This is just for fun.

But what if college football went to three subdivisions?

How would you do it? Would it be based on money, history or both? Would numerical equality matter to you?

I have a couple configurations but I'll lay out just one below.

Level I

PAC
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington St
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Texas Tech, UCLA, USC

B1G
West: Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
East: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue

SEC
West: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas A&M
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Tennessee

ACC
North: Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, North Carolina, Virginia

Metro
North: Army, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane

MWC
West: Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego St
East: Air Force, Baylor, Houston, Navy, SMU, TCU, Tulsa

IND: Notre Dame

Level II

Big Sky
West: Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Northern Arizona, UC Davis, UNLV, Sacramento St, San Jose St
East: Montana, Montana St, New Mexico, Utah St, UTEP, UTSA, Weber St, Wyoming


Southland
West: Lamar, New Mexico St, North Texas, Rice, Sam Houston St, Stephen F. Austin St, Texas St
East: Louisiana Tech, McNeese St, Nicholls St, Northwestern St, Southeastern Louisiana, UL Lafayette, UL Monroe

Sun Belt
North: Appalachian St, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Liberty, Old Dominion
South: Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Jacksonville St, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB

MVC
West: Illinois St, North Dakota, North Dakota St, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, South Dakota St, Western Illinois
East: Arkansas St, Ball St, Central Arkansas, Eastern Illinois, Indiana St, Missouri St, Southeast Missouri St, Southern Illinois

MAC
North: Akron, Bowling Green St, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent St, Toledo, Western Michigan
South: Eastern Kentucky, Marshall, Miami OH, Middle Tennessee St, Ohio, Western Kentucky, Youngstown St

CAA
North: Albany, Buffalo, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
South: Delaware, Georgetown, James Madison, Richmond, Stony Brook, Towson, Villanova

Level III

Ivy: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

Patriot: Bucknell, Colgate, Duquesne, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, William & Mary

SWAC: Alabama A&M, Alabama St, Alcorn St, Grambling St, Jackson St, Mississippi Valley St, Prairie View A&M, Southern, Texas Southern, UAPB

MEAC: Bethune-Cookman, Delaware St, Florida A&M, Hampton, Howard, Morgan St, Norfolk St, North Carolina A&T, North Carolina Central, South Carolina St

SOCON: Campbell, Chattanooga, The Citadel, Davidson, East Tennessee St, Elon, Gardner-Webb, Tennessee St, Tennessee Tech, VMI, Western Carolina

Big South: Charleston Southern, Furman, Kennesaw St, Mercer, North Alabama, Presbyterian, Samford, Stetson, Wofford

OVC: Austin Peay St, Butler, Dayton, Drake, Morehead St, Murray St, St. Thomas, UT Martin, Valparaiso

NEC: Bryant, Central Connecticut St, Long Island, Marist, Merrimack, Monmouth, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, St. Francis PA, Wagner

WAC: Abilene Christian, Dixie St, Houston Baptist, Idaho St, Incarnate Word, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Portland St, San Diego, Southern Utah, Tarleton St

If it happens I would expect the top level to contract instead of expand & the next level would bring some up from FCS but not as many as you suggest

What's fun about this?

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(01-20-2020 11:36 AM)panama Wrote:  What's fun about this?

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Fun is subjective so it may be fun for 99% of people and not you OR just me and no one else. Who cares?

The old Big 8 splintered 3 ways?
La Tech, Rice, and Southern Miss demoted while Tulane and Tulsa stay up?
Navy's closest conference mate in Oklahoma?
Those huge D-1B conferences?

It needs a little work.

As for how I'd do it, it'd be history, resources, proximity, and institutional fit. The game's better with rivals and like-minded schools together.

I wouldn't mind seeing the FBS split into three subdivisions, with 40-45 schools in each. In my mind, there would be clear distinctions in talent levels, resources and fan support between all three such groups, but little difference within each group.

This is as ridiculous as your post on the MAC board that was laughed at.

This looks like the fantasy of the former Big Sky commissioner, he wanted there to be a middle football subdivision in D-I where the Big Sky competed with the G5 conferences.

I think that if anything the G5 will merge them into the FCS. Give the 5 G5 champs Auto bids and maybe allow FCS bowl games during the week for teams not in the playoffs.

Eventually there will be only 30 "Tier I" teams and all the other P5 fools who stupidly voted with the "Elites" to continue getting that big ESPN laced payday with also be left out in the cold.

(01-20-2020 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  This is just for fun.

But what if college football went to three subdivisions?

How would you do it? Would it be based on money, history or both? Would numerical equality matter to you?

I have a couple configurations but I'll lay out just one below.

Level I

PAC
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington St
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Texas Tech, UCLA, USC

B1G
West: Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
East: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue

SEC
West: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas A&M
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Tennessee

ACC
North: Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, North Carolina, Virginia

Metro
North: Army, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane

MWC
West: Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego St
East: Air Force, Baylor, Houston, Navy, SMU, TCU, Tulsa

IND: Notre Dame

Level II

Big Sky
West: Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Northern Arizona, UC Davis, UNLV, Sacramento St, San Jose St
East: Montana, Montana St, New Mexico, Utah St, UTEP, UTSA, Weber St, Wyoming


Southland
West: Lamar, New Mexico St, North Texas, Rice, Sam Houston St, Stephen F. Austin St, Texas St
East: Louisiana Tech, McNeese St, Nicholls St, Northwestern St, Southeastern Louisiana, UL Lafayette, UL Monroe

Sun Belt
North: Appalachian St, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Liberty, Old Dominion
South: Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Jacksonville St, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB

