A dynasty is the Steelers winning 4 of 6 Super Bowls in the 70’s, Patriots going to the Super Bowl 9 times from 2001-2018 (winning 6 of them), and NDSU winning 7 of the last 8 championships. That’s not an exhaustive list of course but it’s just to show what the threshold is.

JMU has been very good since 2016, but we’re not a dynasty yet. A dynasty wins championships at a high rate. Let’s get that going!

(12-23-2019 02:19 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 01:29 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 01:14 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Ya’ll have been the 2nd best FCS program for more than a decade. My top-3:

1. NDSU
2. JMU
3. Eastern

If that kind of sustained success isn’t a dynasty, I don’t know what is. Championships only tell part of the story.

We are a CAA dynasty already for sure and an FCS powerhouse. We're not in the discussion as an FCS dynasty until we win on Jan 11. Similarly, Clemson and Alabama are FBS dynasties, while Ohio State is just a B1G dynasty. Making it to, and winning multiple championships in a short period of time is what makes a dynasty. Winning a lot of regular season games does not.

I've never heard of the Buffalo Bills dynasty in spite of 4 straight SB appearances and being by and large the best team of the early 90s. If they won 2 of those SB there would be no doubt that they would be in the discussion with the 49ers and Cowboys for dynasties of that era. Even 1 win they would have had some discussion, but not with an 0 fer.

Even with a win we are NOT a dynasty. That word gets thrown around too much. 2 titles in 4 years is incredible, but that doesn't mean we are a dynasty. We didn't even win the CAA title last season. We don't get to overlook last season and getting to the championship game in 2017 doesn't put us as a dynasty either. It has to be done for a long period of time.
NDSU IS a dynasty... like it or not. They won a bunch of titles and we dethroned them for a year. They came back and won the next two. That's consistency.
Calling us a dynasty is foolish. We've had a really good run right now. The way I see it we need to win another handful to even fit the definition of a dynasty.
The closest we are to a dynasty is CAA champions (4 out of last 5 years).

Yep. JMU football not a dynasty, and even with a win on 1/11 still not a dynasty, but would be 'close' with 2 titles over 4 years.

IMHOP to be a dynasty need to win back to back, OR 50% of the titles in an at least 5 year period (ie 3 titles in 5-6 years, or 4 titles in 7-8 years). You could argue making a boatload of title games but only winning 2 (Marshall).

I would say we've seen 4 dynasties at the I-AA/FCS level, maybe 5:
-GSU: won 4 NC in 6 seasons 85', 86', 89', 90'.

-YSU 4 NC in 7 seasons 91'-97'.
91' won NC/beat Marshall
92' lost NC to Marshall
93' won NC/beat Marshall
94' won NC/beat Boise St
97' won NC/beat McNeese St
(lost NC in 99')

-ASU (3 straight from 2005-2007).

-Marshall you could argue either way. 6 seasons 91'-96' 5 NC appearances, but only won 2.
91' lost NC to YSU
92' won NC/beat YSU
93' lost NC to YSU
94' lost semis (beat JMU OT quarter finals)
95' most NC to Montana
96' won NC/beat Montana. 15-0, no game closer than 2 TDs, loaded with NFL talent (Chad Pennington, Randy Moss, John Wade, Chris Hanson, Eric Kresser, Doug Chapman, + others).

-NDSU- the greatest dynasty of the 5.

My opinion but the Dynasty word is pretty silly unless your talking playing the best competition. Steelers, Patriots, Ohio, Alabama, Duke can use the word dynasty because they are/were doing it against the best. Big fish in little ponds beating up on the small fish isn't a dynasty. If William & Mary would be playing in the ODAC with a 100 & 10 record, 10 championships, I don't see that being dynasty. At what point does having a dynasty program become more about just "playing down". NDSU has lost what, around 10 games in the past 10 years, To me that isn't a dynasty, that's playing competition you shouldn't be playing.

(12-23-2019 06:33 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  My opinion but the Dynasty word is pretty silly unless your talking playing the best competition. Steelers, Patriots, Ohio, Alabama, Duke can use the word dynasty because they are/were doing it against the best. Big fish in little ponds beating up on the small fish isn't a dynasty. If William & Mary would be playing in the ODAC with a 100 & 10 record, 10 championships, I don't see that being dynasty. At what point does having a dynasty program become more about just "playing down". NDSU has lost what, around 10 games in the past 10 years, To me that isn't a dynasty, that's playing competition you shouldn't be playing.

19 seasons 2000-2018: Mount Union made 17 NC appearances, won 9 (they have 13 NCs overall). Something like 266-12, with half of those losses to Wis Whitewater..55 and 54 game winning streaks. Mind boggling 117 game regular season winning streak. Is Mount Union not a dynasty?

2005-2014, 9 of 10 seasons Wisconsin Whitewater vs Mt Union in the Stagg Bowl. Wis Whitewater won 6. 137-8 in that period, with a 45 game winning streak. Were they not a dynasty?

In for Dukes Dynasty

Thanks for making the Mount Union reference BDK. That’s where I went immediately thinking about dynasties.

(12-23-2019 02:01 PM)Bison01 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 01:14 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Ya’ll have been the 2nd best FCS program for more than a decade. My top-3:

1. NDSU
2. JMU
3. Eastern

If that kind of sustained success isn’t a dynasty, I don’t know what is. Championships only tell part of the story.

If you consider the most recent few years JMU would be a clear 2nd, but if you go from around 2010, I don’t think it’s quite as clear. This has been talked about in some depth elsewhere and I believe EWU and possibly even Sammy have better postseason resumes than JMU /shrug.

Have EWU or SHSU been to 3 title games this decade? Has SHSU won a title?

