(02-05-2020 10:14 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Glad to hear Penny saying he has started calling plays. Should have been from the beginning.

When did he say that? Who was calling the plays?

(02-05-2020 10:31 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(02-05-2020 10:14 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Glad to hear Penny saying he has started calling plays. Should have been from the beginning.

When did he say that? Who was calling the plays?

Penny said it on TV at halftime. He’s said it before

Crazy to believe that if the SMU collapse didn't happen and the Tigers won that game, Memphis would be sitting at the 2 seed in the AAC for now.

(02-06-2020 12:00 AM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  Crazy to believe that if the SMU collapse didn't happen and the Tigers won that game, Memphis would be sitting at the 2 seed in the AAC for now.

yep

(02-06-2020 02:14 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 12:00 AM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  Crazy to believe that if the SMU collapse didn't happen and the Tigers won that game, Memphis would be sitting at the 2 seed in the AAC for now.

yep

and if DJ played @ Georgia we would still be ranked.

Yes, Temple is horrible, but still a pretty good performance for the most part. Got to the line a lot and made them, busted the treys, solid D, and at least cut down the TOs some. Still need to get them down around to 10-12 a game. Malcolm showed a glimpse of what he can be. He will be a monster at 100% and gaining some experience. Did what they needed to do, now go get USF.

Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but Baugh is an absolute black hole on the court right now. The decision to start him let alone play him is truly bad (although Lomax isn't playing much better). It shouldn't come as a surprise that we play much better without him on the court and built our lead when he went out because of fouls. I don't think it is a coincidence that our starting lineup without him meshes so much better. He will get there someday, but it doesn't appear to be this season.

*Baugh had a 100%(!) turnover % when used in the offense
*Lomax had a 54% turnover %
*Boogie at 15%
*Lester at 0%

(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but Baugh is an absolute black hole on the court right now. The decision to start him let alone play him is truly bad (although Lomax isn't playing much better). It shouldn't come as a surprise that we play much better without him on the court and built our lead when he went out because of fouls. I don't think it is a coincidence that our starting lineup without him meshes so much better. He will get there someday, but it doesn't appear to be this season.

*Baugh had a 100%(!) turnover % when used in the offense
*Lomax had a 54% turnover %
*Boogie at 15%
*Lester at 0%

Where are you getting these stats?

If you are using the shots/assists vs. Turnovers metric that is trash.

Well if Baugh is 0% since Baugh had an assist the metric must be shots only vs. Turnovers which is even worse trash.

(02-06-2020 09:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but Baugh is an absolute black hole on the court right now. The decision to start him let alone play him is truly bad (although Lomax isn't playing much better). It shouldn't come as a surprise that we play much better without him on the court and built our lead when he went out because of fouls. I don't think it is a coincidence that our starting lineup without him meshes so much better. He will get there someday, but it doesn't appear to be this season.

*Baugh had a 100%(!) turnover % when used in the offense
*Lomax had a 54% turnover %
*Boogie at 15%
*Lester at 0%

Where are you getting these stats?

If you are using the shots/assists vs. Turnovers metric that is trash.

Well if Baugh is 0% since Baugh had an assist the metric must be shots only vs. Turnovers which is even worse trash.

The stat is based on usage % from Torvik. Baugh has the worst advanced metrics on the team for the minutes he gets.

(02-06-2020 10:09 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but Baugh is an absolute black hole on the court right now. The decision to start him let alone play him is truly bad (although Lomax isn't playing much better). It shouldn't come as a surprise that we play much better without him on the court and built our lead when he went out because of fouls. I don't think it is a coincidence that our starting lineup without him meshes so much better. He will get there someday, but it doesn't appear to be this season.

*Baugh had a 100%(!) turnover % when used in the offense
*Lomax had a 54% turnover %
*Boogie at 15%
*Lester at 0%

Where are you getting these stats?

If you are using the shots/assists vs. Turnovers metric that is trash.

Well if Baugh is 0% since Baugh had an assist the metric must be shots only vs. Turnovers which is even worse trash.

The stat is based on usage % from Torvik. Baugh has the worst advanced metrics on the team for the minutes he gets.

He's a good defender. He's only taken 83 shots all year long (less than 4 a game). He really only can do layups, dunks and an occasional 3. As strong as he is he should be effective posting up guys but never does that. He either needs to shoot more 3's or develop a mid-range game. He did help us win a few games this year.

I think most people had given up on Boogie and Lance but they seem to be playing really well. Hopefully Baugh turns the corner.

