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(02-02-2020 09:20 AM)bluelight Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 04:50 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  La Tech’s coach sounds like a class act.

Maybe he can teach JJ how to respond to his players, and above all to recruit quality players.

JJ seems to be more demonstrative on the sidelines this year than in the past? He is waiting for every player that leaves the game to chew them out as they head to the seats. I have noticed that the players mostly just go past him as he is talking without stopping and go to the end as far away from JJ as they can get. No wonder some are bailing out. There is a time and place for everything and on TV in front of thousands of fans isn't it. Maybe the pressures of a losing season are getting to him? His medical issues certainly don't help the facts either. If there was light at the end of the tunnel, I would be willing to look the other way, but that light that used to be there is just about diminished. If things don't improve before the end of the season, JJ should be let go. The players coming back next year are a good core but it isn't fair to put so much burden on them because the head coach simply isn't a good recruiter.

(02-02-2020 09:20 AM)bluelight Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 04:50 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  La Tech’s coach sounds like a class act.

Maybe he can teach JJ how to respond to his players, and above all to recruit quality players.

Then why have we been consistently better than LT?

(02-01-2020 10:44 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 10:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 10:26 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 10:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 10:07 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Agree or disagree - here are the facts. Jones was CUSA Coach of the Year last year and took us to the dance. That has bought him AT LEAST one more year as the leader of our program. Argue with those facts. They are what they are.

I don't disagree. There is no foreseeable end to this Purgatory. And while I appreciate these kids, I'm not going to pretend that I am ok with all the adversity year after year and the results due to poor leadership because the kids play hard.

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Who didn’t enjoy last year? The NCAA selection ceremony in our practice facility was an exceptional experience. Stop pining for the past and a handful of exceptional years by sober Blaine. He was unable to CONSISTENTLY produce exceptional results and so here we are.

Sorry, I will continue to advocate for the basketball program and will not accept that last year is the best we can do and annual roster turmoil and internal adversity is acceptable. Bryant Stith has no more sons. This is the new normal and I'm not happy about it.

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Making the NCAA tournament is the best we can do, and our future success does not depend on Stith’s sons. Ahmad - who is not a Stith - was a primary contributor to last year’s success. And BJ disappeared for the last seven games. So go another direction w/your logic.

One uncompetitive NCAAT game in 7 yrs is the best we can do? My how the perception of this program has changed!

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(02-02-2020 10:44 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 10:44 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 10:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 10:26 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 10:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I don't disagree. There is no foreseeable end to this Purgatory. And while I appreciate these kids, I'm not going to pretend that I am ok with all the adversity year after year and the results due to poor leadership because the kids play hard.

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Who didn’t enjoy last year? The NCAA selection ceremony in our practice facility was an exceptional experience. Stop pining for the past and a handful of exceptional years by sober Blaine. He was unable to CONSISTENTLY produce exceptional results and so here we are.

Sorry, I will continue to advocate for the basketball program and will not accept that last year is the best we can do and annual roster turmoil and internal adversity is acceptable. Bryant Stith has no more sons. This is the new normal and I'm not happy about it.

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Making the NCAA tournament is the best we can do, and our future success does not depend on Stith’s sons. Ahmad - who is not a Stith - was a primary contributor to last year’s success. And BJ disappeared for the last seven games. So go another direction w/your logic.

One uncompetitive NCAAT game in 7 yrs is the best we can do? My how the perception of this program has changed!

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Forget it, they have their marching orders. In private, a lot more of them agree with us than it would appear, believe me. 10 years ago, last year's team would have been acceptable as a rebuilding year and would have been run out of the Richmond Coliseum in the semis if they even got there. Now it's the best we can do.

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(02-02-2020 11:31 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(02-02-2020 11:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-02-2020 10:44 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 10:44 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(02-01-2020 10:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Sorry, I will continue to advocate for the basketball program and will not accept that last year is the best we can do and annual roster turmoil and internal adversity is acceptable. Bryant Stith has no more sons. This is the new normal and I'm not happy about it.

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Making the NCAA tournament is the best we can do, and our future success does not depend on Stith’s sons. Ahmad - who is not a Stith - was a primary contributor to last year’s success. And BJ disappeared for the last seven games. So go another direction w/your logic.

One uncompetitive NCAAT game in 7 yrs is the best we can do? My how the perception of this program has changed!

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Forget it, they have their marching orders. In private, a lot more of them agree with us than it would appear, believe me. 10 years ago, last year's team would have been acceptable as a rebuilding year and would have been run out of the Richmond Coliseum in the semis if they even got there. Now it's the best we can do.

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A lot of posts on here for someone who “was thru” with team two weeks ago. Once again you are not a man of his word or convictions.

Excuse me, have we met?

