It was 3 on 5. 3 guys scored virtually all your points.

(01-17-2020 10:25 AM)tharmon15 Wrote:  Refs can’t and don’t decide games. They didn’t decided Memphis losing to Temple last year, and they didn’t decide Memphis beating Cincinnati yesterday. That’s why you have to play the full game and not count on the refs impacting it positively or negatively for you. They impact certain points of the game, but the game hinges upon how well or how poor you play. You have to overcome obstacles during play.

Sorry, we would have won that Temple game if that call was not made. It would have been undefeated regular season. Jmo

(01-17-2020 11:02 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 10:25 AM)tharmon15 Wrote:  Refs can’t and don’t decide games. They didn’t decided Memphis losing to Temple last year, and they didn’t decide Memphis beating Cincinnati yesterday. That’s why you have to play the full game and not count on the refs impacting it positively or negatively for you. They impact certain points of the game, but the game hinges upon how well or how poor you play. You have to overcome obstacles during play.

Sorry, we would have won that Temple game if that call was not made. It would have been undefeated regular season. Jmo

I thought it was a bad call. Through my POV, I don’t think we should have been in the position in the first place. We were a much better team. If we would have played better, that blown call would not have mattered. That’s just how I view these type of things.

Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

BTW I think Memphis fans are my favorite fans in conference. Really enjoy our games and back and forth (even though last night was brutal to watch for my guys).

(01-17-2020 11:52 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  BTW I think Memphis fans are my favorite fans in conference. Really enjoy our games and back and forth (even though last night was brutal to watch for my guys).

Yeah, I'm starting to warm back up to a rivalry with UC in both sports.

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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I don't agree with this. I do think against Memphis part of the strategy was to take it into them because Memphis is such a great shot blocking team. Often going at the shot blocker is the best way to avoid getting your shot blocked. I thought there were a lot of uncalled fouls were Memphis would lose verticality and reach in those situations. That combined with UC's inability to finish when they got it off cleanly really doomed them.

(01-17-2020 12:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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I don't agree with this. I do think against Memphis part of the strategy was to take it into them because Memphis is such a great shot blocking team. Often going at the shot blocker is the best way to avoid getting your shot blocked. I thought there were a lot of uncalled fouls were Memphis would lose verticality and reach in those situations. That combined with UC's inability to finish when they got it off cleanly really doomed them.

I wouldn't expect you to agree as a bearcat fan. As a fan that really didn't care who won, that's what I saw. The disputed Cumberland foul is a perfect example. He was TRYING to draw a foul. He wasn't trying to put himself into a position to make a shot. He went full speed into two defenders who were pretty well set.

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(01-17-2020 12:43 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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I don't agree with this. I do think against Memphis part of the strategy was to take it into them because Memphis is such a great shot blocking team. Often going at the shot blocker is the best way to avoid getting your shot blocked. I thought there were a lot of uncalled fouls were Memphis would lose verticality and reach in those situations. That combined with UC's inability to finish when they got it off cleanly really doomed them.

I wouldn't expect you to agree as a bearcat fan. As a fan that really didn't care who won, that's what I saw. The disputed Cumberland foul is a perfect example. He was TRYING to draw a foul. He wasn't trying to put himself into a position to make a shot. He went full speed into two defenders who were pretty well set.

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FWIW, Penny said Cumberland likes to “torpedo” into defenders and The Tigers could draw offensive fouls by maintaining “verticality”.

(01-17-2020 12:43 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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I don't agree with this. I do think against Memphis part of the strategy was to take it into them because Memphis is such a great shot blocking team. Often going at the shot blocker is the best way to avoid getting your shot blocked. I thought there were a lot of uncalled fouls were Memphis would lose verticality and reach in those situations. That combined with UC's inability to finish when they got it off cleanly really doomed them.

I wouldn't expect you to agree as a bearcat fan. As a fan that really didn't care who won, that's what I saw. The disputed Cumberland foul is a perfect example. He was TRYING to draw a foul. He wasn't trying to put himself into a position to make a shot. He went full speed into two defenders who were pretty well set.