Nice win

(02-06-2020 10:09 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but Baugh is an absolute black hole on the court right now. The decision to start him let alone play him is truly bad (although Lomax isn't playing much better). It shouldn't come as a surprise that we play much better without him on the court and built our lead when he went out because of fouls. I don't think it is a coincidence that our starting lineup without him meshes so much better. He will get there someday, but it doesn't appear to be this season.

*Baugh had a 100%(!) turnover % when used in the offense
*Lomax had a 54% turnover %
*Boogie at 15%
*Lester at 0%

Where are you getting these stats?

If you are using the shots/assists vs. Turnovers metric that is trash.

Well if Baugh is 0% since Baugh had an assist the metric must be shots only vs. Turnovers which is even worse trash.

The stat is based on usage % from Torvik. Baugh has the worst advanced metrics on the team for the minutes he gets.

Yeah...The turnover percentage stat is trash...

If Baugh takes 10 shots his TO% is 33%. That doesn't indicate he took better care of the ball.

If any player takes 0 shots has 10 assists and 2 turnovers his TO% is 100%. That stat is trash.

But yeah box score wise Baugh doesn't put up great numbers...But defensively he is very good and stopping his man from scoring doesn't show up in the boxscore unfortunately.

(02-06-2020 10:18 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:09 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but Baugh is an absolute black hole on the court right now. The decision to start him let alone play him is truly bad (although Lomax isn't playing much better). It shouldn't come as a surprise that we play much better without him on the court and built our lead when he went out because of fouls. I don't think it is a coincidence that our starting lineup without him meshes so much better. He will get there someday, but it doesn't appear to be this season.

*Baugh had a 100%(!) turnover % when used in the offense
*Lomax had a 54% turnover %
*Boogie at 15%
*Lester at 0%

Where are you getting these stats?

If you are using the shots/assists vs. Turnovers metric that is trash.

Well if Baugh is 0% since Baugh had an assist the metric must be shots only vs. Turnovers which is even worse trash.

The stat is based on usage % from Torvik. Baugh has the worst advanced metrics on the team for the minutes he gets.

He's a good defender. He's only taken 83 shots all year long (less than 4 a game). He really only can do layups, dunks and an occasional 3. As strong as he is he should be effective posting up guys but never does that. He either needs to shoot more 3's or develop a mid-range game. He did help us win a few games this year.

I think most people had given up on Boogie and Lance but they seem to be playing really well. Hopefully Baugh turns the corner.

Baugh will be fine in the long run. He has the tools to be a great college player and probably borderline pro with his length and athleticism and ability to defend. He just needs time and experience to develop. We are not talking about a 5* player here, so needed development over a year or two really should have been the expectation for him.

Alo concerns me much more. He has seemingly regressed and gone back to trying to do way too much again. I wish he would forget that euro step move. He has no elevation when he does that and almost always ends up in a terrible position to shoot or pass. When Alo is focused on being the floor general and just making the smart play he is a fantastic point guard but when he is trying to be Chris Paul he is just a turnover machine.

(02-06-2020 10:50 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:18 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:09 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but Baugh is an absolute black hole on the court right now. The decision to start him let alone play him is truly bad (although Lomax isn't playing much better). It shouldn't come as a surprise that we play much better without him on the court and built our lead when he went out because of fouls. I don't think it is a coincidence that our starting lineup without him meshes so much better. He will get there someday, but it doesn't appear to be this season.

*Baugh had a 100%(!) turnover % when used in the offense
*Lomax had a 54% turnover %
*Boogie at 15%
*Lester at 0%

Where are you getting these stats?

If you are using the shots/assists vs. Turnovers metric that is trash.

Well if Baugh is 0% since Baugh had an assist the metric must be shots only vs. Turnovers which is even worse trash.

The stat is based on usage % from Torvik. Baugh has the worst advanced metrics on the team for the minutes he gets.

He's a good defender. He's only taken 83 shots all year long (less than 4 a game). He really only can do layups, dunks and an occasional 3. As strong as he is he should be effective posting up guys but never does that. He either needs to shoot more 3's or develop a mid-range game. He did help us win a few games this year.

I think most people had given up on Boogie and Lance but they seem to be playing really well. Hopefully Baugh turns the corner.

Baugh will be fine in the long run. He has the tools to be a great college player and probably borderline pro with his length and athleticism and ability to defend. He just needs time and experience to develop. We are not talking about a 5* player here, so needed development over a year or two really should have been the expectation for him.