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La Tech is really good. They beat Mississippi State on the road. This team will be a problem for teams in the NCAA Tournament if they are the team that represents CUSA. That was a great game, and man are we going to be able to put the ball in the basket next year.

Next year always turns into next year!!!! Getting old!!!

(02-03-2020 03:55 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  Next year always turns into next year!!!! Getting old!!!

Not always. We won the title last year. That changes things in my book. We are the defending CUSA Regular season and tournament champs, and JJ is the reigning coach of the year. Some here think that last year was his peak. I just don't think so.

This year sucks. Hell, we can't even claim bragging rights over JMU this year. However, with our best players being sophomores this year (plus a really good looking freshman), it's reasonable to be excited about next year while enduring some growing pains this year.

Again, if we are still stuck with 1 NCAA appearance in 2022, then we can have this discussion.

Blaine used to say that anyone could build a team to achieve success every 4 or 5 years. He was more about building a program and not have so many highs and lows. Hard to do that with so many departures with the program and questionable (to me at least) recruiting year to year.

(02-03-2020 05:11 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Blaine used to say that anyone could build a team to achieve success every 4 or 5 years. He was more about building a program and not have so many highs and lows. Hard to do that with so many departures with the program and questionable (to me at least) recruiting year to year.

How much lower could you get than Blaine Taylor’s last year. Too bad he didn’t subscribe to his own philosophy.

(02-03-2020 05:45 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:11 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Blaine used to say that anyone could build a team to achieve success every 4 or 5 years. He was more about building a program and not have so many highs and lows. Hard to do that with so many departures with the program and questionable (to me at least) recruiting year to year.

How much lower could you get than Blaine Taylor’s last year. Too bad he didn’t subscribe to his own philosophy.

That team was better than this team. JJ was over .500 with it.

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(02-03-2020 05:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:45 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:11 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Blaine used to say that anyone could build a team to achieve success every 4 or 5 years. He was more about building a program and not have so many highs and lows. Hard to do that with so many departures with the program and questionable (to me at least) recruiting year to year.

How much lower could you get than Blaine Taylor’s last year. Too bad he didn’t subscribe to his own philosophy.

That team was better than this team. JJ was over .500 with it.

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This is one of thr dumbest things Ive read on here. That team was 100 points below our current team.

No, JJ got the following years team.

(02-03-2020 05:45 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:11 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Blaine used to say that anyone could build a team to achieve success every 4 or 5 years. He was more about building a program and not have so many highs and lows. Hard to do that with so many departures with the program and questionable (to me at least) recruiting year to year.

How much lower could you get than Blaine Taylor’s last year. Too bad he didn’t subscribe to his own philosophy.

Well obviously Blaine wasn't himself at that time for reasons that we are all aware of. Beyond that he was pretty consistent.

(02-03-2020 05:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:45 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:11 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Blaine used to say that anyone could build a team to achieve success every 4 or 5 years. He was more about building a program and not have so many highs and lows. Hard to do that with so many departures with the program and questionable (to me at least) recruiting year to year.

How much lower could you get than Blaine Taylor’s last year. Too bad he didn’t subscribe to his own philosophy.

That team was better than this team. JJ was over .500 with it.

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Come to think of it, they did win a few games, AFTER BLAINE GOT FIRED.

But everyone they played sucked. Come on, you know that.

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(02-04-2020 07:37 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:45 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:11 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Blaine used to say that anyone could build a team to achieve success every 4 or 5 years. He was more about building a program and not have so many highs and lows. Hard to do that with so many departures with the program and questionable (to me at least) recruiting year to year.

How much lower could you get than Blaine Taylor’s last year. Too bad he didn’t subscribe to his own philosophy.

That team was better than this team. JJ was over .500 with it.

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Come to think of it, they did win a few games, AFTER BLAINE GOT FIRED.

I'm serious, JJ finished 18-18 with almost the exact team. Actually the difference was the 5-25 team had Donte Hill and Desean Painter whereas JJ's team had Baker and Taylor... you argue the 5-25 team was better than both this years team and the team JJ finished 18-18 with. With a sober, or at least functionally drunk Blaine, that 5-25 team wasn't all that terrible. And yes, it was much more competitive after drunk Blaine was fired and Corrigan took over for the last few games. The cupboard wasn't all that bare and some decent young players, a strong fan base and top 50 culture was still there. I'd hate to be the guy to clean up this mess.

(02-04-2020 08:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 07:37 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:45 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:11 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Blaine used to say that anyone could build a team to achieve success every 4 or 5 years. He was more about building a program and not have so many highs and lows. Hard to do that with so many departures with the program and questionable (to me at least) recruiting year to year.

How much lower could you get than Blaine Taylor’s last year. Too bad he didn’t subscribe to his own philosophy.

