(01-29-2020 01:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Penny's learning that college basketball is more than just recruiting. You can throw good players out on the court and win most of the time in the NBA, but not here.

He didn't learn that 25 years ago while playing college basketball himself? He's "learning" college basketball?

Is Memphis destined for a 6 seed this year?

Behind Tulsa, Wichita, Cincy, Houston and SMU?

I believe Memphis was a 5 seed last year.

The Wiseman saga really seemed to unravel things, particularly after he signed with an agent in late December and quit on his teammates and Penny. October seems like a long time ago now...

"I know when I have something special. When I see this group in action, see their abilities, I know what's at stake and I know what's out there. The teams like Michigan State, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, all the usual suspects. I've studied the film. I know who they are, but when I look at this group, I just say to myself, 'We're going to win a national championship.' That's what I know."

(01-29-2020 01:56 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Penny's learning that college basketball is more than just recruiting. You can throw good players out on the court and win most of the time in the NBA, but not here.

He didn't learn that 25 years ago while playing college basketball himself? He's "learning" college basketball?

There's a big difference between being a player and a coach.

A biiiiiiiiiig difference.

(01-29-2020 04:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:56 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Penny's learning that college basketball is more than just recruiting. You can throw good players out on the court and win most of the time in the NBA, but not here.

He didn't learn that 25 years ago while playing college basketball himself? He's "learning" college basketball?

There's a big difference between being a player and a coach.

A biiiiiiiiiig difference.

You do realize his coaching background? Or do I have to spell that out for you?

Not a friendly way to introduce yourself to the AAC Board.

(01-29-2020 09:23 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 08:20 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 07:59 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 08:50 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Might Memphis playing themselves onto the bubble or worse? Before the last two games they were pretty much a lock. But these last two games put that lock into question. I'd say that the only two locks currently are WSU and Houston. Of course that could all change as the season winds down.

Memphis is now a football school. BB doesn't matter much..

Memphis is a school of both FB & BB. No secret I'm a Tiger football first fan, and thankfully our FB program is at a top notch level right now. but also love Tiger BB (Have 6 BB season tix). Yeah we're going thru a tough stretch right now, playing 2 soph's and the rest freshman, but the ship will be righted, and fan support is still there bringing in 16-17k per game. Like Penny said, we're 14-5, not 5-14, not time to panic. We're gonna be aight.

Tonight's game on the road against a respectable UCF team will be a good gage for the rest of the season. From what I saw at the SMU game, I think our team is up to the challenge to beat anyone in the league if we can get the primary rotation down to 7-8 & get away from that switch everything defense especially when we have small guards on the floor. But Penny seems stubborn if anything, so we could well loose over half of our remaining games & miss even the NIT. We'll see....

We played better defense but offense was still horrid...

Our 6% 3 point shooter went 4-6 and we still only scored 59. If he shoots respectably like that all year we only have 2-3 losses.

Memphis vs UConn at FedExForum this weekend is a big game for the Tigers...hope we win by double digits to 'right the ship'

Would be an embarrassing loss for Precious.

(01-29-2020 04:45 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:56 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Penny's learning that college basketball is more than just recruiting. You can throw good players out on the court and win most of the time in the NBA, but not here.

He didn't learn that 25 years ago while playing college basketball himself? He's "learning" college basketball?

There's a big difference between being a player and a coach.

A biiiiiiiiiig difference.

You do realize his coaching background? Or do I have to spell that out for you?

Not a friendly way to introduce yourself to the AAC Board.

What... High school? AAU?

I'm sorry, are new guys supposed to get your approval or something?

I think the facts speak for themselves. Penny aint done jack as a coach yet.

(01-30-2020 11:32 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:45 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:56 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Penny's learning that college basketball is more than just recruiting. You can throw good players out on the court and win most of the time in the NBA, but not here.

He didn't learn that 25 years ago while playing college basketball himself? He's "learning" college basketball?

There's a big difference between being a player and a coach.

A biiiiiiiiiig difference.

You do realize his coaching background? Or do I have to spell that out for you?

Not a friendly way to introduce yourself to the AAC Board.

What... High school? AAU?

I'm sorry, are new guys supposed to get your approval or something?

I think the facts speak for themselves. Penny aint done jack as a coach yet.

State Championships isn't Jack? He hasn't paid his dues on multiple levels to coach at this level? Where do you cockroaches come from?

I'm guessing you have no idea the pact he had with Dez Merriweather, now deceased. Or did even you realize there was an ultimate game plan since he started coaching with Dez in Middle School?

(01-30-2020 01:41 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 11:32 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:45 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:56 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  He didn't learn that 25 years ago while playing college basketball himself? He's "learning" college basketball?

There's a big difference between being a player and a coach.

A biiiiiiiiiig difference.

You do realize his coaching background? Or do I have to spell that out for you?

Not a friendly way to introduce yourself to the AAC Board.

What... High school? AAU?

I'm sorry, are new guys supposed to get your approval or something?