Alo concerns me much more. He has seemingly regressed and gone back to trying to do way too much again. I wish he would forget that euro step move. He has no elevation when he does that and almost always ends up in a terrible position to shoot or pass. When Alo is focused on being the floor general and just making the smart play he is a fantastic point guard but when he is trying to be Chris Paul he is just a turnover machine.

Yep Alo is pre-determining what he is going to do many times that is why he gets hung up. Needs to slow down and let it come to him...But that comes with experience.

And I think Baugh goes as far as Baugh wants to...I think he can develop a shot...Will he put in the work to make that a reality? If he does the sky is the limit.

In my opinion, Baugh and ALo are neck and neck. At times ALo plays a little better than Baugh. Because of that I would be willing to give ALo the nod. On the other hand, ALo is what he is, he isnt going to get a lot better than what he is right now. Yes, there will be some improvement over the next 2 years, but as we all know, the biggest jump in development comes from freshman to sophomore. His development from this stage will be incremental. Whereas Baugh still has his big sophomore leap coming, and his ceiling is about 2 stories higher than ALos will ever be. So in some ways I can see starting Baugh over ALo, to help development.

We won and we move on.... Need to stay focus and win 6-7 more until the tournament

(02-06-2020 10:38 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:09 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but Baugh is an absolute black hole on the court right now. The decision to start him let alone play him is truly bad (although Lomax isn't playing much better). It shouldn't come as a surprise that we play much better without him on the court and built our lead when he went out because of fouls. I don't think it is a coincidence that our starting lineup without him meshes so much better. He will get there someday, but it doesn't appear to be this season.

*Baugh had a 100%(!) turnover % when used in the offense
*Lomax had a 54% turnover %
*Boogie at 15%
*Lester at 0%

Where are you getting these stats?

If you are using the shots/assists vs. Turnovers metric that is trash.

Well if Baugh is 0% since Baugh had an assist the metric must be shots only vs. Turnovers which is even worse trash.

The stat is based on usage % from Torvik. Baugh has the worst advanced metrics on the team for the minutes he gets.

Yeah...The turnover percentage stat is trash...

If Baugh takes 10 shots his TO% is 33%. That doesn't indicate he took better care of the ball.

If any player takes 0 shots has 10 assists and 2 turnovers his TO% is 100%. That stat is trash.

But yeah box score wise Baugh doesn't put up great numbers...But defensively he is very good and stopping his man from scoring doesn't show up in the boxscore unfortunately.

The point remains that Baugh's minutes need to get cut and he doesn't need to be a starter. Jayden has a higher offensive rating (still terrible), only Malcolm has a higher TO% (but they are eventful for sure), 61% from the free throw line for a driver is far from ideal, and its not like he is dishing out assists. He is just not providing much value and is having a pretty terrible year statistically (defensive stats included) compared to others who probably deserve the minutes over him. All 3 of our most recent wins he has had a negative +/- (Tyler is the only other player with the accomplishment). That is hard to do when your team is winning.

(02-06-2020 12:23 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:38 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:09 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but Baugh is an absolute black hole on the court right now. The decision to start him let alone play him is truly bad (although Lomax isn't playing much better). It shouldn't come as a surprise that we play much better without him on the court and built our lead when he went out because of fouls. I don't think it is a coincidence that our starting lineup without him meshes so much better. He will get there someday, but it doesn't appear to be this season.

*Baugh had a 100%(!) turnover % when used in the offense
*Lomax had a 54% turnover %
*Boogie at 15%
*Lester at 0%

Where are you getting these stats?

If you are using the shots/assists vs. Turnovers metric that is trash.

Well if Baugh is 0% since Baugh had an assist the metric must be shots only vs. Turnovers which is even worse trash.

The stat is based on usage % from Torvik. Baugh has the worst advanced metrics on the team for the minutes he gets.

Yeah...The turnover percentage stat is trash...

If Baugh takes 10 shots his TO% is 33%. That doesn't indicate he took better care of the ball.

If any player takes 0 shots has 10 assists and 2 turnovers his TO% is 100%. That stat is trash.

But yeah box score wise Baugh doesn't put up great numbers...But defensively he is very good and stopping his man from scoring doesn't show up in the boxscore unfortunately.

The point remains that Baugh's minutes need to get cut and he doesn't need to be a starter. Jayden has a higher offensive rating (still terrible), only Malcolm has a higher TO% (but they are eventful for sure), 61% from the free throw line for a driver is far from ideal, and its not like he is dishing out assists. He is just not providing much value and is having a pretty terrible year statistically (defensive stats included) compared to others who probably deserve the minutes over him. All 3 of our most recent wins he has had a negative +/- (Tyler is the only other player with the accomplishment). That is hard to do when your team is winning.

