From Brian Mast, a veteran, congressman, and double amputee from the House floor earlier:

"Make no mistake [] [Solemani] was a terrorist, no different than al-Baghdadi, Zarquari, Osama Bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. No different than ISIS or al Qaeda. And he was responsible for the deaths of our men and women."

"They see that he has killed hundreds of our service members, but they still cannot find the justification to kill him"

Kind of a mic drop statement for me.

Edited to add: apparently a double amputee courtesy of the munitions the dirtbag spread about, nonetheless.

(01-12-2020 12:40 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Look I recognize that lad is scared (or parroting) the 'ooohhhhh they could escalate, and maybe it wasnt such a good thing'. There is a part there that acknowledges that in their mind it is more beneficial for a dirtbag responsible for killing multiple hundreds of US servicemen keep doing so, and they cannot even articulate that within their schema there is some support for him continuing to do so.

As usual, you cut to the chase very effectively. The correct response to the, "OMG, Iran might escalate," is, "So what, they're already at an unacceptable level, and have been for 40 years. It's time to respond."

I think it illuminates the difference between the two sides. Most Democrats want to appease, fearful of conflict. Others of us want somebody to stand up to our enemies.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/general-dav...he-nation/

"So this is bigger than bin Laden. It's bigger than Baghdadi.

example of fake news

I wonder who benefitted from this misreporting?

Shot: Trump tweets in Farsi support for the Iranian demonstrators.

Chaser: Trump's tweet, according to Twitter, has engendered the largest number of likes for *any* tweet in Farsi

Kicker: Tweets by Democrat presidential candidates supporting Iranian protesters:

Joe Biden: ZERO

Elizabeth Warren: ZERO

Bernie Sanders: ZERO

Tulsi Gabbard: ZERO

Mike Bloomberg: ZERO

Amy Klobuchar: ZERO

Cory Booker: ZERO

Pete Buttigieg: ZERO

Kicker 2: Zero Democrats have supported a resolution, drafted on the model of the resolution that commended the killing of bin Laden, that notes the killing of the dirtbag. Zero.

In summation, Trump had a dirtbag killed that was responsible for the killing of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of US military personnel.

Every Democrat or progressive screams nonstop he is an unhinged monster starting WWIII, or in the alternative goes out of their way to not support the removal of the dirtbag from the playing field.

Zero Democrats have supported a resolution commending the removal of the dirtbag.

Iranian people, at the risk of arrest or more, are celebrating, protesting the regime; every Democrat is utterly silent.

(01-12-2020 11:09 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/general-dav...he-nation/

"So this is bigger than bin Laden. It's bigger than Baghdadi.

Also: The United States had "lost the element of deterrence" prior to the dirtbag strike.

(01-09-2020 02:56 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 02:51 PM)Foff Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 12:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What has changed is that we have made it known that if you mess with us, we will hit you back, and make it hurt.

except if you hit our base with MISSILES 2 days after we promise "should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner."
then we sit back and take it.

good thing you cant trust a WORD out of donnys mouth, or we'd be in another WAR. well,,, unless he meant DISPROPORTIONATELY WEAK.

Save the above, should you ever need a perfect and textbook illustration of the meaning of the phrase "Damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't."

Yep thats what comes from backing youself into a CORNER with your BIG MOUTH

(01-12-2020 11:22 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Shot: Trump tweets in Farsi support for the Iranian demonstrators.

Chaser: Trump's tweet, according to Twitter, has engendered the largest number of likes for *any* tweet in Farsi

Kicker: Tweets by Democrat presidential candidates supporting Iranian protesters:

Joe Biden: ZERO

Elizabeth Warren: ZERO

Bernie Sanders: ZERO

Tulsi Gabbard: ZERO

Mike Bloomberg: ZERO

Amy Klobuchar: ZERO

Cory Booker: ZERO

Pete Buttigieg: ZERO

Kicker 2: Zero Democrats have supported a resolution, drafted on the model of the resolution that commended the killing of bin Laden, that notes the killing of the dirtbag. Zero.

In summation, Trump had a dirtbag killed that was responsible for the killing of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of US military personnel.

Every Democrat or progressive screams nonstop he is an unhinged monster starting WWIII, or in the alternative goes out of their way to not support the removal of the dirtbag from the playing field.

Zero Democrats have supported a resolution commending the removal of the dirtbag.

Iranian people, at the risk of arrest or more, are celebrating, protesting the regime; every Democrat is utterly silent.

I think too many Democrats are only interested in opposing Trump on every front, at any cost, without much thought as to who that opposition helps or hurts.

(01-12-2020 11:32 AM)Foff Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 02:56 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 02:51 PM)Foff Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 12:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What has changed is that we have made it known that if you mess with us, we will hit you back, and make it hurt.

except if you hit our base with MISSILES 2 days after we promise "should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner."
then we sit back and take it.

good thing you cant trust a WORD out of donnys mouth, or we'd be in another WAR. well,,, unless he meant DISPROPORTIONATELY WEAK.

Save the above, should you ever need a perfect and textbook illustration of the meaning of the phrase "Damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't."