That team was better than this team. JJ was over .500 with it.

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Come to think of it, they did win a few games, AFTER BLAINE GOT FIRED.

I'm serious, JJ finished 18-18 with almost the exact team. Actually the difference was the 5-25 team had Donte Hill and Desean Painter whereas JJ's team had Baker and Taylor... you argue the 5-25 team was better than both this years team and the team JJ finished 18-18 with. With a sober, or at least functionally drunk Blaine, that 5-25 team wasn't all that terrible. And yes, it was much more competitive after drunk Blaine was fired and Corrigan took over for the last few games. The cupboard wasn't all that bare and some decent young players, a strong fan base and top 50 culture was still there. I'd hate to be the guy to clean up this mess.

“Top 50 culture”. Haha. U can’t be serious. 1 NCAA win by a single point. We had a top 50 culture.... ok. U make it sound like we built some juggernaut. U compare us to Butler and VCU and Witchita State. Not even close, those schools actually did something with their opportunities. We all make fun of this conference soo much, well guess what? UAB, MTSU, and even freaking Marshall won a game in the tournament. I guess Marshall has a “top 50 culture”. I loved those ODU teams too, we should have, we could have. Guess what? We didn’t. So here we are. Come back to reality. We might of been close, but unfortunately that’s not good enough. So keep telling yourself we were some mid major power. Blaine drank himself out of the job because even he realized that he put together a few really good teams that didn’t capitalize on their opportunities. That’s the end of the story. Bad draw, bad game, enter excuses here. It didn’t happen. So then we adopt football and here we are. It’s not rocket science. Quit lying to yourselves and everyone else.

I actually think JJ second season team that went to the FF NIT was better than last year. So why do we pretend they didn't exist? Didn't that team become the first ODU team break into the top-25. If we had so many good teams, why was that one the first to break into the top-25? They had an excellent OOC record and just dropped one game too many. The BT team that made the FF NIT was also a very good team, beating FF VCU twice. I'm one that thinks we can have very good teams without making the NCAA. The life of a mid-major has very little room for error and coming from a 14-team widespread conference doesn't make it any easier.

(02-04-2020 09:16 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 08:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 07:37 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 05:45 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  How much lower could you get than Blaine Taylor’s last year. Too bad he didn’t subscribe to his own philosophy.

That team was better than this team. JJ was over .500 with it.

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Come to think of it, they did win a few games, AFTER BLAINE GOT FIRED.

I'm serious, JJ finished 18-18 with almost the exact team. Actually the difference was the 5-25 team had Donte Hill and Desean Painter whereas JJ's team had Baker and Taylor... you argue the 5-25 team was better than both this years team and the team JJ finished 18-18 with. With a sober, or at least functionally drunk Blaine, that 5-25 team wasn't all that terrible. And yes, it was much more competitive after drunk Blaine was fired and Corrigan took over for the last few games. The cupboard wasn't all that bare and some decent young players, a strong fan base and top 50 culture was still there. I'd hate to be the guy to clean up this mess.

“Top 50 culture”. Haha. U can’t be serious. 1 NCAA win by a single point. We had a top 50 culture.... ok. U make it sound like we built some juggernaut. U compare us to Butler and VCU and Witchita State. Not even close, those schools actually did something with their opportunities. We all make fun of this conference soo much, well guess what? UAB, MTSU, and even freaking Marshall won a game in the tournament. I guess Marshall has a “top 50 culture”. I loved those ODU teams too, we should have, we could have. Guess what? We didn’t. So here we are. Come back to reality. We might of been close, but unfortunately that’s not good enough. So keep telling yourself we were some mid major power. Blaine drank himself out of the job because even he realized that he put together a few really good teams that didn’t capitalize on their opportunities. That’s the end of the story. Bad draw, bad game, enter excuses here. It didn’t happen. So then we adopt football and here we are. It’s not rocket science. Quit lying to yourselves and everyone else.

Thanks for strengthening my point! You just admitted what you are apparently trying to argue against. Whatever you want to call it, it is what it is... culture rot.

(02-04-2020 09:41 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I actually think JJ second season team that went to the FF NIT was better than last year. So why do we pretend they didn't exist? Didn't that team become the first ODU team break into the top-25. If we had so many good teams, why was that one the first to break into the top-25? They had an excellent OOC record and just dropped one game too many. The BT team that made the FF NIT was also a very good team, beating FF VCU twice. I'm one that thinks we can have very good teams without making the NCAA. The life of a mid-major has very little room for error and coming from a 14-team widespread conference doesn't make it any easier.

That team was definitely better than last year's. Last year's team was not very good. It won a bad conference and thus deserves credit, but had we not won the tourney, we wouldn't have even been considered and if we didn't have the NIT autobid locked up, we wouldn't have been considered there either.