(01-17-2020 03:49 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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There are always a lot of things that go into winning and losing games, but the statistics do bear out why some of the fanbase is frustrated with the lack of calls in conference this year.

UC's free throw rate (FTA/FGA) is 23.8, dead last in the conference by a wide margin. SMU is second to last at 28.0, but they shoot 3s (3PA/FGA) at the highest rate in the conference by far at 47.1% of their takes. UC shoots 3s at the second lowest rate in the conference at 32.8%.

One stat never tells the whole story, but UC does appear to have gotten a bit of an unfriendly whistle so far in conference based on the numbers.

Perhaps your explanation is the reason behind it, but I can't find another plausible one as it certainly isn't as if UC is undersized or taking lots of mid range shots.

The reffing is inconsistent for sure. Half to half often times are called completely different. Last night was the first conference game I watched of Cincy this year but it definitely appeared like they were focused more on trying to draw fouls

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(01-17-2020 03:49 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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There are always a lot of things that go into winning and losing games, but the statistics do bear out why some of the fanbase is frustrated with the lack of calls in conference this year.

UC's free throw rate (FTA/FGA) is 23.8, dead last in the conference by a wide margin. SMU is second to last at 28.0, but they shoot 3s (3PA/FGA) at the highest rate in the conference by far at 47.1% of their takes. UC shoots 3s at the second lowest rate in the conference at 32.8%.

One stat never tells the whole story, but UC does appear to have gotten a bit of an unfriendly whistle so far in conference based on the numbers.

Perhaps your explanation is the reason behind it, but I can't find another plausible one as it certainly isn't as if UC is undersized or taking lots of mid range shots.

UC was drawing a ton of fouls in the nonconference which made sense because they have an attacking offense that would draw fouls. I think it's pretty clear they've been getting a bad whistle.

(01-17-2020 04:09 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 03:49 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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There are always a lot of things that go into winning and losing games, but the statistics do bear out why some of the fanbase is frustrated with the lack of calls in conference this year.

UC's free throw rate (FTA/FGA) is 23.8, dead last in the conference by a wide margin. SMU is second to last at 28.0, but they shoot 3s (3PA/FGA) at the highest rate in the conference by far at 47.1% of their takes. UC shoots 3s at the second lowest rate in the conference at 32.8%.

One stat never tells the whole story, but UC does appear to have gotten a bit of an unfriendly whistle so far in conference based on the numbers.

Perhaps your explanation is the reason behind it, but I can't find another plausible one as it certainly isn't as if UC is undersized or taking lots of mid range shots.

UC was drawing a ton of fouls in the nonconference which made sense because they have an attacking offense that would draw fouls. I think it's pretty clear they've been getting a bad whistle.

Maybe it's possible the other teams were getting a bad whistle in the non con...

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(01-17-2020 04:23 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:09 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 03:49 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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There are always a lot of things that go into winning and losing games, but the statistics do bear out why some of the fanbase is frustrated with the lack of calls in conference this year.

UC's free throw rate (FTA/FGA) is 23.8, dead last in the conference by a wide margin. SMU is second to last at 28.0, but they shoot 3s (3PA/FGA) at the highest rate in the conference by far at 47.1% of their takes. UC shoots 3s at the second lowest rate in the conference at 32.8%.

One stat never tells the whole story, but UC does appear to have gotten a bit of an unfriendly whistle so far in conference based on the numbers.

Perhaps your explanation is the reason behind it, but I can't find another plausible one as it certainly isn't as if UC is undersized or taking lots of mid range shots.

UC was drawing a ton of fouls in the nonconference which made sense because they have an attacking offense that would draw fouls. I think it's pretty clear they've been getting a bad whistle.

Maybe it's possible the other teams were getting a bad whistle in the non con...

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It's not like there is some overarching conspiracy against us (as much as some of my fellow fans would love to buy into that), so it will likely either stabilize as conference play goes on (more likely), or we'll have to start shooting more outside shots. Drawing that few free throws despite playing that close to the hoop isn't going to work offensively for us.

(01-17-2020 04:33 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:23 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:09 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 03:49 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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There are always a lot of things that go into winning and losing games, but the statistics do bear out why some of the fanbase is frustrated with the lack of calls in conference this year.

UC's free throw rate (FTA/FGA) is 23.8, dead last in the conference by a wide margin. SMU is second to last at 28.0, but they shoot 3s (3PA/FGA) at the highest rate in the conference by far at 47.1% of their takes. UC shoots 3s at the second lowest rate in the conference at 32.8%.

One stat never tells the whole story, but UC does appear to have gotten a bit of an unfriendly whistle so far in conference based on the numbers.

Perhaps your explanation is the reason behind it, but I can't find another plausible one as it certainly isn't as if UC is undersized or taking lots of mid range shots.

UC was drawing a ton of fouls in the nonconference which made sense because they have an attacking offense that would draw fouls. I think it's pretty clear they've been getting a bad whistle.