MVC
West: Illinois St, North Dakota, North Dakota St, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, South Dakota St, Western Illinois
East: Arkansas St, Ball St, Central Arkansas, Eastern Illinois, Indiana St, Missouri St, Southeast Missouri St, Southern Illinois

MAC
North: Akron, Bowling Green St, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent St, Toledo, Western Michigan
South: Eastern Kentucky, Marshall, Miami OH, Middle Tennessee St, Ohio, Western Kentucky, Youngstown St

CAA
North: Albany, Buffalo, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
South: Delaware, Georgetown, James Madison, Richmond, Stony Brook, Towson, Villanova

Level III

Ivy: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

Patriot: Bucknell, Colgate, Duquesne, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, William & Mary

SWAC: Alabama A&M, Alabama St, Alcorn St, Grambling St, Jackson St, Mississippi Valley St, Prairie View A&M, Southern, Texas Southern, UAPB

MEAC: Bethune-Cookman, Delaware St, Florida A&M, Hampton, Howard, Morgan St, Norfolk St, North Carolina A&T, North Carolina Central, South Carolina St

SOCON: Campbell, Chattanooga, The Citadel, Davidson, East Tennessee St, Elon, Gardner-Webb, Tennessee St, Tennessee Tech, VMI, Western Carolina

Big South: Charleston Southern, Furman, Kennesaw St, Mercer, North Alabama, Presbyterian, Samford, Stetson, Wofford

OVC: Austin Peay St, Butler, Dayton, Drake, Morehead St, Murray St, St. Thomas, UT Martin, Valparaiso

NEC: Bryant, Central Connecticut St, Long Island, Marist, Merrimack, Monmouth, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, St. Francis PA, Wagner

WAC: Abilene Christian, Dixie St, Houston Baptist, Idaho St, Incarnate Word, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Portland St, San Diego, Southern Utah, Tarleton St

The split between the 3 divisions looks about right.

(01-20-2020 01:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  This looks like the fantasy of the former Big Sky commissioner, he wanted there to be a middle football subdivision in D-I where the Big Sky competed with the G5 conferences.

Big Sky and MVC have kind of separated themselves from the rest of FCS. Maybe Colonial is in the same category.

And maybe its not that those have separated, but the others have fallen down bringing up weak Division II programs and losing stronger programs to FBS.

(01-20-2020 12:59 PM)utpotts Wrote:  This is as ridiculous as your post on the MAC board that was laughed at.

Lol and I care?

This is fairly simple. 255 total teams currently in division 1. 130 in FBS, 125 in FCS. So 255 ÷ 3 = 85 teams each level. That's the rough goal.

Level 1 - 83 teams total
All 65 P5 schools (includes ND)
+ BYU, Army, UConn

AAC - 7 teams total in level 1
Hou, SMU, USF, UCF, Cincy, Memphis, Navy

MWC - 8 teams total in level 1
SDSU, Fresno ST, UNLV, Boise St, Col ST, AFA, New Mexico, Hawaii

Level 2 - 82 teams total
NMSU, Liberty, UMass

AAC - 4 teams total in level 2
Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, Temple

MWC - 4 teams total in level 2
SJSU, Nevada, USU, Wyoming

All teams in
CUSA-14
MAC-12
SBT-10
MVFC-10
Big Sky-13
CAA-12

Level 3 - 89 teams total
Southern-9
Southland-11
Ohio valley-9
IVY-8
Big South-8
MEAC-9
Northeast-8
Patriot-7
SWAC-10
Pioneer-10

(01-20-2020 02:05 PM)goofus Wrote:  This is fairly simple. 255 total teams currently in division 1. 130 in FBS, 125 in FCS. So 255 ÷ 3 = 85.

Level 1 - 83 teams total
All 65 P5 schools (includes ND)
+ BYU, Army, UConn

AAC - 7 teams total in level 1
Hou, SMU, USF, UCF, Cincy, Memphis, Navy

MWC - 8 teams total in level 1
SDSU, Fresno ST, UNLV, Boise St, Col ST, AFA, New Mexico, Hawaii

Level 2 - 91 teams total
NMSU, Liberty, UMass

AAC - 4 teams total in level 2
Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, Temple

MWC - 4 teams total in level 2
SJSU, Nevada, USU, Wyoming

All teams in
CUSA-14
MAC-12
SBT-10
MVFC-10
Big Sky-13
CAA-12
Southern-9

Level 3 - 80 teams total
Southland-11
Ohio valley-9
IVY-8
Big South-8
MEAC-9
Northeast-8
Patriot-7
SWAC-10
Pioneer-10

Temple and Utah State probably belong in Level 1, while UConn most certainly does not.

(01-20-2020 02:14 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Temple and Utah State probably belong in Level 1, while UConn most certainly does not.

They are all borderline calls. I will give you that maybe UConn is probably below the line. But Temple, and USU both feel like MAC-CUSA-SBT level programs to me,which all ended up in level 2.

Given that the total number of DI football schools is close to 256, I say have 4 subdivisions of 64.

(01-20-2020 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  This is just for fun.

Wouldn't it have been just as much "fun" to post this under one of the thousand other threads where people mindlessly reorganize all the conferences?

(01-20-2020 02:32 PM)TuckerGnat Wrote:  Wouldn't it have been just as much "fun" to post this under one of the thousand other threads where people mindlessly reorganize all the conferences?

Hey look, an anti-realignment troll in the realignment forum. How original.

I dont know what division to put it in, but i would rather see

North Alabama
Jacksonville State
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Kennesaw State
Georgia Southern
App. State
Liberty
JMU
Coastal Carolina
Chattanooga
Middle Tennessee State

And if the "super conferences" come into play,

La Tech
Louisiana
Ark State
Missouri State