Anthony Grant as coach
Villanova - plays mostly FR and SOPH
Duke- starts 4 FR
LSU- Mays is a SR and the rest of their rotation is basically FR & SOPH
Houston - lost their top 3 players, playing lots of FR & SOPH
Texas Tech- rebuilt their entire roster

There's 8 right there.

and they got a 5-star transfer, who was not required to sit out,
but the memphis player has to

(02-14-2020 09:49 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  Tigers played hard. For most part, Cincy deserved W. Cats have a nice looking team. Refs were bad but not that bad, if that makes sense. cincy received the typical home team 50/50 calls that the home team often receives. However, i did feel cumberland was really protected by the refs after his fourth foul. Also, MD does make frosh mistakes. But, i thought he was really targeted by the refs. They would not give him a break.
Horrible, heart breaking ending, but there was a lot of fight and grit from our men.
go Tigers!

with less than 4 minutes to go in the regulation

cin had made 10 free throw
from that point forward, they made 19 additional free throws

fix

6th place in a bad league

(02-14-2020 11:41 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  6th place in a bad league

With a roster full of 4* recruits.

(02-14-2020 09:04 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:29 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 08:09 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Bottom line -- we just aren't very good. Watch some of these high level teams play on any given night, and then watch Memphis play. Night and day.

Who are these so called high level teams that we look nothing like, I guarantee you they aren't made up of all freshman and all of them have bad losses somewhere. Your so mad that we had the number #1 class because it's in almost every post, but we don't still have the number #1 class playing but somehow that shouldnt matter, win anyway. You hear that HOF Roy Williams you should win even when Cole Anthony was hurt, not be 10-12.

We do a lot of dumb things for sure that cost us games but some of these guys are starting to figure this out and if, big if,Penny can keep them together and keep adding pieces we will have a solid program going forward. SMH

Auburn - lost their 2 or 3 best players from last season, still rolling
Kentucky - Cal doing what Cal does
Dayton - winning w/ Anthony Grant as coach
Villanova - plays mostly FR and SOPH
Duke- starts 4 FR
LSU- Mays is a SR and the rest of their rotation is basically FR & SOPH
Houston - lost their top 3 players, playing lots of FR & SOPH
Texas Tech- rebuilt their entire roster

There's 8 right there.

How many of them lost their #1 and #3 player for the season?

(02-14-2020 11:06 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:49 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  Tigers played hard. For most part, Cincy deserved W. Cats have a nice looking team. Refs were bad but not that bad, if that makes sense. cincy received the typical home team 50/50 calls that the home team often receives. However, i did feel cumberland was really protected by the refs after his fourth foul. Also, MD does make frosh mistakes. But, i thought he was really targeted by the refs. They would not give him a break.
Horrible, heart breaking ending, but there was a lot of fight and grit from our men.
go Tigers!

with less than 4 minutes to go in the regulation

cin had made 10 free throw
from that point forward, they made 19 additional free throws

fix

Cincinnati shot 47 free throws, 14 more than the Tigers. When they make almost as many as the Tiger took it's hard to win in that environment which I believe led to a lot of no calls especially the blocking call on Lester when was ran over standing perfectly still, should have been a charge. Then Dandridge was knocked out of bounds by the 7ft Vogt NO CALL in the last minute and a half of regulation. Cincy had one player with more offensive rebounds than the whole Tiger team.

(02-14-2020 12:42 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:06 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:49 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  Tigers played hard. For most part, Cincy deserved W. Cats have a nice looking team. Refs were bad but not that bad, if that makes sense. cincy received the typical home team 50/50 calls that the home team often receives. However, i did feel cumberland was really protected by the refs after his fourth foul. Also, MD does make frosh mistakes. But, i thought he was really targeted by the refs. They would not give him a break.
Horrible, heart breaking ending, but there was a lot of fight and grit from our men.
go Tigers!

with less than 4 minutes to go in the regulation

cin had made 10 free throw
from that point forward, they made 19 additional free throws

fix

Cincinnati shot 47 free throws, 14 more than the Tigers. When they make almost as many as the Tiger took it's hard to win in that environment which I believe led to a lot of no calls especially the blocking call on Lester when was ran over standing perfectly still, should have been a charge. Then Dandridge was knocked out of bounds by the 7ft Vogt NO CALL in the last minute and a half of regulation. Cincy had one player with more offensive rebounds than the whole Tiger team.

Many of their free throws were taken when we were intentionally fouling.

(02-14-2020 11:59 AM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:41 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  6th place in a bad league

With a roster full of 4* recruits.

Give it some time. More and more fans will eventually pull their heads out of the sand. Took a while with Pastner for many. Penny will get a longer leash from most because he’s a Tiger but the 2 situations are eerily similar

(02-14-2020 12:51 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:59 AM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:41 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  6th place in a bad league

With a roster full of 4* recruits.

Give it some time. More and more fans will eventually pull their heads out of the sand. Took a while with Pastner for many. Penny will get a longer leash from most because he’s a Tiger but the 2 situations are eerily similar

Current Roster.

top 20 Precious

top 50 Boogie, Lester

Baugh/Malcolm 110ish

Sophmores: Lance, Alex and Tyler 130ish

So you have 3 guys you should expect to give you something as freshmen and they are doing pretty good as of late. The remaining guys are going to be hit and miss and normally develop with time.

(02-13-2020 11:56 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 09:34 PM)BigDye1976 Wrote:  Do these announcers have balls. Still trying to back the ref with a easy charge why he called a block. Quit trying to justify a crappy call...

Because it was a block and not a charge.

I went back and checked the video and blew it up and watched it over and over.

Lester may have had his feet set but his upper body was moving sideways and the contact was to his shoulder. And not in the middle of his chest. He was not in a guarding position because his upper body was moving sideways.

So it was correctly called a block. The ref was in the right position to see Lester's body moving sideways as the offensive player was trying to split defenders.

It was charge all day. The ref was literally getting ready to call a charge and realized it was Cumberland and then changed to a block.

Also you can still be moving on charge call as long as the defender beats the offensive player to the spot and his feet are set. Lester beat Cumberland to the spot and his feet were set and shoulder squared . Learn the rules before you try to comment on a rule.

It's a charge all day if Cumberland doesn't have 4 fouls on him already. It's a charge all day if it's any other player but Cumberland.