I think the facts speak for themselves. Penny aint done jack as a coach yet.

State Championships isn't Jack? He hasn't paid his dues on multiple levels to coach at this level? Where do you cockroaches come from?

This conversation is interesting to watch.

Original statement: Penny is learning that college isn't all about recruiting
Retort: he played in college so he knows college
Follow-up: Playing and coaching are very different

Then:
Statement: He's coached before
Retort: But not in college (underlying statement: which is a different beast than where he has coached before)


I mean really, this whole thing is "He's learning how to be a college coach" - and with it being his first couple of years coaching college, which again, is very different than other levels in the sport, is a very fair statement.

You love Memphis and the world gets that...it's impossible to not get that with it being your username and all. But you're also jumping to conclusions and being overly sensitive to statements about your coach. Memphis is underachieving this year based on the talent they have, and I think you can agree with that. You have a first time college level head coach, and he needs to adjust to that role more.


How is any of that an unfair assessment of the current situation?

(01-30-2020 01:41 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 11:32 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:45 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 01:56 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  He didn't learn that 25 years ago while playing college basketball himself? He's "learning" college basketball?

There's a big difference between being a player and a coach.

A biiiiiiiiiig difference.

You do realize his coaching background? Or do I have to spell that out for you?

Not a friendly way to introduce yourself to the AAC Board.

What... High school? AAU?

I'm sorry, are new guys supposed to get your approval or something?

I think the facts speak for themselves. Penny aint done jack as a coach yet.

State Championships isn't Jack? He hasn't paid his dues on multiple levels to coach at this level? Where do you cockroaches come from?

I'm guessing you have no idea the pact he had with Dez Merriweather, now deceased. Or did even you realize there was an ultimate game plan since he started coaching with Dez in Middle School?

No, I don't know who the *&^% Dez Merriweather is... and to be frank I don't give a sh*t. Uh, did Penny pay $11,500 to move this guy and his family to Memphis too?

I was coming at it more from how a coach can turn the #1 recruiting class in the country into an 80-40 loss to freakin' Tulsa.

(01-30-2020 02:04 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 01:41 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 11:32 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:45 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  There's a big difference between being a player and a coach.

A biiiiiiiiiig difference.

You do realize his coaching background? Or do I have to spell that out for you?

Not a friendly way to introduce yourself to the AAC Board.

What... High school? AAU?

I'm sorry, are new guys supposed to get your approval or something?

I think the facts speak for themselves. Penny aint done jack as a coach yet.

State Championships isn't Jack? He hasn't paid his dues on multiple levels to coach at this level? Where do you cockroaches come from?

I'm guessing you have no idea the pact he had with Dez Merriweather, now deceased. Or did even you realize there was an ultimate game plan since he started coaching with Dez in Middle School?

No, I don't know who the *&^% Dez Merriweather is... and to be frank I don't give a sh*t. Uh, did Penny pay $11,500 to move this guy and his family to Memphis too?

I was coming at it more from how a coach can turn the #1 recruiting class in the country into an 80-40 loss to freakin' Tulsa.

I can't either on that one. I want to believe it's the "flu like symptoms" purportedly spread to the rest of the team because Penny didn't quarantine him, but I don't know.

You should give a **** who Desmond Merriweather is before you hurle insults at Penny's college coaching
Those are fighting words if you said them to his face and don't understand what drives him.

(01-30-2020 02:20 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 02:04 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 01:41 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 11:32 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:45 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  You do realize his coaching background? Or do I have to spell that out for you?

Not a friendly way to introduce yourself to the AAC Board.

What... High school? AAU?

I'm sorry, are new guys supposed to get your approval or something?

I think the facts speak for themselves. Penny aint done jack as a coach yet.

State Championships isn't Jack? He hasn't paid his dues on multiple levels to coach at this level? Where do you cockroaches come from?

I'm guessing you have no idea the pact he had with Dez Merriweather, now deceased. Or did even you realize there was an ultimate game plan since he started coaching with Dez in Middle School?

No, I don't know who the *&^% Dez Merriweather is... and to be frank I don't give a sh*t. Uh, did Penny pay $11,500 to move this guy and his family to Memphis too?

I was coming at it more from how a coach can turn the #1 recruiting class in the country into an 80-40 loss to freakin' Tulsa.

I can't either on that one. I want to believe it's the "flu like symptoms" purportedly spread to the rest of the team because Penny didn't quarantine him, but I don't know.

You should give a **** who Desmond Merriweather is before you hurle insults at Penny's college coaching
Those are fighting words if you said them to his face and don't understand what drives him.

OK yeah, now that you remind me I actually do know who that guy is. That's all fine and great.

Stay on task here, dude.

We're talking about Penny as coach at Memphis. And... he aint done much.

The flex about the state championships was legitimately hilarious.