Maybe it's possible the other teams were getting a bad whistle in the non con...

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It's not like there is some overarching conspiracy against us (as much as some of my fellow fans would love to buy into that), so it will likely either stabilize as conference play goes on (more likely), or we'll have to start shooting more outside shots. Drawing that few free throws despite playing that close to the hoop isn't going to work offensively for us.

That's a fair assessment.

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Odds for 1/18/20 (Saturday) games:
UConn at Nova at 11am on FS1
Nova -9.5

Tulsa at Tulane at 1pm on ESPN3
Tulane -1

Houston at WSU at 3pm on ESPN2
WSU -3

USF at UCF at 5pm on ESPNU
UCF -4.5

Temple at SMU at 7pm on ESPNU
SMU -4.5

(01-17-2020 12:26 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  For all non Memphis/Cincy fans, isn't this what a classic rivalry looks like. A good ole' message board version of a bar fight.

Yeah! Let's get these AAC conference rivalries rolling!

Yes! This conference needs it in the worst way.


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(01-17-2020 06:35 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 01:27 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:53 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:17 PM)Halfcourt Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Cincy - a traditional power - is a constant thorn in the Tiger paw. It feels good to finally beat them.

It’s been a theme lately.

Has it? That’s the first time the Tigers have beaten UC in 4 (!!!!) years.

Was that before or after the Tigers defeated UC the last 4 matchups in FB?

That's been, what 6 years total now since 2014 we've owned Cincy in football? 41-14 Tigers, and we're still eating Bearcats for Breakfast in FB.

Now Tiger Basketball is back.

Remind us again what you were bragging about this said 4 years with 4 exclamation marks you speak of?

In regards to football, having two games at your home was fortuitous. Also this is the first year that we have played since the Flubbs disaster. Memphis won fair and square, but have you checked the recruiting page the past couple of years? In re basketball, we may be in some trouble with you. I think we got a sixty percent chance of getting you at home, because I believe your team will get better when Penny shortens the bench. If he does not shorten the bench our odds climb. The game in Cincy will be much more aesthetic. regards rose.

In recap:

Football....Memphis was better but you cry about game locations. The 2nd could have been in Cincy....it wasn’t. 2-0.

Basketball.....Huggins was completely clean yet you never graduated anyone while he was there. 1-0.

I look forward to the basketball game in Cincy and in all honesty....I think you win.

I have been there for the Cincy heartache and I don’t like your school very much. Let’s do this, both make the NCAA, and have a run.


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(01-17-2020 11:53 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 06:35 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 01:27 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:53 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:17 PM)Halfcourt Wrote:  It’s been a theme lately.

Has it? That’s the first time the Tigers have beaten UC in 4 (!!!!) years.

Was that before or after the Tigers defeated UC the last 4 matchups in FB?

That's been, what 6 years total now since 2014 we've owned Cincy in football? 41-14 Tigers, and we're still eating Bearcats for Breakfast in FB.

Now Tiger Basketball is back.

Remind us again what you were bragging about this said 4 years with 4 exclamation marks you speak of?

In regards to football, having two games at your home was fortuitous. Also this is the first year that we have played since the Flubbs disaster. Memphis won fair and square, but have you checked the recruiting page the past couple of years? In re basketball, we may be in some trouble with you. I think we got a sixty percent chance of getting you at home, because I believe your team will get better when Penny shortens the bench. If he does not shorten the bench our odds climb. The game in Cincy will be much more aesthetic. regards rose.

In recap:

Football....Memphis was better but you cry about game locations. The 2nd could have been in Cincy....it wasn’t. 2-0.

Basketball.....Huggins was completely clean yet you never graduated anyone while he was there. 1-0.

I look forward to the basketball game in Cincy and in all honesty....I think you win.

I have been there for the Cincy heartache and I don’t like your school very much. Let’s do this, both make the NCAA, and have a run.


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Oh, wait... Are THESE the BASTARDS???? 4th and 27???? Awe, screw THEM!!! Yeah, I forgot about that...

Cincinnati! Da un-brutiful in da worl...

Yeah... I had forgotten...
From Wikipedia:

Quote:Notable Games
Nov 24, 2001: Memphis was searching for their first winning season since 1994 and the story looked complete when the Tigers scored a touchdown with 2:16 left in the 4th quarter. However, Bearcats QB Gino Guidugli led a 75 yard drive, including a 36–yard catch on 4th and 27, that would end with the Bearcats scoring a touchdown with 4 seconds left to win 36–34.[4]

(01-17-2020 10:45 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 10:25 AM)tharmon15 Wrote:  Refs can’t and don’t decide games. They didn’t decided Memphis losing to Temple last year, and they didn’t decide Memphis beating Cincinnati yesterday. That’s why you have to play the full game and not count on the refs impacting it positively or negatively for you. They impact certain points of the game, but the game hinges upon how well or how poor you play. You have to overcome obstacles during play.