That is the problem. As of right now today ALo is playing just a tiny little bit better than Baugh. So you have to make the decision, do you play for the current game (which we probably need to ensure we make the tournament) or do you do your best go get Baugh developed for the tournament? I am going to say it right now, if ALo is our best PG in the tournament, pack very lightly, we wont be there long enough to get settled in. We have to have good guard play to do anything in the tournament. Guard play has been the proven difference maker in the tournament year after year after year. Right now (and the commentators were saying it last night) our pg play is pretty bad.

(02-06-2020 12:27 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 12:23 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:38 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:09 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Where are you getting these stats?

If you are using the shots/assists vs. Turnovers metric that is trash.

Well if Baugh is 0% since Baugh had an assist the metric must be shots only vs. Turnovers which is even worse trash.

The stat is based on usage % from Torvik. Baugh has the worst advanced metrics on the team for the minutes he gets.

Yeah...The turnover percentage stat is trash...

If Baugh takes 10 shots his TO% is 33%. That doesn't indicate he took better care of the ball.

If any player takes 0 shots has 10 assists and 2 turnovers his TO% is 100%. That stat is trash.

But yeah box score wise Baugh doesn't put up great numbers...But defensively he is very good and stopping his man from scoring doesn't show up in the boxscore unfortunately.

The point remains that Baugh's minutes need to get cut and he doesn't need to be a starter. Jayden has a higher offensive rating (still terrible), only Malcolm has a higher TO% (but they are eventful for sure), 61% from the free throw line for a driver is far from ideal, and its not like he is dishing out assists. He is just not providing much value and is having a pretty terrible year statistically (defensive stats included) compared to others who probably deserve the minutes over him. All 3 of our most recent wins he has had a negative +/- (Tyler is the only other player with the accomplishment). That is hard to do when your team is winning.

That is the problem. As of right now today ALo is playing just a tiny little bit better than Baugh. So you have to make the decision, do you play for the current game (which we probably need to ensure we make the tournament) or do you do your best go get Baugh developed for the tournament? I am going to say it right now, if ALo is our best PG in the tournament, pack very lightly, we wont be there long enough to get settled in. We have to have good guard play to do anything in the tournament. Guard play has been the proven difference maker in the tournament year after year after year. Right now (and the commentators were saying it last night) our pg play is pretty bad.

While I agree, a good Baugh is what we need to advance. A bad Baugh is what we have right now. He will get better, but Alex is our only shot to make the tournament this year. With his recent slump though, we are probably out of luck. Alex, Tyler, and Damion are not helping right now. Precious is also slumping unfortunately.

(02-06-2020 12:23 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:38 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 10:09 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:20 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but Baugh is an absolute black hole on the court right now. The decision to start him let alone play him is truly bad (although Lomax isn't playing much better). It shouldn't come as a surprise that we play much better without him on the court and built our lead when he went out because of fouls. I don't think it is a coincidence that our starting lineup without him meshes so much better. He will get there someday, but it doesn't appear to be this season.

*Baugh had a 100%(!) turnover % when used in the offense
*Lomax had a 54% turnover %
*Boogie at 15%
*Lester at 0%

Where are you getting these stats?

If you are using the shots/assists vs. Turnovers metric that is trash.

Well if Baugh is 0% since Baugh had an assist the metric must be shots only vs. Turnovers which is even worse trash.

The stat is based on usage % from Torvik. Baugh has the worst advanced metrics on the team for the minutes he gets.

Yeah...The turnover percentage stat is trash...

If Baugh takes 10 shots his TO% is 33%. That doesn't indicate he took better care of the ball.

If any player takes 0 shots has 10 assists and 2 turnovers his TO% is 100%. That stat is trash.

But yeah box score wise Baugh doesn't put up great numbers...But defensively he is very good and stopping his man from scoring doesn't show up in the boxscore unfortunately.

The point remains that Baugh's minutes need to get cut and he doesn't need to be a starter. Jayden has a higher offensive rating (still terrible), only Malcolm has a higher TO% (but they are eventful for sure), 61% from the free throw line for a driver is far from ideal, and its not like he is dishing out assists. He is just not providing much value and is having a pretty terrible year statistically (defensive stats included) compared to others who probably deserve the minutes over him. All 3 of our most recent wins he has had a negative +/- (Tyler is the only other player with the accomplishment). That is hard to do when your team is winning.

This is where statistics and analytics become complete and total trash. More often than not you have to look beyond just the numbers. You would not really suggest giving Baugh's minutes to Jayden.