High school coaching is different than college coaching, just as pro coaching is different than college coaching. For every college basketball or football coach that succeeds at the pro level there are multiple good to great college coaches who fail. A lot of Memphis fans expected Penny to step in and be great from the start but he’s having a learning experience. He may end up being a great coach, he’s obviously a great recruiter, the question is will the Memphis fans have the patience for his learning curve. They had no patience with Tubby but he wasn’t part of the family like Penny maybe that will be the difference.

(01-30-2020 04:25 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  High school coaching is different than college coaching, just as pro coaching is different than college coaching. For every college basketball or football coach that succeeds at the pro level there are multiple good to great college coaches who fail. A lot of Memphis fans expected Penny to step in and be great from the start but he’s having a learning experience. He may end up being a great coach, he’s obviously a great recruiter, the question is will the Memphis fans have the patience for his learning curve. They had no patience with Tubby but he wasn’t part of the family like Penny maybe that will be the difference.

IMO, in the minds of most Memphis fans, there is an ocean of difference between Tubby and Penny at this point, b/c Penny's recruiting has been at a high level, and Tubby couldn't get anybody here but Jucos.

We all know Penny will have a learning curve, which Tubby certainly didn't have, which also buys Penny much more time. Not to mention, the entire fan base wants Penny to succeed, b/c he is one of us, and will likely stay with us.

(01-30-2020 01:55 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 01:41 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 11:32 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:45 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 04:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  There's a big difference between being a player and a coach.

A biiiiiiiiiig difference.

You do realize his coaching background? Or do I have to spell that out for you?

Not a friendly way to introduce yourself to the AAC Board.

What... High school? AAU?

I'm sorry, are new guys supposed to get your approval or something?

I think the facts speak for themselves. Penny aint done jack as a coach yet.

State Championships isn't Jack? He hasn't paid his dues on multiple levels to coach at this level? Where do you cockroaches come from?

This conversation is interesting to watch.

Original statement: Penny is learning that college isn't all about recruiting
Retort: he played in college so he knows college
Follow-up: Playing and coaching are very different

Then:
Statement: He's coached before
Retort: But not in college (underlying statement: which is a different beast than where he has coached before)


I mean really, this whole thing is "He's learning how to be a college coach" - and with it being his first couple of years coaching college, which again, is very different than other levels in the sport, is a very fair statement.

You love Memphis and the world gets that...it's impossible to not get that with it being your username and all. But you're also jumping to conclusions and being overly sensitive to statements about your coach. Memphis is underachieving this year based on the talent they have, and I think you can agree with that. You have a first time college level head coach, and he needs to adjust to that role more.


How is any of that an unfair assessment of the current situation?

It probably is unfair without also acknowledging that Penny likely over achieved last season. I think he clearly out coaches Marshall at WSU in a close game & then going on to the NIT with essentially the same talent as Tubby who did not make any tournament appearances while at Memphis. Yet no one questioned the coaching ability of Tubby Smith, at least during his tenure at Memphis, or Greg Marshall's. That said, Penny has been out coached in several aspects this season in several games, game planning & game floor coaching decisions (player decisions & failure to adjust). Memphis has lots of young talent & its a tough challenge because talent alone rarely dominates.

(01-30-2020 04:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-30-2020 04:25 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  High school coaching is different than college coaching, just as pro coaching is different than college coaching. For every college basketball or football coach that succeeds at the pro level there are multiple good to great college coaches who fail. A lot of Memphis fans expected Penny to step in and be great from the start but he’s having a learning experience. He may end up being a great coach, he’s obviously a great recruiter, the question is will the Memphis fans have the patience for his learning curve. They had no patience with Tubby but he wasn’t part of the family like Penny maybe that will be the difference.

IMO, in the minds of most Memphis fans, there is an ocean of difference between Tubby and Penny at this point, b/c Penny's recruiting has been at a high level, and Tubby couldn't get anybody here but Jucos.

We all know Penny will have a learning curve, which Tubby certainly didn't have, which also buys Penny much more time. Not to mention, the entire fan base wants Penny to succeed, b/c he is one of us, and will likely stay with us.

I don't see him swinging the same level of recruiting class again until he learns how to coach. Precious is going to go to the NBA after this season. I could see Jeffries leaving as well. Penny doesn't seem to be able to coach 4 of the top 60 players to the highest level... what's going to happen when he doesn't have those guys either?

Penny is a sophmore as a college coach. He's got ... room for improvement. But if he can keep bringing in talent like Precious Achuiwa ... He's gonna be fine. Don't ya think ?

(01-30-2020 04:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I think he clearly out coaches Marshall at WSU in a close game & then going on to the NIT with essentially the same talent as Tubby who did not make any tournament appearances while at Memphis.

Just curious how so? I actually don't remember the game. I think the entire notion of being "out coached" in a given game is way over done.

I think coaches make the best decisions they can on the information before them and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

I think you have to look at more than a game about being "out coached".

Maybe an actual coach can weigh in. Was Custer outcoached at the Little Bighorn? Or did he just have bad information?