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Except neither defender was set and both had to move while he was in the air to block the rim that he was trying to get to.

(01-17-2020 12:48 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:43 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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I don't agree with this. I do think against Memphis part of the strategy was to take it into them because Memphis is such a great shot blocking team. Often going at the shot blocker is the best way to avoid getting your shot blocked. I thought there were a lot of uncalled fouls were Memphis would lose verticality and reach in those situations. That combined with UC's inability to finish when they got it off cleanly really doomed them.

I wouldn't expect you to agree as a bearcat fan. As a fan that really didn't care who won, that's what I saw. The disputed Cumberland foul is a perfect example. He was TRYING to draw a foul. He wasn't trying to put himself into a position to make a shot. He went full speed into two defenders who were pretty well set.

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Except neither defender was set and both had to move while he was in the air to block the rim that he was trying to get to.

You are watching something different than I did.

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(01-17-2020 12:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:43 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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I don't agree with this. I do think against Memphis part of the strategy was to take it into them because Memphis is such a great shot blocking team. Often going at the shot blocker is the best way to avoid getting your shot blocked. I thought there were a lot of uncalled fouls were Memphis would lose verticality and reach in those situations. That combined with UC's inability to finish when they got it off cleanly really doomed them.

I wouldn't expect you to agree as a bearcat fan. As a fan that really didn't care who won, that's what I saw. The disputed Cumberland foul is a perfect example. He was TRYING to draw a foul. He wasn't trying to put himself into a position to make a shot. He went full speed into two defenders who were pretty well set.

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FWIW, Penny said Cumberland likes to “torpedo” into defenders and The Tigers could draw offensive fouls by maintaining “verticality”.

I'd agree with that statement. That's how he's been throughout his career. To his credit, it works to his advantage a lot of the time

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(01-17-2020 12:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:43 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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I don't agree with this. I do think against Memphis part of the strategy was to take it into them because Memphis is such a great shot blocking team. Often going at the shot blocker is the best way to avoid getting your shot blocked. I thought there were a lot of uncalled fouls were Memphis would lose verticality and reach in those situations. That combined with UC's inability to finish when they got it off cleanly really doomed them.

I wouldn't expect you to agree as a bearcat fan. As a fan that really didn't care who won, that's what I saw. The disputed Cumberland foul is a perfect example. He was TRYING to draw a foul. He wasn't trying to put himself into a position to make a shot. He went full speed into two defenders who were pretty well set.

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FWIW, Penny said Cumberland likes to “torpedo” into defenders and The Tigers could draw offensive fouls by maintaining “verticality”.

I'd agree with that statement. That's how he's been throughout his career. To his credit, it works to his advantage a lot of the time

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And you're watching something different than the announcers did. But not surprising you have your notion about Cumberland, which is clear from this post, and are seeing what you want to see based on it.

(01-17-2020 12:53 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:43 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I don't agree with this. I do think against Memphis part of the strategy was to take it into them because Memphis is such a great shot blocking team. Often going at the shot blocker is the best way to avoid getting your shot blocked. I thought there were a lot of uncalled fouls were Memphis would lose verticality and reach in those situations. That combined with UC's inability to finish when they got it off cleanly really doomed them.

I wouldn't expect you to agree as a bearcat fan. As a fan that really didn't care who won, that's what I saw. The disputed Cumberland foul is a perfect example. He was TRYING to draw a foul. He wasn't trying to put himself into a position to make a shot. He went full speed into two defenders who were pretty well set.

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FWIW, Penny said Cumberland likes to “torpedo” into defenders and The Tigers could draw offensive fouls by maintaining “verticality”.

I'd agree with that statement. That's how he's been throughout his career. To his credit, it works to his advantage a lot of the time

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And you're watching something different than the announcers did. But not surprising you have your notion about Cumberland, which is clear from this post, and are seeing what you want to see based on it.

To be clear... Are you accusing me of being biased towards Memphis?