Yep thats what comes from backing youself into a CORNER with your BIG MOUTH

I take it you are maddy poo that the orange hair didnt strike back after the Iranians blew up some dirt. Considering the Iranians had the courtesy to give the US 2-3 hours notice of the strike, zero US loss of life, I find the not striking back fairly even headed.

Bummer for you.

(01-12-2020 11:22 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Shot: Trump tweets in Farsi support for the Iranian demonstrators.

Chaser: Trump's tweet, according to Twitter, has engendered the largest number of likes for *any* tweet in Farsi

Kicker: Tweets by Democrat presidential candidates supporting Iranian protesters:

Joe Biden: ZERO

Elizabeth Warren: ZERO

Bernie Sanders: ZERO

Tulsi Gabbard: ZERO

Mike Bloomberg: ZERO

Amy Klobuchar: ZERO

Cory Booker: ZERO

Pete Buttigieg: ZERO

Kicker 2: Zero Democrats have supported a resolution, drafted on the model of the resolution that commended the killing of bin Laden, that notes the killing of the dirtbag. Zero.

In summation, Trump had a dirtbag killed that was responsible for the killing of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of US military personnel.

Every Democrat or progressive screams nonstop he is an unhinged monster starting WWIII, or in the alternative goes out of their way to not support the removal of the dirtbag from the playing field.

Zero Democrats have supported a resolution commending the removal of the dirtbag.

Iranian people, at the risk of arrest or more, are celebrating, protesting the regime; every Democrat is utterly silent.

Cant believe weve come to a place where half ourcountry thinks TWITTER is what makes you PRESIDENTIAL.

"Remember kids if you didnt TWEET it you're not doing your job!"

Dumbing of America is complete.

(01-12-2020 11:44 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 11:32 AM)Foff Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 02:56 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 02:51 PM)Foff Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 12:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What has changed is that we have made it known that if you mess with us, we will hit you back, and make it hurt.

except if you hit our base with MISSILES 2 days after we promise "should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner."
then we sit back and take it.

good thing you cant trust a WORD out of donnys mouth, or we'd be in another WAR. well,,, unless he meant DISPROPORTIONATELY WEAK.

Save the above, should you ever need a perfect and textbook illustration of the meaning of the phrase "Damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't."

Yep thats what comes from backing youself into a CORNER with your BIG MOUTH

I take it you are maddy poo that the orange hair didnt strike back after the Iranians blew up some dirt. Considering the Iranians had the courtesy to give the US 2-3 hours notice of the strike, zero US loss of life, I find the not striking back fairly even headed.

Bummer for you.

can't read!

thank God donny was full of crap like always.. LAST thing we need is another WAR!!

(01-12-2020 11:49 AM)Foff Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 11:44 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 11:32 AM)Foff Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 02:56 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 02:51 PM)Foff Wrote:  except if you hit our base with MISSILES 2 days after we promise "should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner."
then we sit back and take it.

good thing you cant trust a WORD out of donnys mouth, or we'd be in another WAR. well,,, unless he meant DISPROPORTIONATELY WEAK.

Save the above, should you ever need a perfect and textbook illustration of the meaning of the phrase "Damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't."

Yep thats what comes from backing youself into a CORNER with your BIG MOUTH

I take it you are maddy poo that the orange hair didnt strike back after the Iranians blew up some dirt. Considering the Iranians had the courtesy to give the US 2-3 hours notice of the strike, zero US loss of life, I find the not striking back fairly even headed.

Bummer for you.

can't read!

thank God donny was full of crap like always.. LAST thing we need is another WAR!!

If it was “like always”, then why worry? I guess we would have just added this imaginary war to the imaginary war with North Korea you guys were exulting over three years ago.


Yes indeed, Foff is the very embodiment of damned if you do, damned if you don’t. He doesn’t care who he helps as long as he can oppose Trump.

(01-09-2020 02:51 PM)Foff Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 12:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What has changed is that we have made it known that if you mess with us, we will hit you back, and make it hurt.

except if you hit our base with MISSILES 2 days after we promise "should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner."
then we sit back and take it.
good thing you cant trust a WORD out of donnys mouth, or we'd be in another WAR. well,,, unless he meant DISPROPORTIONATELY WEAK.

Except those missiles went into an unoccupied area and no Americans were hit or harmed, suggesting that Iran simply had to show some sort of something for domestic consumption. There is even a (very believable) story that Iran contacted us and said, "We need to do something for show, so get all of your people out of that area and we will fire some rockets into it." The average American has little or no understanding of how things are done on that stage.

(01-12-2020 11:46 AM)Foff Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 11:22 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Shot: Trump tweets in Farsi support for the Iranian demonstrators.

Chaser: Trump's tweet, according to Twitter, has engendered the largest number of likes for *any* tweet in Farsi

Kicker: Tweets by Democrat presidential candidates supporting Iranian protesters:

Joe Biden: ZERO

Elizabeth Warren: ZERO

Bernie Sanders: ZERO

Tulsi Gabbard: ZERO

Mike Bloomberg: ZERO

Amy Klobuchar: ZERO

Cory Booker: ZERO

Pete Buttigieg: ZERO

Kicker 2: Zero Democrats have supported a resolution, drafted on the model of the resolution that commended the killing of bin Laden, that notes the killing of the dirtbag. Zero.