I agree. The officials were awful last night, but it wasn't like it was so one sided as to decide the game. Memphis just played a lot better. Tre Scott was atrocious for us last night and we aren't going to be able to win without him being at least passable. Between that and the complete lack of production from the bench, we had no shot to win on the road. We just need to play better.

As much as I hate to agree with Jay Bilas, there were a few calls there I did think Memphis got away with. Maybe Cincy gets them there. I'm still waiting on Cumberland to break out and sprout from a root into a tree in a single game. He has a female or something distracting him from his game on the side.

(01-17-2020 11:43 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:26 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  For all non Memphis/Cincy fans, isn't this what a classic rivalry looks like. A good ole' message board version of a bar fight.

Yeah! Let's get these AAC conference rivalries rolling!

Yes! This conference needs it in the worst way.


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Y'all are trying too hard.

(01-18-2020 12:21 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  [

As much as I hate to agree with Jay Bilas, there were a few calls there I did think Memphis got away with. Maybe Cincy gets them there. I'm still waiting on Cumberland to break out and sprout from a root into a tree in a single game. He has a female or something distracting him from his game on the side.

Good post. And I wouldn't say UC lost because of the officials. They lost mostly because Memphis is elite defending at the rim and uc is highly dependent on scoring at the rim. I thought UC still got some looks they usually make but just didn't finish. It was a lot harder because of the Memphis interior defense. If they get a couple calls when attacking at home it could be big though.

When I said the no call on Cumberland then quick technical effectively ended the game its because it went from a possible 2 point game late to an 8 on that sequence. Memphis still maybe wins but would have been nice as uc fan to play it from there. Honestly the thing that worried me most and I wrote about before the game was the Memphis defense at the rim and that was absolutely the key to the game .

I just finished re-watching the game. I didn't actually count them, but it did seem Memphis got more of the bad calls go their way than did Cinci (home cooking? maybe). That said, there were just a LOT of bad calls period, and Cinci got plenty go their way too. Lomax got fouled several times and not one call. Bilas was appalled at some of the no calls both ways.

(01-18-2020 08:35 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 12:21 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  [

As much as I hate to agree with Jay Bilas, there were a few calls there I did think Memphis got away with. Maybe Cincy gets them there. I'm still waiting on Cumberland to break out and sprout from a root into a tree in a single game. He has a female or something distracting him from his game on the side.

Good post. And I wouldn't say UC lost because of the officials. They lost mostly because Memphis is elite defending at the rim and uc is highly dependent on scoring at the rim. I thought UC still got some looks they usually make but just didn't finish. It was a lot harder because of the Memphis interior defense. If they get a couple calls when attacking at home it could be big though.

When I said the no call on Cumberland then quick technical effectively ended the game its because it went from a possible 2 point game late to an 8 on that sequence. Memphis still maybe wins but would have been nice as uc fan to play it from there. Honestly the thing that worried me most and I wrote about before the game was the Memphis defense at the rim and that was absolutely the key to the game .

Your signatures lend gravitas to your posts.

(01-18-2020 11:08 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 08:35 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 12:21 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  [

As much as I hate to agree with Jay Bilas, there were a few calls there I did think Memphis got away with. Maybe Cincy gets them there. I'm still waiting on Cumberland to break out and sprout from a root into a tree in a single game. He has a female or something distracting him from his game on the side.

Good post. And I wouldn't say UC lost because of the officials. They lost mostly because Memphis is elite defending at the rim and uc is highly dependent on scoring at the rim. I thought UC still got some looks they usually make but just didn't finish. It was a lot harder because of the Memphis interior defense. If they get a couple calls when attacking at home it could be big though.

When I said the no call on Cumberland then quick technical effectively ended the game its because it went from a possible 2 point game late to an 8 on that sequence. Memphis still maybe wins but would have been nice as uc fan to play it from there. Honestly the thing that worried me most and I wrote about before the game was the Memphis defense at the rim and that was absolutely the key to the game .

Your signatures lend gravitas to your posts.

Gravitas....I like that word. Issac Newton discovered it back in 1687 ya know.

I can't wait for the Houston/Wheaties game. One of them is going to lose.

I'm at the St. John's game now at MSG. Crazy atmosphere, no surprise they got the Fox Noon slot Wichy will never get even if they played a big time team like Memphis or Cincy. I think Houston beats the Corn Flakes today.

Loving this UConn-'Nova game! Just feels "right"....

Great atmosphere at the Garden too! As a college hoops fan first, I still appreciate the Big East...

(01-18-2020 12:46 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  I'm at the St. John's game now at MSG. Crazy atmosphere, no surprise they got the Fox Noon slot Wichy will never get even if they played a big time team like Memphis or Cincy. I think Houston beats the Corn Flakes today.

I'm watching it. Lots of energy from both teams, let's see if St. John's can keep this up for the whole game. I'll bet it's a blast to see in person.