You can’t possibly be serious.

Yep, it was big news in my circle of friends when Mt. Union was ousted early in the playoffs this year.

My stepson has two Championship rings from Mount Union. He played with Taylor Reynolds at Newark HS (Delaware). they are definitely a dynasty.

One thing to keep in mind though about those pro dynasties is getting the core and keeping it intact for quite a few years grown men with a much lower learning curve, peaks and valleys. A bunch of College kids that are fresh out of the high school prom and then growing into themselves the next few years and moving one group out and one group in every year and hoping you timed it right by position group is not easy IMO. That is why I consider Mount Union and NDSU definite dynasties, but JMU just not there yet but certainly on the right track.

(12-24-2019 09:59 AM)PurpleSoloCup84 Wrote:  Yep, it was big news in my circle of friends when Mt. Union was ousted early in the playoffs this year.

It was a total shocker to me to see them not in the finals. It’s just one of them things you count on every year, death, taxes and Mount Union versus Wisconsin Whitewater in the finals. What’s impressive about Mt. Union is that they have produced NFL players (Pierre Garçon, Cecil Shorts etc..) at a D3 school in the middle of nowhere Ohio.

Shout out to this JMU Dynasty making it to the Chip for the fourth time and dominating the CAA once again for another conference title. There are 125 FCS teams and how many can make the claims we make every yr. time for our Dynasty to go 3/4 in title games !

(12-23-2019 02:38 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  We are in the throws of being a dynasty. There isn't another program in FCS other than NDSU who doesn't want to have and be what JMU is.

3 Natty appearances in 4 years is pretty darned good. We are one of the top 3 or 4 programs in FCS.

I'll take it and hope to be even more dominant. After 1/11/20 we will have beaten NDSU 2 out of 3.

(12-24-2019 05:59 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Shout out to this JMU Dynasty making it to the Chip for the fourth time and dominating the CAA once again for another conference title. There are 125 FCS teams and how many can make the claims we make every yr. time for our Dynasty to go 3/4 in title games !

Bro with all due respect this isn't even close to a dynasty and saying it is just makes us look silly and small time.

(12-25-2019 09:18 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 02:38 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  We are in the throws of being a dynasty. There isn't another program in FCS other than NDSU who doesn't want to have and be what JMU is.

3 Natty appearances in 4 years is pretty darned good. We are one of the top 3 or 4 programs in FCS.

I'll take it and hope to be even more dominant. After 1/11/20 we will have beaten NDSU 2 out of 3.

(12-24-2019 05:59 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Shout out to this JMU Dynasty making it to the Chip for the fourth time and dominating the CAA once again for another conference title. There are 125 FCS teams and how many can make the claims we make every yr. time for our Dynasty to go 3/4 in title games !

Bro with all due respect this isn't even close to a dynasty and saying it is just makes us look silly and small time.

Agree 1000%

The reason JMU is in a different league, JMU is a FBS program in every way except number of scholarships and 99 percent of the competition is fcs.

We play the 1 percentent in a few weeks. NDSU is on an island with no fbs program in the state or entire section of the country.

I’m glad Dirty and I are on the same page. Dynasties require titles. Full stop.

(12-25-2019 09:18 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 02:38 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  We are in the throws of being a dynasty. There isn't another program in FCS other than NDSU who doesn't want to have and be what JMU is.

3 Natty appearances in 4 years is pretty darned good. We are one of the top 3 or 4 programs in FCS.

I'll take it and hope to be even more dominant. After 1/11/20 we will have beaten NDSU 2 out of 3.

(12-24-2019 05:59 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Shout out to this JMU Dynasty making it to the Chip for the fourth time and dominating the CAA once again for another conference title. There are 125 FCS teams and how many can make the claims we make every yr. time for our Dynasty to go 3/4 in title games !

Bro with all due respect this isn't even close to a dynasty and saying it is just makes us look silly and small time.

With all due respect , dominating the CAA is a task within itself. I'm pretty sure the other teams in the CAA call us a dynasty. Second , we have dominated one side of the playoff bracket 4 times in the last 15 years. Having played in the playoffs , these feats are extremely difficult, and for us to continually be in this situation multiple times proves we are a dynasty. This just shows how some of our fan base expectations have been spoiled by these riches and want more.

Minimum of 3 consecutive titles or 3 in 4 years. That’s my definition of a dynasty.

(12-26-2019 07:59 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-25-2019 09:18 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 02:38 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  We are in the throws of being a dynasty. There isn't another program in FCS other than NDSU who doesn't want to have and be what JMU is.

3 Natty appearances in 4 years is pretty darned good. We are one of the top 3 or 4 programs in FCS.

I'll take it and hope to be even more dominant. After 1/11/20 we will have beaten NDSU 2 out of 3.

(12-24-2019 05:59 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Shout out to this JMU Dynasty making it to the Chip for the fourth time and dominating the CAA once again for another conference title. There are 125 FCS teams and how many can make the claims we make every yr. time for our Dynasty to go 3/4 in title games !

Bro with all due respect this isn't even close to a dynasty and saying it is just makes us look silly and small time.

With all due respect , dominating the CAA is a task within itself. I'm pretty sure the other teams in the CAA call us a dynasty. Second , we have dominated one side of the playoff bracket 4 times in the last 15 years. Having played in the playoffs , these feats are extremely difficult, and for us to continually be in this situation multiple times proves we are a dynasty. This just shows how some of our fan base expectations have been spoiled by these riches and want more.

Call us whatever you want, but you'd be wrong if you think other teams are calling us a dynasty. Going to other message boards I know that they don't call us that, and there are times they laugh at the idea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasty_(sports)

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