In summation, Trump had a dirtbag killed that was responsible for the killing of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of US military personnel.

Every Democrat or progressive screams nonstop he is an unhinged monster starting WWIII, or in the alternative goes out of their way to not support the removal of the dirtbag from the playing field.

Zero Democrats have supported a resolution commending the removal of the dirtbag.

Iranian people, at the risk of arrest or more, are celebrating, protesting the regime; every Democrat is utterly silent.

Cant believe weve come to a place where half ourcountry thinks TWITTER is what makes you PRESIDENTIAL.

"Remember kids if you didnt TWEET it you're not doing your job!"

Dumbing of America is complete.

How perfectly ironic.

(01-12-2020 11:18 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  example of fake news

I wonder who benefitted from this misreporting?

Pretty low bar for fake news - from the video that was linked:

Quote: This bit I'm not sure about, but Iran state media is claiming that 30 U.S. soldiers have been killed in this attack,” Arouzi added. "Now this is not confirmed; this is just coming from the Iranian media."

The reporter not only ID'd the source of that claim, which is obviously going to be biased, but also added an editorial that basically said, this number could be bull****.

Fake news would have been an MSNBC news anchor not indicating the source and saying that it was confirmed, without any indication that the information could be false.

(01-12-2020 11:09 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/general-dav...he-nation/

"So this is bigger than bin Laden. It's bigger than Baghdadi.

I found this bit at the end interesting, given a lot of the conversations recently:

Quote:Petraeus said the "real question" for the U.S. is whether there is a diplomatic initiative.

"It's not quite enough, I don't think, to say, well, they know how to reach us. I think we should actually be trying to reach out through intermediaries first, of course, as we have in the past, and then trying to come to some kind of agreement about how to get back to the nuclear deal that was had its strengths, as well as some shortcomings, to be sure, and then address the other legitimate grievances and issues that we have about militia activity, support and the missile program," he said.

(01-11-2020 09:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 08:08 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 04:14 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  The decision by Trump to strike Soleimani then directly led to Iran shooting down a plane full of innocent people, because Iran went into a defensive posture.

I've not paid a lot of attention to this discussion, but this comment really very clearly demonstrates 'orange man bad' is the only stance you know.

Regardless of Iran's posture, they control their airspace, their flights and their missiles.

If the US had shot down a domestic airliner minutes we had let take off from our airport after 9/11, I am 100% confident that you wouldn't be blaming Bin Laden.

More specifically, I'm also 100% convinced that if the Texas church hero had accidentally shot a parishioner in addition to the murderer, you would be using that as 'proof' that we need more gun control. That's specifically your argument against GGG's.

My real issue with you is that you have some legitimate arguments... but you're so partisan that you can't make them.

Right back at you regarding partisanship.

I am not blaming Trump for the downing of that plane. But do you think Iran would have shot it down if the Soleimani strike hadn’t occurred?

and do you think the Soleimani strike would have occurred if not for the embassy attack? You may as well be arguing about the Arabs and Jews in terms of 'who started it'.

Note that the Iranians attacked US forces... If they're going to be on high alert as you describe, they should have grounded domestic airliners. That's not rocket science nor is it partisan.... It's simply making people who make stupid decisions responsible for the consequences of them

As far as being partisan, please show me one time on here where I did anything except show the fallacy of your contentions.... including here...

You see anything that doesn't condemn Trump as being partisan in support of him. I didn't say one word about whether Trump was right to respond the way he did.... but again, had there been a 'friendly fire' incident on our side, it would be OUR responsibility and not the Iranians.

I gave two examples where you would have reached a different conclusion, and you didn't respond because you know I'm right... You can't do the same to/about me

(01-12-2020 11:57 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If it was “like always”, then why worry? I guess we would have just added this imaginary war to the imaginary war with North Korea you guys were exulting over three years ago.


Yes indeed, Foff is the very embodiment of damned if you do, damned if you don’t. He doesn’t care who he helps as long as he can oppose Trump.

was just like i hoped. post #10258

but how are you not pissed that donny makes that threats are just HOT AIR,,, I dont like America the LAUGHINGSTOCK, do you?

but good thing we has full of it. Better LAUGHED at than SHOT at.

(01-12-2020 12:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 02:51 PM)Foff Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 12:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What has changed is that we have made it known that if you mess with us, we will hit you back, and make it hurt.

except if you hit our base with MISSILES 2 days after we promise "should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner."
then we sit back and take it.
good thing you cant trust a WORD out of donnys mouth, or we'd be in another WAR. well,,, unless he meant DISPROPORTIONATELY WEAK.

Except those missiles went into an unoccupied area and no Americans were hit or harmed, suggesting that Iran simply had to show some sort of something for domestic consumption. There is even a (very believable) story that Iran contacted us and said, "We need to do something for show, so get all of your people out of that area and we will fire some rockets into it." The average American has little or no understanding of how things are done on that stage.

american base isn't a U.S. target? or maybe you cant read.

and UNOCCUPIED is not the same as EVACUATED, smart guy.