And I'm sure "bearcatmark" is completely unbiased about the Bearcats

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(01-17-2020 12:55 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:53 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:43 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I wouldn't expect you to agree as a bearcat fan. As a fan that really didn't care who won, that's what I saw. The disputed Cumberland foul is a perfect example. He was TRYING to draw a foul. He wasn't trying to put himself into a position to make a shot. He went full speed into two defenders who were pretty well set.

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FWIW, Penny said Cumberland likes to “torpedo” into defenders and The Tigers could draw offensive fouls by maintaining “verticality”.

I'd agree with that statement. That's how he's been throughout his career. To his credit, it works to his advantage a lot of the time

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And you're watching something different than the announcers did. But not surprising you have your notion about Cumberland, which is clear from this post, and are seeing what you want to see based on it.

To be clear... Are you accusing me of being biased towards Memphis?

And I'm sure "bearcatmark" is completely unbiased about the Bearcats

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No... just against Cumberland.

(01-17-2020 01:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:55 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:53 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 12:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  FWIW, Penny said Cumberland likes to “torpedo” into defenders and The Tigers could draw offensive fouls by maintaining “verticality”.

I'd agree with that statement. That's how he's been throughout his career. To his credit, it works to his advantage a lot of the time

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And you're watching something different than the announcers did. But not surprising you have your notion about Cumberland, which is clear from this post, and are seeing what you want to see based on it.

To be clear... Are you accusing me of being biased towards Memphis?

And I'm sure "bearcatmark" is completely unbiased about the Bearcats

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No... just against Cumberland.

I mean, he is what he is. His strategy works more often than not.

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Good Lord in heaven, I've never seen a bigger whiney baby than this bearcatmark along with some of these other Cincy fans complaining and crying about the refs. Face it you got beat by a better team, a team who most of the game had 4 freshman and one soph on the floor at the same time. Yes the game was ugly, but that's the way Memphis/Cincy games have been for years, going back to the Huggy days. And yes the refs were bad, but bad both ways, I'm pretty sure the refs couldn't give 2 sh!tz who won the game. I guess if we beat you at your place it's gonna be the refs fault then too. Guess the refs cost Cincy those 2 football games played last month, huh? Sheesh what a bunch of cry babies. Some of you Cincy fans need to grow a pair and just admit defeat and move on to your next game.

(01-17-2020 01:33 PM)wylioats Wrote:  Good Lord in heaven, I've never seen a bigger whiney baby than this bearcatmark along with some of these other Cincy fans complaining and crying about the refs. Face it you got beat by a better team, a team who most of the game had 4 freshman and one soph on the floor at the same time. Yes the game was ugly, but that's the way Memphis/Cincy games have been for years, going back to the Huggy days. And yes the refs were bad, but bad both ways, I'm pretty sure the refs couldn't give 2 sh!tz who won the game. I guess if we beat you at your place it's gonna be the refs fault then too. Guess the refs cost Cincy those 2 football games played last month, huh? Sheesh what a bunch of cry babies. Some of you Cincy fans need to grow a pair and just admit defeat and move on to your next game.

(01-17-2020 12:33 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bearcats went into conference play with one of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country, which made sense because they are relentless about attacking the rim (it's the only area their offense has been really good at scoring from). It's been incredible watching them suddenly become one of the worst teams at drawing fouls during conference play. They're still attack just getting absolutely no calls around the rim. You have to think that turns around at some point.

From what I saw last night, they are trying harder to draw a foul than actually make a shot. That could start to sway refs over time.

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There are always a lot of things that go into winning and losing games, but the statistics do bear out why some of the fanbase is frustrated with the lack of calls in conference this year.

UC's free throw rate (FTA/FGA) is 23.8, dead last in the conference by a wide margin. SMU is second to last at 28.0, but they shoot 3s (3PA/FGA) at the highest rate in the conference by far at 47.1% of their takes. UC shoots 3s at the second lowest rate in the conference at 32.8%.

One stat never tells the whole story, but UC does appear to have gotten a bit of an unfriendly whistle so far in conference based on the numbers.

Perhaps your explanation is the reason behind it, but I can't find another plausible one as it certainly isn't as if UC is undersized or taking lots of mid range shots.